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Don't talk poo poo about Hard Boiled, please.
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Oct 10, 2013 20:58
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mustard_tiger posted:I'm not sure how to describe it but I hate that weird choppy slow motion effect in movies. It like they drop frames so the scene skips from frame to frame like lag in a video game but the overall "time" is also slowed down. It's usually used in high intensity action scenes, but I'm having a hard time finding an example. Does this bug anyone else? Well regardless of the source, that sort of slow-mo seems, to me, to be a style you would call in the business, "cheap".
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Oct 10, 2013 22:14
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RyokoTK posted:Don't talk poo poo about Hard Boiled, please. I honestly haven't seen the movie, I was just talking about the effect, and it was the first example I found. Choco1980 posted:Well regardless of the source, that sort of slow-mo seems, to me, to be a style you would call in the business, "cheap". Its used in brand new films too. I actually got the idea to post it because it was used in a commercial today.
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Oct 10, 2013 22:42
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e: double post
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Oct 10, 2013 22:43
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mustard_tiger posted:I'm not sure how to describe it but I hate that weird choppy slow motion effect in movies. It like they drop frames so the scene skips from frame to frame like lag in a video game but the overall "time" is also slowed down. It's usually used in high intensity action scenes, but I'm having a hard time finding an example. Does this bug anyone else? You're not alone! I've always assumed that it appears whenever someone during post-production says "You know what? Let's make this scene slow-mo," and it gets choppy because the scene wasn't originally shot with a high-speed camera. Or, alternatively, they just straight up couldn't afford a high-speed camera for their production. Hence why it's extra frustrating to see in an otherwise high-budget film, because it just looks so much like something that would only be done for budgetary reasons.
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Oct 10, 2013 23:16
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In Hard Boiled I believe they used that choppy slow-mo to hide some transitions in the long-take action scenes.
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Oct 10, 2013 23:19
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mustard_tiger posted:I'm not sure how to describe it but I hate that weird choppy slow motion effect in movies. It like they drop frames so the scene skips from frame to frame like lag in a video game but the overall "time" is also slowed down. It's usually used in high intensity action scenes, but I'm having a hard time finding an example. Does this bug anyone else? Usually it's because they forgot to film for slow-mo and decided to do it after. Since there aren't frames to cover the time, it gets stupid looking. And then sometimes people think it looks good. This is almost always false.
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Oct 11, 2013 02:11
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Do you mean like they did in 300? Because that was done to mimic the way action is presented by panels in the comic.
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Oct 11, 2013 02:31
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the kind of slow-mo I hate is when they immediately alternate between fast motion and slow motion without any regular speed stuff inbetween.
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Oct 11, 2013 02:58
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CJacobs posted:the kind of slow-mo I hate is when they immediately alternate between fast motion and slow motion without any regular speed stuff inbetween. ohhhhh man would you hate the movie Le Mans then.
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Oct 11, 2013 04:04
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CJacobs posted:the kind of slow-mo I hate is when they immediately alternate between fast motion and slow motion without any regular speed stuff inbetween. Ah yes, the Zack Snyder Effect. It's a cool idea, since it increases the tension for a second, then releases it quickly. But it gets old around the second time you see it.
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Oct 11, 2013 04:17
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hyperhazard posted:Ah yes, the Zack Snyder Effect. It's a cool idea, since it increases the tension for a second, then releases it quickly. But it gets old around the second time you see it. It was great in 300 and after that it just became a lazy shorthand for flashy action scenes. Though Snyder did it again extremely well in the opening fight scene of Watchmen
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Oct 11, 2013 04:21
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EmmyOk posted:It was great in 300 and after that it just became a lazy shorthand for flashy action scenes. Though Snyder did it again extremely well in the opening fight scene of Watchmen It kicked rear end in Immortals because they use it for one scene where the Gods and the Titans are fighting and both parties are so ridiculously powerful that when somebody gets killed they fall in slow-motion because everybody else is most so much faster than human beings can even comprehend. 
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Oct 11, 2013 04:48
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...of SCIENCE! posted:It kicked rear end in Immortals because they use it for one scene where the Gods and the Titans are fighting and both parties are so ridiculously powerful that when somebody gets killed they fall in slow-motion because everybody else is most so much faster than human beings can even comprehend. Also that scene where Ares just loving crushes like fifteen dudes' skulls in a split second. Immortals ruled.
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Oct 11, 2013 05:05
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Byzantine posted:Also that scene where Ares just loving crushes like fifteen dudes' skulls in a split second. The best looking terrible movie I've seen outside of Bunraku.
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Oct 11, 2013 06:52
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Patattack posted:You're not alone! I've always assumed that it appears whenever someone during post-production says "You know what? Let's make this scene slow-mo," and it gets choppy because the scene wasn't originally shot with a high-speed camera. Or, alternatively, they just straight up couldn't afford a high-speed camera for their production. Hence why it's extra frustrating to see in an otherwise high-budget film, because it just looks so much like something that would only be done for budgetary reasons.
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Oct 11, 2013 07:32
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Here's something that annoys me about a movie I absolutely love, The Cabin In The Woods: So the whole gimmick of the movie is that these Ancient Beings demand a specific type of horror movie, with absolutely no deviation from that horror movie. What I get tripped up about is how outdated / restrictive the horror movie the Ancient Beings want. Nowadays, we (in general) like horror movies that deviate, rather than adhere to, genre cliches. If they are so stubborn about changes to their desires, wouldn't they want to see horror experiences dating back even farther than ~35 years? Maybe it's older than my movie-watching experience, but I don't think audiences felt ripped off if a virgin died in a slasher film.
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Oct 13, 2013 08:34
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On the other hand, there are horror movies going on in other countries that look like they would not follow that structure at all, such as the Japanese ghost movie. Apparently one of those working out the way it was supposed to would have let that facility featured off the hook, but literally everyone else hosed up their horror movie and didn't make the gods happy. Oh, and also, it's a movie that plays with existing cliches. It's generally pretty hard to pay tribute to movie conventions that are new and experimental. I mean, I guess you could do parodies and/or deconstructions of parodies and/or deconstructions, but then you just end up with this nesting doll of masturbatory cinema.
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Oct 13, 2013 09:06
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If I remember right, Cabin in the Woods sat on a self for a couple years before getting released. It's slightly outdated. Plus, the film was celebrating those old slasher tropes as much as it was blasting them, so the nostalgia ages it even more. Still a good time, but if you take the message at the end too seriously, the cracks really start to show.
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Oct 13, 2013 09:12
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I'm kindof annoyed at how often Cabin in the Woods gets brought up in ths thread. Sorry I know, but it's true. For real though, I watched Europa Report, and I really liked it for what it was. But I don't get why they switched up the narrative, like it was some kind of Pulp Fiction. There wasn't any need for the non-linearity. Didn't improve the narrative, just made you a little confused the first time they did it, then after that it was like, "oh, now we're after/before event" E: Also Sharlto Copley can't speak American but who cares
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Oct 13, 2013 09:55
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My beef with Cabin in the Woods is that the trailers advertised it as a serious scary horror movie whose secret would BLOW YOUR MIND. So I went into it thinking I was going to get the pants scared off me and was disappointed when I realized it was satire and the "secret" was revealed within the first minute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJUIgf7lsCY If you watch the trailer they play every scene straight. For example, in the movie the creepy redneck's lines are laughed at for being overdramatic, but in the trailer it's portrayed as menacing. I also didn't like all the reviews lauding Joss Whedon for his innovative "horror" movie, when he didn't really do anything new. He poked fun at all the old horror movie tropes, yes, but he didn't create a new genre of horror, which is what I was expecting. I felt a bit like the movie was saying "This is why horror is such a lovely genre these days", but didn't actually contribute anything to try and change that. Instead it just repeated the same clichés, but with the director going "See? See? We're in on the joke, haha!"
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Oct 13, 2013 15:35
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Cabin in the Woods was okay but it really just made me want to watch Evil Dead again instead.
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Oct 13, 2013 16:05
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Tin Miss posted:My beef with Cabin in the Woods is that the trailers advertised it as a serious scary horror movie whose secret would BLOW YOUR MIND. So I went into it thinking I was going to get the pants scared off me and was disappointed when I realized it was satire and the "secret" was revealed within the first minute. Yeah. A good portion of this thread's issues stem from trailers. And it's largely because trailer houses are given the most exciting/scary/funny bits of footage and have the direction of "Get people in the theatre." So mediocre comedies burn all three of their jokes in the trailer, In Bruges looks like a bog-standard buddy cop(criminal?) flick and Cabin in the Woods looks like the writer and director want you to take it seriously.
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Oct 13, 2013 16:55
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Speaking of previews, anyone else seen the trailer for Frozen? Why the gently caress does the snowman look like something from a made-for-TV CGI nightmare Xmas show than something done by loving Disney CGI? Everyone and thing else in the previews reminds me of the style used for Tangled, except that loving snowman.
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Oct 13, 2013 17:44
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Tin Miss posted:My beef with Cabin in the Woods is that the trailers advertised it as a serious scary horror movie whose secret would BLOW YOUR MIND. So I went into it thinking I was going to get the pants scared off me and was disappointed when I realized it was satire and the "secret" was revealed within the first minute. I was lucky enough to see Cabin in the Woods without ever seeing a trailer or anything, so I can't say for sure what I would have thought about that trailer if I had seen it cold, but it sure as poo poo doesn't make it look like a serious scary movie to me. I think that trailer does a pretty good job of giving you a fairly good idea of how much actual traditional "scary" you're in for without really giving anything away. Mr. Beefhead has a new favorite as of 18:36 on Oct 13, 2013 |
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Oct 13, 2013 18:32
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I really liked Cabin in the Woods, and for that exact reason it irritates me: the film is targeted to appeal exactly to my demographic. I'm that guy who's spent decades watching horror movies left and right, not for laughs or some unhealthy bloodlust, but with a genuine, scholarly fascination for the genre. I've read countless serious books on the subject. I have a mind filled with scores of trivia and critical analysis. And along comes this essay on the state of horror today wrapped in the metatextual language of a clever and funny horror pastiche by hip and popular filmmakers? It's so on-the-nose, I'd be insulted if I weren't too busy grinning ear to ear watching.
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Oct 13, 2013 18:48
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Cowslips Warren posted:Speaking of previews, anyone else seen the trailer for Frozen? Why the gently caress does the snowman look like something from a made-for-TV CGI nightmare Xmas show than something done by loving Disney CGI? Everyone and thing else in the previews reminds me of the style used for Tangled, except that loving snowman. You can thank these guys:  Now everybody's cramming a largely unnecessary "cute" sidekick into their movie again because Despicable Me topped the box office both times and made a zillion dollars in merchandising. Only the Minions were actually cute to begin with and just got run into the ground while the snowman has been punchable since the day he was unveiled.
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Oct 13, 2013 18:51
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Cowslips Warren posted:Speaking of previews, anyone else seen the trailer for Frozen? Why the gently caress does the snowman look like something from a made-for-TV CGI nightmare Xmas show than something done by loving Disney CGI? Everyone and thing else in the previews reminds me of the style used for Tangled, except that loving snowman. Disney fired their 2d department and a lot of the older legends like Glenn Keane left. Now they're going back to trying to rely on the "cute" retarded sidekick to get people into theatre seats since they can't make anything of worth anymore. The people on the animation team have outright said that making unique female characters interact is "too difficult" so they cut all the women out of the Snow Queen story except for 2.
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Oct 13, 2013 21:59
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:The people on the animation team have outright said that making unique female characters interact is "too difficult" so they cut all the women out of the Snow Queen story except for 2. That's really not what they said.
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Oct 13, 2013 22:06
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Tunicate posted:That's really not what they said. Here's the full quote then: quote:“Historically speaking, animating female characters are really, really difficult, because they have to go through these range of emotions, but you have to keep them pretty and they’re very sensitive to — you can get them off a model very quickly. So, having a film with two hero female characters was really tough, and having them both in the scene and look very different if they’re echoing the same expression; that Elsa looking angry looks different from Anna being angry.” Women are hard to animate because we have to keep them pretty! 
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Oct 13, 2013 22:18
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:they can't make anything of worth anymore. Tangled and Wreck-It Ralph were some of the best things to come out of Disney in the past 20 years and were better than anything Pixar has made since Up.
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Oct 14, 2013 02:19
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:Disney fired their 2d department and a lot of the older legends like Glenn Keane left. Now they're going back to trying to rely on the "cute" retarded sidekick to get people into theatre seats since they can't make anything of worth anymore. The people on the animation team have outright said that making unique female characters interact is "too difficult" so they cut all the women out of the Snow Queen story except for 2. Hopefully they'll see a gap to fill soon, as computer animated films have become utterly ubiquitous and it's gotten fuckin annoying.
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Oct 14, 2013 02:53
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I just saw Now You See Me, you know, that magic movie with Morgan Freeman. I don't think I can name a single moment of that film that didn't irritate me. I'm not sure who the movie intended for me to root for but I sure as hell wasn't rooting for those 4 little shits. Jesus that movie was such a pain to watch, way to provide zero sympathetic characters. Every single person was such a huge piece of poo poo and the motivation for the guiding force behind it all was laughably bad, yet I think I was supposed to applaud it and appreciate that the person behind everything got their "revenge".
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Oct 14, 2013 04:55
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Jerusalem posted:Jesus that movie was such a pain to watch, way to provide zero sympathetic characters. Every single person was such a huge piece of poo poo and the motivation for the guiding force behind it all was laughably bad, yet I think I was supposed to applaud it and appreciate that the person behind everything got their "revenge". That describes Wanted to me. What a terrible movie.
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Oct 14, 2013 14:43
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Cowslips Warren posted:Speaking of previews, anyone else seen the trailer for Frozen? Why the gently caress does the snowman look like something from a made-for-TV CGI nightmare Xmas show than something done by loving Disney CGI? Everyone and thing else in the previews reminds me of the style used for Tangled, except that loving snowman. This a thousand times. Just seeing the still of it makes me irrationally angry. I didn't really think the cute sidekick animal in Tangled was at all necessary, and the movie would have been better without it, but this thing makes me angry just by looking at it. What an eyesore. I honestly don't even know if my anger is irrational. Ok, it is, but gently caress
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Oct 14, 2013 14:51
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RyokoTK posted:That describes Wanted to me. What a terrible movie. In Wanted it was intentional. Plus, if you don't like Konstantin Khabensky there's something wrong with you.
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Oct 14, 2013 15:07
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Whatev posted:Disney did not fire their 2d department, they are just under-utilizing it and do not currently have a queued feature film for their traditional animators. They've been stuck with television and short films. Unfortunately they fired almost all their big name animators so I'm not sure how that's working out for them, and I think only Goldberg and Henn are the only big names left now. Even the Mickey Mouse shorts are outsourced to another studio. Sure they didn't "kill" and close the studio completely but I think they're only open to do pitches for new 3d projects. We aren't going to get anymore 2d out of them. ...of SCIENCE! posted:Tangled and Wreck-It Ralph were some of the best things to come out of Disney in the past 20 years and were better than anything Pixar has made since Up. Tangled had Glenn Keane at the helm (who's one of the main animators responsible for their successes the last 20-30 years or so) and Wreck-it-Ralph wasn't even directed by a Disney director. They got the guy who did the Simpsons, Futurama and the Critic to do it. Disney hasn't been that great for a long time, and Pixar's been suffering ever since they were bought out. It's why we have a billion cars/planes/boats/machineswitheyes sequels.
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Oct 14, 2013 20:38
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:Tangled had Glenn Keane at the helm (who's one of the main animators responsible for their successes the last 20-30 years or so) and Wreck-it-Ralph wasn't even directed by a Disney director. They got the guy who did the Simpsons, Futurama and the Critic to do it. Disney hasn't been that great for a long time, and Pixar's been suffering ever since they were bought out. When Disney hires you, you become a Disney director. Stop being dense. And Pixar was bought out in 2006 and put out Ratatouille, Wall-E, Up, and Toy Story 3 as the next 4 films after that, so you'll just have to deal with being blatantly wrong there too. Their live action blockbusters have been garbage but they've been able to grind out a few good animated films and metric gently caress tons of money (it's almost like kids like formulaic kids films!).
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Oct 15, 2013 05:49
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Maybe I'm wrong but that stab wound that the kid in Pay It Forward gets at the end of the movie didn't really look bad enough to kill him. Especially since an ambulance was called almost instantly. I also thought that the stabbing was super oscar bait-y and messed up the movie's message a little.
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Celery Face posted:Maybe I'm wrong but that stab wound that the kid in Pay It Forward gets at the end of the movie didn't really look bad enough to kill him. Especially since an ambulance was called almost instantly. I also thought that the stabbing was super oscar bait-y and messed up the movie's message a little. I think you've got your spoiler tags backwards.
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