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Jake Soo posted:That's Heroes del Silencio's (Spanish rock band) song Entre dos tierras. Used by Kaientai DX while in Japan and also on the ECW Barely Legal PPV. Huh. So it was used by Kaientai! Thanks very much for that! 
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I think the real turning point in Joe not having stellar matches consistently was after he did that insane spot where he jumped off a high place and landed back first on STAIRS.
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Oct 13, 2013 02:27
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I don't know why Joe wouldn't think he was wanted. Between Cena who he trained/feuded with, Punk, Bryan and any number of people would would vouch for him, and especially considering Umaga, they would have loved him.
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Oct 13, 2013 02:33
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The common story is that Matthew Randazzo had a pal on the WWE writing team (Court Bauer, I think) who witnessed him getting absolutely buried by Vince and Stephanie because Joe was a huge internet darling. Grain of salt and all that, but if Joe believed it, it would have stopped him for sure from going to WWE. This was also a few years ago before Punk and Bryan meant anything to WWE.
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Oct 13, 2013 02:37
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El Gallinero Gros posted:The common story is that Matthew Randazzo had a pal on the WWE writing team (Court Bauer, I think) who witnessed him getting absolutely buried by Vince and Stephanie because Joe was a huge internet darling. Grain of salt and all that, but if Joe believed it, it would have stopped him for sure from going to WWE. This was also a few years ago before Punk and Bryan meant anything to WWE. Yeah, Punk's only been at the level to have that sort of pull in the last couple of years, and Bryan isn't really there even now.
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Oct 13, 2013 02:50
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Justin Godscock posted:As much as Vince loves "good TV", no loving way would he keep the camera on something that was unplanned or unknown to him. Raven was on TV for weeks before Vince even realized the guy was employed by his company.
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Oct 13, 2013 04:13
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Bubba Grace posted:Raven was on TV for weeks before Vince even realized the guy was employed by his company. Reminds me of when Jimmy Yang was visiting at a TV taping and Vince said something like "why aren't you in your gear?" and Jimmy said "you fired me a year ago".
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Oct 13, 2013 04:21
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EugeneJ posted:Reminds me of when Jimmy Yang was visiting at a TV taping and Vince said something like "why aren't you in your gear?" and Jimmy said "you fired me a year ago". I can see Vince replying,"You call that an excuse?"
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Oct 13, 2013 04:34
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Jerusalem posted:I can see Vince replying,"You call that an excuse?" "Well I'm hiring you again" "What?" Vince McMahon would give someone a contract simply to prove he wasn't wrong.
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EugeneJ posted:Reminds me of when Jimmy Yang was visiting at a TV taping and Vince said something like "why aren't you in your gear?" and Jimmy said "you fired me a year ago". Always bring your gear.
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Oct 13, 2013 05:38
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Onmi posted:"Well I'm hiring you again" This literally happened. Shawn Michaels was terrified of doing the Spirit Squad's five man catapult straight up and then down through a table, so they had Jimmy Yang, who is about Shawn's size, do the spot while Shawn watched. That's how he got his job back.
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budreck posted:Then he should quit. You're doing a disservice to paying fans when you don't act like you care about your job.
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HulkaMatt posted:I think the real turning point in Joe not having stellar matches consistently was after he did that insane spot where he jumped off a high place and landed back first on STAIRS. He was also wrestling old men for most of the next six months, when he got back to facing good workers in the fall of 2009 he had stellar match after stellar match.
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HulkaMatt posted:I think the real turning point in Joe not having stellar matches consistently was after he did that insane spot where he jumped off a high place and landed back first on STAIRS. That's the first thing this discussion had me thinking of. I wasn't watching TNA at the time but the reactions to that match here made me seek it out, and his look after that spot was amazing. Like he was stunned at the realization that he didn't just cripple himself, mixed with the realization how not worth it that stunt was.
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I still get this feeling that WWE wants to bring in Joe, specifically because I'm watching the Foley DVD and I'm watching Best in the World and they bring him up and like, sure in the latter, you can say "sure it's Punk" but Foley never needed to bring up Samoa Joe, but he does. So I think at least he still wants him to go to WWE. And I think if he were to go now they would take him.
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Onmi posted:I still get this feeling that WWE wants to bring in Joe, specifically because I'm watching the Foley DVD and I'm watching Best in the World and they bring him up and like, sure in the latter, you can say "sure it's Punk" but Foley never needed to bring up Samoa Joe, but he does. Mick Foley and CM Punk do not represent Vince McMahon.
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I thought Joe mostly stayed with TNA because it was a steady paycheck and he got to be in Florida all the time with his family.
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Vince McMahon will hire Samoa Joe, and then send him to Pyongyang, North Korea with a backpack filled with bibles and US flags.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Mick Foley and CM Punk do not represent Vince McMahon. Mick Foley and CM Punk didn't produce their own DVDs, the boss controls all.
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Onmi posted:Mick Foley and CM Punk didn't produce their own DVDs, the boss controls all. EugeneJ posted:Reminds me of when Jimmy Yang was visiting at a TV taping and Vince said something like "why aren't you in your gear?" and Jimmy said "you fired me a year ago". Sometimes really badly. Grendels Dad fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Oct 13, 2013 |
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Grendels Dad posted:Sometimes really badly. you know, I was just about to amend my post with that.
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Why did WCW bother with the Power Plant that produced almost nobody when they had an open checkbook to sign any wrestler on the planet that they wanted?
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Bigass Moth posted:Why did WCW bother with the Power Plant that produced almost nobody when they had an open checkbook to sign any wrestler on the planet that they wanted? Chael Sonnen was in the Power Plant. Oh what could have been...
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Bigass Moth posted:Why did WCW bother with the Power Plant that produced almost nobody when they had an open checkbook to sign any wrestler on the planet that they wanted? Because as 2002 - 2010 showed there is a real hard time to make stars when nobody is properly training them. It was a smart idea to replace the territory system but up until HHH took an interest in FCW and now NXT every attempt has ether been underfunded, undermined or just ran terribly.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Because as 2002 - 2010 showed there is a real hard time to make stars when nobody is properly training them. It was a smart idea to replace the territory system but up until HHH took an interest in FCW and now NXT every attempt has ether been underfunded, undermined or just ran terribly. OVW? But mostly because it ran itself as a promotion with its own events and actually trained wrestlers?
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Onmi posted:OVW? But mostly because it ran itself as a promotion with its own events and actually trained wrestlers? WWE constantly undermined OVW and treated it as a place to stick those who annoyed Stephanie too much like Heyman and Cornette.
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For example, Cornette talked about WWE sending OVW 3 full-sized rings without warning or anywhere to store them, just because WWE didn't have room for them.
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Bigass Moth posted:Why did WCW bother with the Power Plant that produced almost nobody when they had an open checkbook to sign any wrestler on the planet that they wanted? A few reasons: *It was a cash cow. The majority of trainees at the powerplant were not under WCW contracts and were likely to never be so, each paying $3,000 for 6 months of training. If you've seen the Louis Theroux documentry you might have noticed how much of the training reigme was based around cardio to an extent that even other schools were not. One of the more cynical reasons for this was that the training was designed to get those who didn't "have the heart" to quit, at which point they wouldn't get their fee returned. At one point the average length of a trainee's time at the power plant was approximately 2 months, and with the constant turn over in classes the power plant was a minor money spinner. *Less cynically when the plant was set up in 1995 there were concerns about the depth of talent avaliable upon the indies, in no small part down to the death of the territories. No one really anticipated the wrestling boom that would bring about a renewed talent pool in the early 2000's or the boom in the independent scene that would follow the deaths of ECW and WCW. At the time the independents were pretty poo poo - much of the talent having poor training, and with few talented vetran talents to help guide them, the majority of names still being out there being washed up talent that none of the big companies wanted (with the obvious exceptions like Terry Funk). So setting up a school to provide talent for the future seemed a sensible tactic. *Having a school was something that big promotions did. WWF used Memphis, then in 97 had OVW, NJPW had it's dojo, even ECW had the House of Hardcore. Having a school was a prestige thing. Also It's important to remember that Jody Hamilton had been training talent for WCW almost from the moment that the company was formed. For years, WCW pointed at the talent that his training produced during the early 90's and claiming those talents as being the product of the power plant, despite Hamilton's original school that produced talents the quality of Kevin Nash and El Gigante had no real connection to the Powerplant other than Hamilton being in charge of both. Hamilton wasn't very good at training professional wrestlers. Arguably the biggest success under his watch - Bill Goldberg was given so much attention by specific trainers as to have not actually been developed under the philosophy of the power plant. Of course his fine success rate with the power plant made Hamilton a perfect pick to run Deep South Wrestling when Johnny Ace "expanded" the WWE's training development. DSW was very bad. Very very bad.
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Gonzo McFee posted:WWE constantly undermined OVW and treated it as a place to stick those who annoyed Stephanie too much like Heyman and Cornette. I was mostly at the "run terribly" since Cornette ran it well, and it DID produce big stars. But yeah I'm aware of all those problems, the under funded, undermined stuff is definitely true. Lord the horror stories of OVW are amazing, and you know Cornette hasn't even scratched the surface of it.
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Like most people I've really enjoyed the OSW Reviews of the late 80s/early 90s. I would like to watch those PPVs in their entirety. Is there a legal way to do so, preferably on Blu-Ray? Also as long as I'm asking, I really want to find a way to see Tuesday Night Titans (and/or any other "mostly talking" WWF shows), and any help with that would be greatly appreciated.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:Like most people I've really enjoyed the OSW Reviews of the late 80s/early 90s. I would like to watch those PPVs in their entirety. Is there a legal way to do so, preferably on Blu-Ray? You would have to track down a bunch of Out-Of-Print DVD's. None of the old shows are on Blu Ray. Check Google Video for whatever you're looking for: http://www.google.com/videohp
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Lots of questions What 5* matches has RVD had? Did WCW have any 5* matches in it's last 2 years? What was the last holy poo poo chant we had on WWE tv? When did CM Punk last use the pepsi plunge? Is ROH still seen as the number 3 promotion? If not/so why? When did wrestlers start using simple finishers like the KO punch and the Cobra (which are hitable at any time or place?)
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Off the top of my head, I think the Hart/Benoit tribute match was probably the best WCW match in the last two years.
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Manwithastick posted:Lots of questions None. This was his highest Meltzer-rated singles match (****1/4): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6cd78_hardcore-heaven-1999-rob-van-dam-vs_sport The highest-rated matches he participated in otherwise were the 2001 Alliance vs. Team WWE Survivor Series Match and the 2013 RAW Money in the Bank Ladder Match (both ****1/2).
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Manwithastick posted:Lots of questions RVD has been in zero five star matches per Dave Meltzer. Highest rated matches I could find him in were ****1/2, though most of those were multi-man gimmick matches (MitB or EC). WCW's last ***** match was in 1992. If you're speaking in terms of the U.S. & Canada, RoH is seen as third behind WWE and TNA. Globally, though, NJPW is #2, and there might be an argument that either AAA or CMLL should be above RoH, let alone TNA (I sadly don't know anything about lucha to sufficiently make that argument).
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Manwithastick posted:Lots of questions Dave Melter didn't rate any WCW matches 5 stars after 1992. Hell, there were no 5 star singles matches after 1989. quote:Is ROH still seen as the number 3 promotion? If not/so why? In the US/Canada, sure, although that's really not saying much. Probably any significant Japanese or Mexican fed would be bigger than them despite the fact most of them aside from NJPW are currently struggling.
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Here is a link to some of his bigger WCW Ratings. Highest it went in the last 2 years was ****¼ HulkaMatt fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Oct 13, 2013 |
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HulkaMatt posted:Here is a link to some of his bigger WCW Ratings. I love how only two matches made it to or above **** in 2000. 
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Manwithastick posted:What was the last holy poo poo chant we had on WWE tv? Very recently. It was the Raw in Toronto when Cesaro did that massive Giant Swing on Santino. The crowd was doing that thing where they didn't care so they tried to amuse themselves with a random chant, and Cesaro brought them back into it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWXtHvU6B_E
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El Gallinero Gros posted:The common story is that Matthew Randazzo had a pal on the WWE writing team (Court Bauer, I think) who witnessed him getting absolutely buried by Vince and Stephanie because Joe was a huge internet darling. Grain of salt and all that, but if Joe believed it, it would have stopped him for sure from going to WWE. This was also a few years ago before Punk and Bryan meant anything to WWE. I would be absolutely stunned if Vince or Stephanie even know who Samoa Joe is.
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