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Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



Unfortunately, like 90% of everyone involved in the insurance business.

loving fax machines.

Edit: Actually, this just reminded me that at my old job (in a local TV station's airtime sales office), we would get monthly 20 page faxes from some complete loon about the socialist menace of Obama and Nancy Pelosi, complete with news articles all marked up with circled phrases and insane margin-scribbling.

Hulk Krogan fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Oct 9, 2013

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Propaganda Hour
Aug 25, 2008



after editing wikipedia as a joke for 16 years, i ve convinced myself that homer simpson's japanese name translates to the "The beer goblin"

ArchangeI posted:

What kind of third world operation still uses fax machines?

Up until Steam Greenlight was debuted Valve was using a fax machine to authenticate indie game submissions to their store. Like, in 2013 this was happening.

ProperGanderPusher
Jan 13, 2012




I've still met a fair number of people, mostly over fifty, who still refuse to use cell phones unless forced to because they still see them as toys for rich people like they were back in the 90s. When they see poor people with them, it makes sense they would be flustered over it. And yes, all these people haven't been job hunting in at least twenty years or are retired.

Hulk Krogan posted:

Unfortunately, like 90% of everyone involved in the insurance business.

loving fax machines.

Edit: Actually, this just reminded me that at my old job (in a local TV station's airtime sales office), we would get monthly 20 page faxes from some complete loon about the socialist menace of Obama and Nancy Pelosi, complete with news articles all marked up with circled phrases and insane margin-scribbling.

My old college was insistent on faxing official transcripts until recently (as far as I know, they still are). Also, the VA insists on faxes a lot.

ProperGanderPusher fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Oct 9, 2013

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002
I'm getting some really good mental gymnastics out of this

quote:

So would you support a progressive caucus underdog fight to support their constituents wishes by shutting down the government until they get single payer reinstated? Also, they have a deeply held belief and certain research that holds single payer winds up saving money and they really really believe it's what America wants.

Prefaced with the fact I'd be against them using this procedure even though I'm 100% for single payer.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

The Macaroni posted:

My brother-in-law recently had to fax an HR document to someone so he could start a new job. He has no car, no landline, and astoundingly, no fax machine. I'm incredibly grateful that he has a smartphone--which he first got while unemployed--because he was able to have someone email him the form, forward it to me, and I was able to complete and fax it for him. He literally would not have been able to start his job without that technology at his disposal.

But yeah, gently caress those blacks poors, if they'd just bootstrap and use a payphone like we did in the old days, they'd get off the government teat.

What about a kinko's? they have fax machines available.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




BraveUlysses posted:

What about a kinko's? they have fax machines available.

Two bucks a page.

Prism
Dec 22, 2007

yospos

BraveUlysses posted:

What about a kinko's? they have fax machines available.

They charge a ton.

It used to be that you could fax things at postal outlets in Canada. The workers despised doing it because the fax machine was so old and needed to be babysat so you couldn't really do any other work, and occasionally the people who demanded people fax things to them threw things away because it was coming from a public fax machine and 'probably junk mail', which we got bitched at for.

We don't have a fax machine anymore.

Nyarai
Jul 19, 2012

Jenn here.
I worked in a psychologists' office, and they faxed records all the time for confidentiality reasons.

Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT
My old job had a fax machine at the store for intra-company news and between-store transfers. We also had our own email and internet system, but who wants to use that to get company news and documents?

Half the time the machine wouldn't connect properly, or the toner was empty and it'd cost a lot of money to get a new one. Oh and usually every few weeks we'd get spam faxed to us. It was figuratively the worst thing ever to exist.

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate
I am in import/export and I send and receive faxes all the time domestically and internationally. It feels so archaic.

JakBauer
Nov 13, 2003

BAH BAH BAH

Propaganda Hour posted:

A friend of mine posted a facebook link titled "Bill is a loving Jackass" with a picture of Barack Obama's signature and I thought to myself, "drat, I guess I'll have to cull more people after all." I open it and


It's not the best allegory, but you know what? It'll do. :unsmith:

I posted this on my FB wall, and one person actually wrote:

quote:

I personally think soda, diet or regular, is pure garbage, as consuming it is linked to major health issues but if the majority ruled in favor of it, he needs to just not look at it or purchase it....period......

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
Faxes are going nowhere any time soon. It's a pain in the rear end, but the free market and big business have both decided that faxes are still relevant.

Are you trying to argue that the free market and big business is wrong? Are you un-American or something?

Phantom Limb
Jun 30, 2005

blargh
All of Japan still runs on fax machines too, it's kind of ridiculous.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.
We just got our Japanese office to agree to stop using the fax machine.

Now, we just send our faxes as PDFs (where in Japan, they get printed out and distributed). Japan loves paper (and hates trees).

CarterUSM
Mar 17, 2004
Cornfield aviator
To hell with faxes, it ain't The News unless there's the chattering of a teletype going on in the background. :colbert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwIhZwmHe2w

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

The Macaroni posted:

My brother-in-law recently had to fax an HR document to someone so he could start a new job. He has no car, no landline, and astoundingly, no fax machine. I'm incredibly grateful that he has a smartphone--which he first got while unemployed--because he was able to have someone email him the form, forward it to me, and I was able to complete and fax it for him. He literally would not have been able to start his job without that technology at his disposal.

But yeah, gently caress those blacks poors, if they'd just bootstrap and use a payphone like we did in the old days, they'd get off the government teat.

About four years ago when I got out of the Navy I was trying to get a job with the FAA. It cost me about 50 bucks to fax my application in with all the required paperwork. I had tried to do it through the unemployment office. I walked about 8 miles to get there, spent two hours waiting for the fax machine and then found out that the phone line it was connected into wasn't working. Every single unemployed person who had used a fax machine that day (and maybe previous days) had wasted their time and they probably didn't even know.

Dirt
May 26, 2003



:psyduck:

Been stuck in the longest discussion on FB ever today. Started with Obama's fake student ID, moved to Obama being Hitler(this guy physically threatened me, ha), then the destruction of basic political discourse, then to Obamacare(I actually pointed out to a guy how it will help him, and now he's not mad about it...I'm shocked), and now some other clown pops in 80 comments later with the above gem.

I give up.

Dirt fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Oct 9, 2013

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Got a crazy spam fax from your family? Post them here.

Laranzu posted:

I'm getting some really good mental gymnastics out of this


Prefaced with the fact I'd be against them using this procedure even though I'm 100% for single payer.

It's kind of like the "Well you know what else used to be the law? SLAVERY!!!" thing where it completely misses the point that the Republicans are holding the country hostage, without taking the extra mental step that they're doing it over (marginally) more affordable healthcare.

Or I guess you could go right ahead and agree with them that yes, granting that holding up the budget is a legit political tactic, it would in fact be a good thing to use it to implement single-payer/UHC, especially given that a slim majority of Americans actually support it and the only reason that it failed was Democrats also being beholden to moneyed interests. But eh, most people I've had that sort of discussion with cannot see past "liberals = bad" and are downright incredulous at the implication that the Democratic Party is center-right.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
The woman who cut my hair insisted that the Overton Window has actually moved to the left. She also talked about being an independent and how people who are old and are Democrats are called "naive". Did you know that the US has a guaranteed minimum income? It's called the minimum wage, duh.

nyquil hangover
Jun 27, 2013

sick but sociable
Most people I've met who describe themselves as "independents" tend to vote straight Republican.

"I think for myself! I vote based on the person, not the party!" *votes against any tax increase and doesn't research any candidates*

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

Propaganda Hour posted:

A friend of mine posted a facebook link titled "Bill is a loving Jackass" with a picture of Barack Obama's signature and I thought to myself, "drat, I guess I'll have to cull more people after all." I open it and


It's not the best allegory, but you know what? It'll do. :unsmith:

I like this. WHY WON'T THE DEMOCRATS NEGOTIATE is a pretty lovely stance, yet many people have it.

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
We get these in France, too. A coworker just sent me this today, i'll translate it for the non-french speakers and keep the format identical



> > François Hollande has chosen the new logo for the socialist party ...
> The condom !


> > Basically, the condom
> - Tolerates a rapid inflation
> - Lubricates social relations
> - Empties the stock markets (doesn't translate well)
> - Stops production
> - Destroys the next generation
> - Is perfectly suited for assholes
> - Gives you a sense of security when you're being hosed !

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

nyquil hangover posted:

Most people I've met who describe themselves as "independents" tend to vote straight Republican.

"I think for myself! I vote based on the person, not the party!" *votes against any tax increase and doesn't research any candidates*

The last person to proclaim loudly that they were an independent harped on the "Congress is exempt from Obamacare!" and "Nancy Pelosi said a thing!" talking points. I didn't ask him where he heard those claims because the chances of Breitbart or The Blaze was probably 90%.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

gradenko_2000 posted:

It's kind of like the "Well you know what else used to be the law? SLAVERY!!!" thing where it completely misses the point that the Republicans are holding the country hostage, without taking the extra mental step that they're doing it over (marginally) more affordable healthcare.

Ironically slavery never was 'the law', its just that there was no law saying you COULDN'T own slaves. A lot of these laws rode on the commonly accepted practice of slavery/indentured servitude until the 13th Amendment specifically banned such practice. So any argument which asserts slavery was legally permissible is techincally false, nobody ever voted and said "Yes slavery, we must pass a law allowing this."

Although, there is one place in American history where slavery was the law...

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
...it does nothing.

BraveUlysses posted:

What about a kinko's? they have fax machines available.
Closest Kinko's/office-type store is 5 miles on foot from my brother-in-law. He could conceivably walk to the train station and go into the city to find one there, which 1) puts him out $10 for the round trip and 2) $2 per fax page, as others have pointed out.

The employer in question is a public school district. Of course they're still using fax machines! :cry:

losonti tokash
Oct 29, 2007

I'm so pretty, oh so pretty.

Nyarai posted:

I worked in a psychologists' office, and they faxed records all the time for confidentiality reasons.

Haha, that's awesome. My state's Medicaid can't accept faxes because it's a HIPAA violation.

V-Men
Aug 15, 2001

Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.

ArchangeI posted:

What kind of third world operation still uses fax machines?

U.S. Department of Defense

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

ArchangeI posted:

What kind of third world operation still uses fax machines?

A bit late for a real answer, but most contractors still use fax machines, which makes any job that deals with them suck.

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004

A sad story about a woman who is protesting for higher wages for fast food workers talks about how sometimes she can't afford food or clothing for her children? Well gently caress that trash whore and her bastard children! Never ever read the comments :(

Farrok
May 29, 2006

Designed for teenagers to have pocket change, eh? No wonder fast food places don't open until 3pm!

Polybius91
Jun 4, 2012

Cobrastan is not a real country.
I've been lurking this thread for awhile, and like many people here, I've found myself frustrated arguing with a few libertarians. Over and over again, I find myself simultaneously amazed and horrified that they consider human wellbeing and health so irrelevant compared to their One True Goal(tm) of making economic gains (well, that, and preserving their right to say FYGM at any cost). Since other people have posted their conversations with libertarians, I thought it couldn't hurt to contribute mine:

Libertarian posted:

You know how you stop a corporation? You stop buying their products. No, really, it's that simple. You stop buying their products and buy someone else's, and they suddenly either stop what they were doing wrong or they starve. With a government, we need elections because there is no alternative. You can't pay taxes to an alternate source without leaving the country and asking for citizenship from another. There can't be competition when, for lack of better verbage, the guys in the monopoly are holding guns to everyone's heads and saying they'll be locked up if they don't purchase the good or service they provide.

The problem comes in when people claim that I have an obligation to feed and clothe someone I don't know. Now granted, Solidarity exists, even though for most it's a four-letter word. But at the same time, what does this have to do with, well, anything? I accept that they're people. But at the same time, it's wrong to steal from someone for the purpose of supporting other people who they've never met and never will.

Now, you bring up countries that have done well with socialism. However, there are countries that have done well without it. In fact, Poland went from being a backwater to have the 20th spot in the world's GDP. In fact, they were the only ones to completely weather the storm in the EU, actually not seeing a decline in their GDP. Their economics are built on the Austrian School- Neoliberalism. In other words, Classical Liberalism. In other words, Libertarianism.

My response:

Polybius91 posted:

The problem with "voting with your money" is that it puts a disproportionate amount of power in the hands of the wealthy. A single rich man can exert far more economic pressure than a very large group of impoverished people because he'll have more money than all of them combined. Hence the idea in a democracy of one person, one vote. It's not perfect and it's not free of corruption; lobbyists can pressure politicians and corporations can fund their campaigns, but there's at least one area where the richest executive and the poorest retail clerk wield the same amount of power, and that's in the voting booth.

Even if I were to concede that taxation is theft, I'd still rather be a thief than a killer. Yes, with a robust social welfare system, some people who can afford it lose money. Without it, other people will die. You're effectively trying to tell me that property rights should be considered more sacred than human lives.

About that so-called prosperity of the 1920s: How much prosperity is worth this? Or this? Or this? Or this? As far as I'm concerned, the answer is "none." There's no amount of prosperity that's worth massacres being a routine event. That sort of thing is still happening in countries with less strict business regulations, by the way.

And to be perfectly frank, I don't give a poo poo what Poland's GDP is and how it's changed. Making lots of money does not automatically make someone a good or nice guy.

I'll tell you the questions that do matter to me. How many Polish people go to bed hungry? How many of them are condemned to perpetual poverty because they can't even pay both their power and water bills every month, let alone save up for training that could get them a better job? Do they have enough hours off to meaningfully spend time with their friends and family? How many of them die from treatable diseases and injuries because they can't afford medical care? What's the average life expectancy? Are their mentally ill receiving adequate and humane care? How well is the natural environment they all depend on being preserved?

Those are the questions I ask when I want to know the wellbeing of a nation.

This was the last thing he told me. I responded to it but never got anything back:

Libertarian posted:

You say that without money, people can't oppose corporations. Well they can. I'm dirt poor. I'm taking 40,000 dollars out (10,000 a year) in loans to support my college education, and that's with working 9 to 5 during the summer. I took the extra five bucks a month to get AT&T service when I found out Verizon cooperated with the NSA. It's going to hurt, but it's possible.

Look at your own loving dates. Only two of those took place within a reasonably close period, and all under Harding. The final one took place in 1897, a little under twenty-five years away from the others. You know what we see now? Unions which are essentially in control of their industries. Teacher's Unions who can strike for higher wages when the kids they're supposed to be teaching can't read.

Your entire point is built on the central thesis that I give a poo poo about Tom, Dick, and Harry who're on welfare and taking five minimum wage part time jobs. I don't give a flying gently caress about them. And the 50% tax on my parents which is forcing me to take inordinate amounts of debt out, despite the fact that they could barely pay for my college without the tax makes me a little loving skeptical of your claims of [welfare] helping people. Solidarity doesn't mean you're responsible for every single person in society. I'm not responsable for the guy living down the street. He is a grown-rear end man. If he starves, it is not my fault. Your universal healthcare can get people killed and cost people who can barely afford it hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Regarding Poland, the percentage of the population below the poverty line in Poland is 10% compared to the US's 15%. The rest isn't the job of the government. You do not have a right to be happy. If you believe you should be able to be happy, fine, but don't call it a right, because a right is a very specific thing.

The less people hold very real guns to my head and tell me what I can and can't do, the better.

Also, this speaks for itself. When I mentioned some abuses of early 20th century laissez-faire capitalism:

Another Libertarian posted:

Why didn't people just not move into company towns?

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

Hahah, left Verizon because of the NSA...to go to AT&T. He really, uh...showed them?

Walter
Jul 3, 2003

We think they're great. In a grand, mystical, neopolitical sense, these guys have a real message in their music. They don't, however, have neat names like me and Bono.

Polybius91 posted:

And the 50% tax on my parents which is forcing me to take inordinate amounts of debt out, despite the fact that they could barely pay for my college without the tax makes me a little loving skeptical of your claims of [welfare] helping people.

50% tax, my rear end. No one in the US pays 50% tax, even at the top marginal rate.

Also, whining that the government is taxing his parents and they can barely pay for his college, and that's why he's mad, is...

:psyduck:

Hit de-friend and be done with this gently caress.

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


Anyone have that long response of using a classroom to explain socialism? This is the video that has animated Reagan explaining to Obama what socialism is. My brother in law posted that and some ann coulter yahoo news article about how horrible Obamacare is.

I need that response to hopefully shut him down (a few days ago he posted the townhall government shut down article and I responded ad he shut up about it).

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

myron cope posted:

Hahah, left Verizon because of the NSA...to go to AT&T. He really, uh...showed them?

http://money.msn.com/now/post--how-atandt-beats-the-nsa-at-its-own-game

Jesus just link him that.

Amused to Death
Aug 10, 2009

google "The Night Witches", and prepare for :stare:

quote:

Why didn't people just not move into company towns?

"Yeah Pleb, why do you live in the company town we call New York, Boston, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Cleavland, Richmond, Detroit, Oakland, Dallas, Philidephia Chicago :smug:"

mints
Aug 15, 2001

Living on past glories
State courts run on fax machines, although a few of them are switching over to electronic filing now too, the firm I work for has 6 heavy duty fax machines for sending stuff to other law offices and to fax file pleadings with state courts. We don't get hard copy incoming faxes anymore though, everything is digitized at the trunk and dumped to a computer where someone has to figure out who it's going to and forward the email.

Polybius91
Jun 4, 2012

Cobrastan is not a real country.

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

Anyone have that long response of using a classroom to explain socialism? This is the video that has animated Reagan explaining to Obama what socialism is. My brother in law posted that and some ann coulter yahoo news article about how horrible Obamacare is.

I need that response to hopefully shut him down (a few days ago he posted the townhall government shut down article and I responded ad he shut up about it).
You mean this one?

Walter posted:

50% tax, my rear end. No one in the US pays 50% tax, even at the top marginal rate.

Also, whining that the government is taxing his parents and they can barely pay for his college, and that's why he's mad, is...

:psyduck:

Hit de-friend and be done with this gently caress.
Cut off ties with him awhile back, actually :) The conversation made me realize he was equal parts clueless and sociopathic, so I pretty much just stopped contacting him.

Haha holy poo poo. I've gotta love (read: hate) how the free market gives you the all-important choice of who will gently caress you over.

Dirt
May 26, 2003

I got this tonight on facebook:



Democrats: literally tyrants


It's impossible to argue with some people, when they are tossing around poo poo like tyranny and communism like they are labels that fit their opposition.
I find my self being condescending and mocking more than actually trying to have a discussion. I think I am part of the problem, but probably not the worst part.

:sigh:

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greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
How can those people enjoy biking and running, and hanging around with their bros with cool backpacks in the middle of all that tyranny?

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