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While we're harrumphing at those Tumblin' Teens I guess there was a big blow-up on Tumblr over Gamzee punching Terezi in the face. There's one side shrieking over how he's an abusive boyfriend and another shrieking that she stabbed and kicked him several times in a vengeful fury so it's OK.
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Did they forget he's a horrible monster clown that literally raised SuperSatan?
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Oct 8, 2013 23:46
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Burkion posted:Did they forget he's a horrible monster clown that literally raised SuperSatan? He raised Calliope and there was no way for him to raise one without the other so we can't judge him harshly for that. He is just a confused alien teenager whose religion has been shattered and has been imbued with crazy rage powers my a multiversal video game so occasionally acts up. You shouldn't judge him. It's hard being a time-travelling juggalo alien. It's hard and nobody understands.
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Oct 9, 2013 00:05
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Burkion posted:Did they forget he's a horrible monster clown that literally raised SuperSatan? These are the same people who forgot that Jane explicitly said she was going to revive Karkat after killing him, and then had screaming meltdowns and made melodramatic fanart when he got stabbed. Tumblr people have the memory of a goldfish, basically.
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Oct 9, 2013 00:12
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Mazerunner posted:If anything, you'd think that Jane's reaction + going from 'undefined' to explicitly Caucasian would imply that normally she's not white. To be honest the album art on the track "Jane Dargason" is fine in my book.
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Oct 9, 2013 01:42
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Dorroile posted:These are the same people who forgot that Jane explicitly said she was going to revive Karkat after killing him, and then had screaming meltdowns and made melodramatic fanart when he got stabbed. To be fair, even this thread has the memory of a goldfish sometimes given how often we do the "I'm just not feeling this update, guys, Hussie's jumped the shark----oh wait that was merely setting up another scene right after that ended up being the actual point of that! Suddenly it makes sense." dance. ComradeCosmobot posted:To be honest the album art on the track "Jane Dargason" is fine in my book. That was neat. I also like dark-skinned Pacific Asian Jade, which was probably the first notable non-white kid headcanon I recall going around a lot.
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Oct 9, 2013 01:53
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Hussie could have saved himself a poo poo ton of grief if he had just said "Yeah, there aren't any minorities in this comic, I'm sorry for not being more inclusive but that's the way it is." Trying to please tumblr is a fool's errand.
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Oct 9, 2013 05:46
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Fister Roboto posted:Hussie could have saved himself a poo poo ton of grief if he had just said "Yeah, there aren't any minorities in this comic, I'm sorry for not being more inclusive but that's the way it is." Trying to please tumblr is a fool's errand. He'd been doing the "ethnically neutral" thing since before Tumblr got big. At least back then it was more like his approach to how you pronounce the names; it's not explicit in the comic at any point so you can fill the blanks with whatever.
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Oct 9, 2013 15:16
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Tenebrais posted:He'd been doing the "ethnically neutral" thing since before Tumblr got big. At least back then it was more like his approach to how you pronounce the names; it's not explicit in the comic at any point so you can fill the blanks with whatever. Except about the soft T in Egbertian. 
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Oct 9, 2013 15:46
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ComradeCosmobot posted:To be honest the album art on the track "Jane Dargason" is fine in my book. See, I don't really care about race but I always pictured Jane as white simply so it can be believable to her that shes "descended" from Betty Crocker. Plus her whole schtick about being a baking grandma and noir detective strikes me as very "white". But as I said it doesn't really matter beyond personal preference. Almost all of the kids strike me as white so perhaps I just have the racism. Roxy will never not be a Spanish Conquistador in my mind though.  (also, I don't want to start a race argument so it would be nice if that didn't happen please) Nephthys fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Oct 9, 2013 |
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Oct 9, 2013 16:34
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Nephthys posted:See, I don't really care about race but I always pictured Jane as white simply so it can be believable to her that shes "descended" from Betty Crocker. Plus her whole schtick about being a baking grandma and noir detective strikes me as very "white". But as I said it doesn't really matter beyond personal preference. Almost all of the kids strike me as white so perhaps I just have the racism. Spanish conquistador? What's caused that image?
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Oct 9, 2013 16:42
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Yeah, gotta ask where that came from, unless you meant Jake instead of Roxy.
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Oct 9, 2013 16:50
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No, it has to be Roxy. I've always pictured Jake as a 1980's style news anchorman. I was just thinking of the scene in Talladega Nights where they come up with absurd mental images of baby jesus like that hes a mischievous badger or a ninja, so I said the dumbest, least accurate thing I could. You guy should try it, its fun.
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Oct 9, 2013 17:09
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Nephthys posted:See, I don't really care about race but I always pictured Jane as white simply so it can be believable to her that shes "descended" from Betty Crocker. Plus her whole schtick about being a baking grandma and noir detective strikes me as very "white". But as I said it doesn't really matter beyond personal preference. Almost all of the kids strike me as white so perhaps I just have the racism. betty crocker in the homestuck universe is black, and also not a human being.
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Oct 9, 2013 17:39
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Gul Banana posted:betty crocker in the homestuck universe is black, and also not a human being. 
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Oct 9, 2013 17:51
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Gul Banana posted:betty crocker in the homestuck universe is black, and also not a human being. Yeah but noone knows that.
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Oct 9, 2013 18:24
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Condy may be the most interesting character in Homestuck to me because there's so much we don't know about her. How did she raise John? Did she have an actual disguise or was she blinging it up? She must have had some interest in Colonel Sassacre, because she went out of her way to marry the guy. Twice. I REALLY would like the story on that-does she just appreciate a nice funny gentleman? Of all the villains we have, we know very little about her. Even what we've learned from Meenah doesn't explain that much.
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Oct 9, 2013 18:55
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Tenebrais posted:He'd been doing the "ethnically neutral" thing since before Tumblr got big. At least back then it was more like his approach to how you pronounce the names; it's not explicit in the comic at any point so you can fill the blanks with whatever. It's your own fault if you don't pronounce Rose's name "ro-ZHAY." That's your bias, not mine. 
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Oct 9, 2013 19:06
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Olivia42 posted:It's your own fault if you don't pronounce Rose's name "ro-ZHAY." That's your bias, not mine. That reminds me of the time the fandom disagreed with Hussie on how to pronounce Noir. Some people were adamant that Hussie was wrong, even though it's an actual word in an actual living language that people use every day. Of course this is also true of a lot of the troll names, so I guess people will argue over everything.
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Oct 9, 2013 22:13
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Happy Yeti posted:That reminds me of the time the fandom disagreed with Hussie on how to pronounce Noir. Some people were adamant that Hussie was wrong, even though it's an actual word in an actual living language that people use every day. Of course this is also true of a lot of the troll names, so I guess people will argue over everything. Did they think it was pronounced 'noyer'? 
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Oct 9, 2013 22:28
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Rasamune posted:Did they think it was pronounced 'noyer'? To be fair, spanish speakers may see it as "no ir", which makes sense given the how the plot acts much the same way  (it doesn't go)
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Oct 9, 2013 22:31
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Rasamune posted:Did they think it was pronounced 'noyer'? Hussie's Formspring posted:how did you intent jack noir's surname to be pronounced? "nore" or "no-are"?
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Oct 9, 2013 23:06
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Wait, was "cavort" always underneath Gamzee's feet in the latest panel?
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Oct 9, 2013 23:32
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frozentreasure posted:Wait, was "cavort" always underneath Gamzee's feet in the latest panel? Yeah, I remember it.
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Oct 9, 2013 23:34
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frozentreasure posted:Wait, was "cavort" always underneath Gamzee's feet in the latest panel? Yeah, it was always there
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Oct 9, 2013 23:34
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Trolls have orange sclera and irises that start grey and eventually fill in with their blood color. Cosplay invalidated.
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Oct 9, 2013 23:46
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Snollygoster posted:While we're harrumphing at those Tumblin' Teens I guess there was a big blow-up on Tumblr over Gamzee punching Terezi in the face. There's one side shrieking over how he's an abusive boyfriend and another shrieking that she stabbed and kicked him several times in a vengeful fury so it's OK. He's literally an abusive boyfriend, though. I mean, this is canon. Is the collective fanbase memory so short that no one remembers Karkat's conversation with Terezi about him? quote:TEREZI: TH3N W3 ST4RT3D T4LK1NG SH1T W1TH 34CH OTH3R MOR3 4ND MOR3 quote:TEREZI: 1D B3 D3V4ST4T3D 1F H3 JUST If Hussie were any more blatant about it, there'd be a 72-point gif flashing EMOTIONAL ABUSIVENESS at the bottom of the chatlog.
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Oct 10, 2013 00:41
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Some people are being cautious since we don't really know if thats any more abusive than is standard in a kismesistude. Personally I jump at every chance to hate on Gamzee but you know..... tumblr. 
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Oct 10, 2013 00:51
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You could argue that his abusive behaviour was because of Aranea's control, but I doubt Tumblrites are actually thinking about that.
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Oct 10, 2013 00:52
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Nephthys posted:Some people are being cautious since we don't really know if thats any more abusive than is standard in a kismesistude. snucks fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Oct 10, 2013 |
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Oct 10, 2013 01:00
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PleasingFungus posted:He's literally an abusive boyfriend, though. I was under the impression it was a black relationship.
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Oct 10, 2013 01:37
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Lizard Wizard posted:I was under the impression it was a black relationship. Black's supposed to be rivalry, not driving your partner to attempt murder while crying. I don't think we've seen a functioning kismewhatever yet. e. Jack & Snowman, that's how its supposed to be.
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Lizard Wizard posted:I was under the impression it was a black relationship. The impression I got was that kismesis is supposed to be a rivalry between equals, not an abusive relationship with a clear power imbalance due to emotional manipulation. That's just being an rear end in a top hat.
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Oct 10, 2013 01:42
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Thundarr posted:The impression I got was that kismesis is supposed to be a rivalry between equals, not an abusive relationship with a clear power imbalance due to emotional manipulation. That's just being an rear end in a top hat. Well yeah, it went off the rails big-time but its roots are in kismesisitude. Scaly Haylie fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Oct 10, 2013 |
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Oct 10, 2013 01:42
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Seoinin posted:Black's supposed to be rivalry, not driving your partner to attempt murder while crying. I don't think we've seen a functioning kismewhatever yet. Didn't Jack shoot Snowman through the heart? And she stabbed him in the eye with a cigarette holder? Not defending what was a lovely comic relationship (oh god I just typed that), but you're not really setting a good example.
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Oct 10, 2013 02:02
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The thing with troll relationships is that it was supposed to be stupid. It always was. Hussie had to explain it to us in detail to see if we could read that block of text with a straight face, and then he took it to the extreme with leprechaun romance. Will we have to see Squiddle romance to understand that the quadrants were always a joke and not to be emulated or taken seriously?
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IUG posted:Didn't Jack shoot Snowman through the heart? And she stabbed him in the eye with a cigarette holder? Not defending what was a lovely comic relationship (oh god I just typed that), but you're not really setting a good example. Yeah but you'll notice that neither of them were in the middle of a tearful mental breakdown.
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Oct 10, 2013 02:08
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Seoinin posted:I don't think we've seen a functioning kismewhatever yet. The fanfiction authors would have you believe it just means a BDSM relationship. No, I'm not gonna defend myself for knowing that; I pretty much deserve that look on your face right now. IUG posted:Didn't Jack shoot Snowman through the heart? And she stabbed him in the eye with a cigarette holder? Not defending what was a lovely comic relationship (oh god I just typed that), but you're not really setting a good example. True, however it was Hussie himself who said: Hussie posted:For instance, human players would never be able to adequately diagnose the relationship between the queen and her archagent. But troll players could immediately place it as a dead ringer for kismesissitude. They would think we were all pretty stupid for not getting it. And they would be right. Or maybe it's just the closest functional equivalent we've got. Of course, the cigarette lance in Slick's eye was basically a scratch to him, and he only went gunning for her at Scratch's behest, right? EDIT: Blackheart posted:The thing with troll relationships is that it was supposed to be stupid. It always was. Hussie had to explain it to us in detail to see if we could read that block of text with a straight face, and then he took it to the extreme with leprechaun romance. Will we have to see Squiddle romance to understand that the quadrants were always a joke and not to be emulated or taken seriously? For people here to understand it? Sure, that'd probably do it if anyone still took it seriously. For Tumblr? Never. Their reaction would probably be "No, that's totally stupid, but troll romance works, you guys." frozentreasure fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Oct 10, 2013 |
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Oct 10, 2013 02:09
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Seoinin posted:Yeah but you'll notice that neither of them were in the middle of a tearful mental breakdown. Are you implying that Slick has emotions besides anger and disdain?
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Oh, and not to distract from this thrilling line of conversation, but, at long last, troll hoodies are available (and embroidered patches for the kids, like what you got in the Kickstarter rewards).
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