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Strawman posted:Glenn Beck on creating the next generation of conservatives. Mock Executions are a crime. Throw Beck in jail and ask him "Where's your Mormon God now?"
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Glenn Beck had Louis Gohmert on this morning and they mostly gave each other verbal handies but at one point Gohmert started talking about how great Paul Ryan is and Beck just kept saying "progressive" in that sorta fake cough mock tone. They also disagreed on why Republicans are unpopular. Gohmert said Republicans have never been popular because they've always been too concerned with doing the right thing and Beck said they're unpopular now because they are not doing the right thing and are selling out. This interview followed Beck reading a statement from some rag calling out the Beck championed Freedomworks as an organization dedicated to creating division between conservative factions.  for days.
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Oct 11, 2013 17:34
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The damned media keeps defining the GOP as racist and misogynistic! I'll tell you all about it after these commercials supporting my media empire, a segment about birth control sluts and a sidebar about how Trayvon Martin had it coming.
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Oct 11, 2013 17:52
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Glenn Beck had Louis Gohmert on this morning and they mostly gave each other verbal handies but at one point Gohmert started talking about how great Paul Ryan is and Beck just kept saying "progressive" in that sorta fake cough mock tone. Paul Ryan? Progressive? I'm picturing conservatives as chickens running to the right wall of a structure, and when they get there they peck the eyes of other chickens that are even a millimeter away from the wall.
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Oct 11, 2013 20:23
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Pander posted:Paul Ryan? No no no, this time they've truly found that Tea Party savior in Ted Cruz and they'll surely congratulate him on a battle well fought when this is all over and he says "Oh well best I could do!".
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Oct 11, 2013 20:30
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Why is Rush touting Obama's dropping approval rating like it means something suggesting Republicans are right about something when probably a third of the President's tanking numbers can be attributed to disaffected liberals and when the GOP approval rating is even lower? Oh, right. He's Rush Limbaugh and the liberal media something something.
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Oct 11, 2013 21:10
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Pander posted:Paul Ryan? Everyone who isn't in favor of literally turning everyone making less than twenty dollars an hour into dog food isn't good enough for Beck now.
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Oct 11, 2013 21:15
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Mock Executions are a crime. Throw Beck in jail and ask him "Where's your Mormon God now?" I sometimes wonder if people like Beck fear government oppression or fetishize it.
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Oct 11, 2013 21:17
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Intel&Sebastian posted:No no no, this time they've truly found that Tea Party savior in Ted Cruz and they'll surely congratulate him on a battle well fought when this is all over and he says "Oh well best I could do!". They even have that picture of him in front of the stained glass after his fauxlibuster, giving him a halo effect.  
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Oct 11, 2013 21:17
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I sometimes wonder if people like Beck fear government oppression or fetishize it. There's probably Holocaust fetish footage of Beck somewhere a la Max Mosley.
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Oct 11, 2013 21:24
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Mister Macys posted:They even have that picture of him in front of the stained glass after his fauxlibuster, giving him a halo effect. My dead-eyed, Eeyore-sounding lord and savior.
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Mister Macys posted:They even have that picture of him in front of the stained glass after his fauxlibuster, giving him a halo effect. I know they're trying to turn Cruz into literally Jesus but is it wrong that the only thing I could see is a self-absorbed twit that isn't interested in helping anybody that isn't himself?
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Mister Macys posted:They even have that picture of him in front of the stained glass after his fauxlibuster, giving him a halo effect. He's probably doing exercises in preparation to suck his own dick.
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Oct 11, 2013 21:54
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That is a great photo, really captures the bizarre nature of GOP politics. Who will be the next anointed one / sacrificial lamb I wonder?
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Oct 11, 2013 23:00
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TASTE THE PAIN!! posted:That is a great photo, really captures the bizarre nature of GOP politics. I think Cruz is smart enough to never show even the slightest bit of moderation. So long as he never fades left anything won't he be able to keep up appearances with his base?
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Miltank posted:I think Cruz is smart enough to never show even the slightest bit of moderation. So long as he never fades left anything won't he be able to keep up appearances with his base? In the highly unlikely event that he becomes the GOP candidate in 2016 and in the (likely) event that he loses, you know that the tea party narrative is going to be that he was too moderate.
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Miltank posted:I think Cruz is smart enough to never show even the slightest bit of moderation. So long as he never fades left anything won't he be able to keep up appearances with his base? It doesn't matter if he never modulates his conservatism because he has very little power to actually further any of his goals. So at some point something's going to happen that he won't have any power to prevent, and then at that point the GOP die-hards will say that he didn't fight hard enough. I give it 6 months.
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Even the Washington Post isn't above touching the poop every now and again:
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I'm curious about the documentary mentioned in this Salon article, about the director's father being turned from amiable dad to confrontational conservative spitfire by a long driving commute and exposure to talk radio. It seems to be a depressingly common thing.Senko posted:
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/11/fox_news_and_talk_radio_brainwashed_my_dad_partner/ I've been seeing something like that happening with my own father here in Brazil, on a lighter scale. Minor issues that he never cared about suddenly becoming life-or-death things, rewarding offensiveness as a virtue (against the 'right' targets, of course), tentative/probing support for military coups to 'put and end to this mess'... to the direct degree of his exposure to bombastic media.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Even the Washington Post isn't above touching the poop every now and again: That dude looks like a straight-up murderer. Good on the Post for letting off a little steam, though. They must be getting inundated with insane messages.
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Mister Macys posted:They even have that picture of him in front of the stained glass after his fauxlibuster, giving him a halo effect. You know I never could figure out what Cruz's eyebrows and the "mournful" look they give him reminded me of. Then one day it struck me... Pagliacci! 
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Even the Washington Post isn't above touching the poop every now and again:
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The problem with planting your flag as the tea party anointed one is all you're doing is setting a new standard for how far right the next one needs to be. They don't want politicians, they want cartoon characters. That's why Sarah Palin has outlasted all the elected ones.
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Sephyr posted:I'm curious about the documentary mentioned in this Salon article, about the director's father being turned from amiable dad to confrontational conservative spitfire by a long driving commute and exposure to talk radio. It seems to be a depressingly common thing. I'm pretty interested in seeing this. I enjoyed the end of the interview with the filmmaker: quote:ROC: If you had 30 seconds to speak to Rush Limbaugh, what would you say?
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Woah, thanks for mentioning that documentary. I'm forwarding this around so much I may end up in spam filters, heh. Some of you may have no idea how many of us have lived this with different friends and family (not my dad, though, who would shoot Rush Limbaugh if he could get away with it). It's a shared and painful experience for a lot of people that makes friendships and family relationships very difficult.
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Oct 12, 2013 01:43
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ReindeerF posted:Woah, thanks for mentioning that documentary. I'm forwarding this around so much I may end up in spam filters, heh. Some of you may have no idea how many of us have lived this with different friends and family (not my dad, though, who would shoot Rush Limbaugh if he could get away with it). It's a shared and painful experience for a lot of people that makes friendships and family relationships very difficult. You're quite welcome. I'm definitely showing it to my father when it comes out. Hopefully it's distant enough (he used to idolize US executives...until he met them) that he can see the harm done without feeling personally accused, and then I can try and gradually build links to the situation here.
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ReindeerF posted:Woah, thanks for mentioning that documentary. I'm forwarding this around so much I may end up in spam filters, heh. Some of you may have no idea how many of us have lived this with different friends and family (not my dad, though, who would shoot Rush Limbaugh if he could get away with it). It's a shared and painful experience for a lot of people that makes friendships and family relationships very difficult. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person in America who doesn't have any family or friends like that. Even the ones who are a bit Jebus-y were all raised to not get in other people's faces about it via good ol' proper southern Calvinism and basic manners. It must be exhausting to have to put up with that poo poo with people you actually care about.
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It helps when you live 9,000 miles away.
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Sephyr posted:I'm curious about the documentary mentioned in this Salon article, about the director's father being turned from amiable dad to confrontational conservative spitfire by a long driving commute and exposure to talk radio. It seems to be a depressingly common thing. Oh man, this is too close to my own dad to be comfortable. When I was tiny in the early 90's he used to love Carl Sagan and we watched Monty Python programs together (Meaning of Life and Life of Brian included, not just the Holy Grail). 20 years later he's an acerbic, sexist, racist, aggressive "libertarian" who can't keep his political thoughts to himself in any conversation whatsoever. He's called me the typical communist-marxist-socialist word salad every time I try to point something out about an opinion he repeated from Rush. He's gotten so bad that my grandparents, who have strong political opinions of their own, will try to disallow political talk at all at family gatherings. "Britain used to be a great country until they started socialist healthcare that never works! Europe is a socialist hellhole that can't ever do anything right! Evolution is just a theory! Nuke Iraq until it's a flat plain of glass!" The most recent time I lost my composure with him was when my sister visited from California for a couple of weeks. She brought up crime problems in her apartment complex and the first thing dad said was "Lots of Mexicans there?". Ugh. Now he's fallen into some sort of hyper credulity to any of the side businesses that live commensally with right-wing talk programs like gold-buying, pseudo-science "health" products, and magazines that advertise life prolonging snake oil. He's been an RN for over 20 years and still falls for this crap. I can understand how he's been made vulnerable to this sort of thing; home life is stressful, we live in Louisiana, finances can be rough, still has the final of four kids at home, came of age during the Reagan Era,etc., but he's made visiting home almost unbearable. The worst part is that he's completely irrational about the whole thing; if anything so much as appears remotely contradictory to something he heard or read from a "friendly" news source like Fox News or AR-15.com it's immediately dismissed as evil, literal communist propaganda. I have no idea what to do about it but I'm sure he'd refuse to watch this documentary too. I imagine this is similar to what people with family members suffering from worsening alzheimer's must feel like.
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The only way I know to get people out of the brainwashing is to get them out of the brainwashing -- they have to stop watching Fox and listening to Rush first.
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Hannity is crowing about how the Obamacare website has (had?) technical issues. I get why the GOP is using this, it's a great talking point, but I don't understand how the Democrat response isn't just "That's why we launched it three months early". I mean the earliest any of this kicks in is January 2014, and there is obviously no way to internally test the strain that an entire nation of users puts on a service. So they launched the drat website with a three month buffer to fix any problems that it encounters! What more do you want! How is that not the immediate, conversation ending talking point? edit: If you want to really add insult to injury say something about how Obamacare isn't making the same mistake that the House Republicans made by putting something off till the last minute. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:Oh man, this is too close to my own dad to be comfortable. When I was tiny in the early 90's he used to love Carl Sagan and we watched Monty Python programs together (Meaning of Life and Life of Brian included, not just the Holy Grail). 20 years later he's an acerbic, sexist, racist, aggressive "libertarian" who can't keep his political thoughts to himself in any conversation whatsoever. He's called me the typical communist-marxist-socialist word salad every time I try to point something out about an opinion he repeated from Rush. He's gotten so bad that my grandparents, who have strong political opinions of their own, will try to disallow political talk at all at family gatherings. "Britain used to be a great country until they started socialist healthcare that never works! Europe is a socialist hellhole that can't ever do anything right! Evolution is just a theory! Nuke Iraq until it's a flat plain of glass!" The most recent time I lost my composure with him was when my sister visited from California for a couple of weeks. She brought up crime problems in her apartment complex and the first thing dad said was "Lots of Mexicans there?". Ugh. Now he's fallen into some sort of hyper credulity to any of the side businesses that live commensally with right-wing talk programs like gold-buying, pseudo-science "health" products, and magazines that advertise life prolonging snake oil. He's been an RN for over 20 years and still falls for this crap. This is sad. What happens when, after someone like this ruins the third Thanksgiving family fathering in a row, some previously loved/trusted family member grabs him by the shoulders, shakes the hell out of him and says "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?" Are they ever able to perceive that something has gone terribly wrong? (In themselves, that is, not in "the rest of America")
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I almost broke him of the Rush habit by cornering him in an argument about something involved with the PPACA he heard from Rush and not letting him change the goalposts about it. He claimed something like "I haven't listened to Rush in 2 years!". My next visit home we all rode out to together for a movie or some such and he turned his truck radio to Rush right away. Living 300 miles away makes it hard to deprogram him. EDIT: I honestly don't know how self aware he is about this. It's hard to gauge because many of our closer family members are more sympathetic (or worse) to what he says because of Louisiana's fine political and educational traditions, so the mixed feedback and ostracism of the more "liberal" people he knows might even be encouraging. This cult-like devotion to conservatism, whatever it may be at the time, and addiction to the self-righteous indignation and hate it encourages is exhausting and depressing to me though. The two-minutes hate has been adapted to Jerry-Springer style programming and stretched out to 24 hours so that its viewers never have to self reflect and consider what they've heard. Dr. Red Ranger fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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As with any other addict, you have to remove the catalysts and work to reintroduce them into normal life over time. Unfortunately it's not easy, or often even possible. I had a lot of luck with one receptive family member who is an incredibly good person at heart, but I can't imagine it with some other friends and family. They believe these things, they're surrounded by people who believe these things, they've created a life where they never have to encounter anything contradictory to these things and the cycle just feeds itself. It'd be like trying to rehab a crack addict who lives inside a crackhouse.
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Tender Bender posted:Hannity is crowing about how the Obamacare website has (had?) technical issues. I get why the GOP is using this, it's a great talking point, but I don't understand how the Democrat response isn't just "That's why we launched it three months early". I think the current Democratic strategy is just to not bother talking about it since the shutdown is taking all the oxygen right now and nobody expects anything federal-government-related to be working anyway. I mean nobody even asked about it at today's white house press conference. Your argument is decent but there's no need to make it because the topic right now is shutdown.
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The glimpses I've seen of Fox News these last few days seem to show them bashing Obamacare 24/7. This seems in contrast to GOP Congressmen who seem to have mostly backed off mentioning anything about Obamacare in the last couple of days as the realization seems to have set in that they aren't going to be able to "defund" or do much of anything to it. What gives?
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I've lost one of my best friends of 20+ years over Benghazi. His basis was some anonymous caller who talked about the in extremis force and how it proved our President is the worst ever. I showed him tons of maps, articles, everything I could do. He told me if I didn't stop "it would be on me." Since he was a raving rear end in a top hat by that point I kept pressing with facts until he blocked me, called me a huge string of terrible things (which described him better than they did me) and that was the end. My Dad, he's the guy in the documentary. He was always selfish and a bit of a douche, but he taught us never to use the N-word and was a pretty stand-up guy. Then he retired. By then he was already in the Fox-hole, and now he's exactly like the Dad you know about. Completely bitter, angry, intractable, belligerent, and he will absolutely disown me (again, after he spoiled one entire Holiday season a couple years ago) if I ever question anything he says, or even just be myself in his presence. Politics at home are verboten, but it still didn't stop him from dropping an "Obummer" at the Thanksgiving dinner table last year. I had to wink at my amazingly cool nieces to shrug it off. They got it, too. Now I hate him. It hurts to admit it, but it's entirely true. I can't pity him anymore, because he has no respect for me and I'm his only son. I can't stand him and I only tolerate him for my mother. He's too far gone. If he were to pass, the rest of us would mostly just feel freed. I can't describe how dirty it makes me feel to admit it; but I can't deny it any longer. He is this way because of Rush and Fox News, specifically. P.S. - Now he is a rabid gun-nut, too; completely out of nowhere. I'm afraid of what he might do some day. Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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Zwabu posted:The glimpses I've seen of Fox News these last few days seem to show them bashing Obamacare 24/7. GOP Congressmen.
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ReindeerF posted:Woah, thanks for mentioning that documentary. I'm forwarding this around so much I may end up in spam filters, heh. Some of you may have no idea how many of us have lived this with different friends and family (not my dad, though, who would shoot Rush Limbaugh if he could get away with it). It's a shared and painful experience for a lot of people that makes friendships and family relationships very difficult.
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