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Smoking Crow posted:Thanks. I've been wanting to play a turn-based strategy game for a while and X-Com wasn't cutting it. Careful, though-- these are 4X grand strategy games, but they aren't turn based-- although you can always pause at will to issue orders and queue up buildings or marry your idiot king or whatever.
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Rincewind posted:Careful, though-- these are 4X grand strategy games, but they aren't turn based-- although you can always pause at will to issue orders and queue up buildings or marry your idiot king or whatever. This won't come down to reflexes and hotkeys like other RTS's, right?
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Smoking Crow posted:This won't come down to reflexes and hotkeys like other RTS's, right? There's basically none of that at all. You can change the speed, and a lot of events pause the game unless you make a choice anyway. It really isn't an RTS despite being sort of real time and being strategy.
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You'll spend like half of the game paused and the Spacebar will be your best friend. Whereas all RTS games run off discrete ticks, these games usually have only a few daily ticks per second. Speed 3 is like one day per second, I think. The only time you'll babysit is when you're trying to outmaneuver an army or something, and that's a matter of unpausing for a day and checking to see where it's moving.
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Smoking Crow posted:This won't come down to reflexes and hotkeys like other RTS's, right? It is just a way to resolve hundreds of miniature turns for dozens or hundreds of different countries quickly. All time-sensitive planning can be done while paused.
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Yeah, it absolutely doesn't come down to reflexes. Even if for some insane reason you didn't pause for an entire game things would still mostly move slowly enough to handle in realtime unless you're fighting a two front war against two sprawling empires or half your vassals just revolted or something. It's not like playing Starcraft or whatever. (I've pretty much accepted that I'll never be able to play Starcraft  )
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If you've ever played a SimCity game, it's the same thing.
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NihilCredo posted:If you've ever played a SimCity game, it's the same thing. Yeah, that's a better way of putting it. Successions in Crusader Kings 2 are like when your city catches on fire. The HRE piling into a war you're in is like the monster showing up. The Timurids rolling into town is picking every disaster on the menu at once.
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So... I've been playing the Pop Demand Mod for Heart of Darkness recently as the USA. I did most things pretty much close to history, Manifest Destiny to grab the Western states from Mexico, opened Japan in the 1850's, the Republicans were elected in 1859 and I fought and won the civil war from 1862-1864. After that the Republicans won every election due to First Past the Post and general liberal bent of the population. Laissez Faire even worked pretty well opening lots of factories and building lots of railroads and Protectionism allowed me to rake in money, despite low taxes. I got some unemployment and there were movements for social reform, which I obliged at times. Then it seems something boiled over, by 1880 it seems that unemployment had gotten somewhat out of hand and about 10% of the population had turned communist, and it seems that pretty much all of them had joined the Communist rebels who then rose up completely overwhelming my armies within a few months (actually it was three uprisings in short successions, each absolutely massive). Now I'm the People's Republic of America. After a massive reorganization effort to make the transition from Laissez Faire to Planned Economy where I went through each state and closed, built and expanded factories where necessary, I am now getting tons of immigrants still, I have almost no unemployment (the only exception is about 200 craftsmen in Alaska, where there is no factory yet) I am almost unable to not make thousands of gold per day and at the start of the third 5 year plan I am only about 50 points from overtaking Britain in industrial score. It really seems as though Communist America is the best America.  Other interesting things about this world is that Austria beat Prussia in a hegemony war and Prussia has not been able to form even the North German Confederation (it's possible they might in a few years though), Russia is horribly backwards (their literacy is lower than Turkey's and they spent a good while being a secondary rather than a great power), and the Ottoman Empire tagswitched to Turkey in the 1870's after two successive Jacobin revolutions, both Lebanon and Iraq have broken away and at the moment Kurdish and Syrian nationalists are controlling most of their respective cores.
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That screenshot kind of owns since it indicates a huge change to history without any goofy borders at all.
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Well that's only 10 years after the revolution, and things might change very soon. I was thinking of trying to wrest Canada from Britain and aquiring a few states in the North East. However I might have to put that on hold as I've started getting a number of events about people being dissatisfied with the totalitarian government, mass protests, people calling themselves the Sons of Liberty talking about seceding that sort of stuff. Also 75% of all people in the People's Republic desire the return of democracy (which I can't give them through reform), the movement to bring about this is 3.26 million people strong and the Jacobin Rebels have 5.68 million people (or is it POPs? Because I have 13.4 million POPs total and this would represent about 75% of them). I have activated the decision "Purge the Traitors!" which reduces militancy and consciousness but also population growth and leadership. Population growth is now a quarter of what it was before and Canada receives more immigrants than me. On the plus side I have overtaken Britain in industrial score and I have every technology possible (the year is 1893, I have to wait 'till 1900 for the next researchable one). The American People have it too good, they have excellent pensions, healthcare, a good mimimum wage, and factories are subject to thorough safety and anti-pollution measures, and there is no unemployment. And still they protest and complain. EDIT: The Jacobins are now have 200 brigades ready to join the uprising (out of a possible 2161) and rising rapidly, the revolt risk is 8.9%, also rising rapidly. EDIT2: The uprising is here! It's now in the hands of whatever the People's Republic of America would call their army. EDIT3: Population has fallen from 13.38 million adult males to 13.17 since the start of the uprising, and just now when it was looking like I might have it under control Illinois, Missouri, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota have seceded to form the New American Alliance. Bourgeois scum.   A few months following this, California secedes as well and Iowa joins the New American Alliance. The death toll so far in the popular uprising against the communist government now totals about 600,000 men.  A few days later Arizona and New Mexico secede to form the Pueblo Republic.  During the past few weeks increasing numbers of rebels have laid siege to Washington D.C. where the Revolutionar Guards have barricaded themselves and have inflicted grievous casualties using .. poison gas  This can only last for so long though, they are going to be completely overrun very soon, a relief force of about 70 000 men are coming, but they probably won't be enough. Next to jump on the seccessionist wagon are Mormons of Utah and Nevada. All available forces are relocated to Washington, to hopefully relieve the siege and save the Party leadership.  Next up is New England. I'd say that the Union is now irreparably broken, anything that remains of the USA/PRA will have a real hard time reuniting the nation. 
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Sorry for coming out of the blue with this, but is it possible to do well as a non-christian in CK2 without waging offensive war at all? And, if you want to play a merchant republic, must you start as one of those included with the DLC (for lack of a better term), or can you create your own along the way? Yes, I want to play this game of swords as a pacifist pagan trader. God(s) help me.
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Bobfly posted:And, if you want to play a merchant republic, must you start as one of those included with the DLC (for lack of a better term), or can you create your own along the way? If a duke-level title on a coast is given to a mayor, a new trade republic springs into existence.
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So things qucikly escalated completely out of control. By November 4 the victory of the rebels is complete, I'd guess the Communists were torn to pieces by angry mobs. I stopped keeping count, but I'd say it's possible that something short of 2 million men died in the civil war.  Though the Communists ruled well in economic matters, their disregard for democracy have completely destroyed any hope of a united North America. And slavery has been reintroduced in the new CSA and the Texan Republic (Not shown is Alaska, which also seceded, the Panama Canal, Hawaii and Sulu remain in the hands of the new Washington government). The USA now has 66% Revanchism... hello Fascist revolution about 10 years or so down the line  EDIT: God damned Capitalists! hope I get a party with Interventionism in this election, Laissez Faire is driving unemplotment through the roof, I need to subsidize the industry! Randarkman fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Randarkman posted:So things qucikly escalated completely out of control. By November 4 the victory of the rebels is complete, I'd guess the Communists were torn to pieces by angry mobs. I stopped keeping count, but I'd say it's possible that something short of 2 million men died in the civil war. This is actually beautiful. As Rincewind said, I love how weirdly plausible it is and (even after the union has been torn apart) the borders are still fairly pretty. I've played V2 a few times, but I've never had anything so crazy off the rails happen. That's probably because I don't have a clue what I'm doing really and don't have the patience to micromanage factories etc/work out which factories to build based on resources and market values.
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ThomasPaine posted:This is actually beautiful. As Rincewind said, I love how weirdly plausible it is and (even after the union has been torn apart) the borders are still fairly pretty. I've played V2 a few times, but I've never had anything so crazy off the rails happen. That's probably because I don't have a clue what I'm doing really and don't have the patience to micromanage factories etc/work out which factories to build based on resources and market values. Yeah it looks pretty nice. Played a few years before I called quits for today, the New American Alliance declared war on the Confederacy and took Arkansas and Kentucky, due to having been developed by the communists as a hotbed for new industries and getting quite a large army off the bat (they received alot of my old soldier pops) they are now a secondary power ranked 12. New England is also doing fairly well, receving quite a lot of immigrants and having a very robust industrial economy, they are also allied with the NAA. Deseret is gone, it was DOWed by California and Dakota who grabbed Nevada and Utah respectively. USA is looking somewhat good, receiving alot of immigrants again (I kept all the social reforms introduced by the People's Republic), though the Republican electoral victory now means that unemployment is rampant due to capitalists not being willing to pay workers their good minimum wages and Laissez Faire not allowing me to subsidize the factories  I'm going to attempt to bring back the Democrats using the events for next election, in the meantime I'll build support for the socialist party. I think I'll settle for being an industrial powerhouse and attempt to sphere the other American states, one by one, creating a more loose Union for the future. Unless Fascists take over, in which case the Union shall be restored using extreme measures. Also worth noting is that both Mexico and Cuba have had Communist revolutions, Mexico is actually now ranked 12th on industrial score. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Kavak posted:Checking the links on the official forum, I'm afraid you're SOL. You'd be better off finding some way to play Darkest Hour on a Mac if Kaiserreich is what you're after. Darkest Hour on Wine runs fine. Do that if you're on a Mac. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?574625-How-to-Install-DH-on-a-Mac-(Tutorial)
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HOI2 runs great in a virtual machine, I run it in a virtual windows xp install with 2 GB of ram (probably way overkill.)
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Sorry about the drop from #2 to #5 but this map is loving rad.
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Randarkman posted:Next up is New England. I'd say that the Union is now irreparably broken, anything that remains of the USA/PRA will have a real hard time reuniting the nation.
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:lolwat? The Liberty Bell is in loving Philadelphia. 
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synertia posted:Sorry about the drop from #2 to #5 but this map is loving rad. Yeah it's pretty nice. I soon dropped down to #7 after that though, due to Laissez faire causing quite a few factories to be closed and alot of workers to be fired. I am kind of bummed out about the People's Republic falling apart though. It was going so well. Even with all the social reforms at max and tweaking the file to allow low taxes for Planned Economy (I kept taxes at 100% for the rich POPs though) and keeping tariffs relatively low I was swimming in cash and I was subsidizing every factory and bilding new ones and expanding others all the freaking time. I kind of want to try to go back some time and see if it is at all possible for me to keep it together, I guess if I can find some way to stave off the Jacobin rebels I might be able to bring all the seccesionist republics in using force, the problem is that they get soldier POPs who are from the states that join them, hence they also get the units these are the basis for. As for the Liberty Bell, who knows, maybe the Communists kind of hated on Philadelphia as it incidentally happened to be where I stationed my largest army up until the revolution.
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Is it weird that I wish Paradox would do semi-plausible historical event chains for situations like that? Alt-history revolters, too. I guess half the forums would hate them, but it would be cool if the game recognized and reacted when you went way off the rails with certain countries. It's just kinda sad that something cool like that can never happen in vanilla games. 
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Ofaloaf posted:Maybe the Communist regime moved it in this timeline. Fintilgin posted:It's just kinda sad that something cool like that can never happen in vanilla games.
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:It's interesting to think what a legit Marxist-Leninist vanguard regime would do to the monuments of the American bourgeois revolution. There's a somewhat well-known alternate history that names DC after Eugene Debs. Phil Chase, on the other hand, was a stone's throw from #FULLCOMMUNISM and idolized FDR and Lincoln. It shouldn't really be that much of a hassle to just grab the events and insert them into vanilla, I think. At least not the American ones, they really don't seem to be dependent on any conditions or otherwise that only exists in that mod.
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I believe the second ACW events are actually in the NNM already. I know I've seen most of the nations in Randarkman's game in my "Oh God How Do I USA" game, and I only run NNM. As for the "what would a M-L USA think of the revolution", on the one hand it would kinda make for a good narrative of the USA having a tradition of revolutions to free its peoples from oppression, first from monarchy, now from capitalism, but on the other, it exemplifies something a more idealistic socialist would be most disgusted by; a popular revolution that promised freedom, but just put the people under another oppression under a different name. It's kinda cool to think about, how some countries would start viewing their own traditions and defining historical moments after a communist revolution. Like would armed communist revolution in Canada keep the Queen the head of state to keep some consistency and legitimacy if the Queen recognizes the new Canadian government, or would they denounce her as a tyrant? I'd actually pay good (see:  ) money for DLC that just adds events for like when communists/fascists/republicans/monarchs take power in a nation, how the new government treats things like that.
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Noreaus posted:Isn't New Nations Mod specifically meant to be "all of the new nation stuff from PDM, without PDM's bullshit"? Well, there are some other cool events too, but... What this is a thing?! There have been quite a few things that have bothred me actually, the insubordinate/subordinate ideologies, the social liberals making it far too easy to pass social reforms if want to just put it to the max and splitting up infantry into two units, and the changes to the guard unit and so on. I also have a nagging suspicion that the crisis AI has been somewhat severly affected, I've only seen white peaces as settlements (the ones who stand to lose never give in it seems, and the guys on the other side are far too timid about pressing their claim in a war). DrProsek posted:I believe the second ACW events are actually in the NNM already. I know I've seen most of the nations in Randarkman's game in my "Oh God How Do I USA" game, and I only run NNM. Heh, after having listended to lots of typical civil war music and such when I played up to, during and after the American Civil War (which went very much according to OTL in my game) I listened to this and tried to find other socialist versions of typically American songs (seeing as in this timeline America was the first country to go socialist I imagined that socialism would have a lot more of an American feel to it than it actually does) Another cool thing would be more flavor events and decisions for countries that have gone through revolutions, such as maybe an alternative election/communist party politics/politburo stuff/trade union congress stuff for proletarian dictatorships, maybe unfree elections for presidential dictatorships or events to represents intrigues and coups common to such regimes. This would all be cool. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Oct 15, 2013 |
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EU4 tactical problem. -Playing Great Britain. -1630. Military lvl 19. -Mission to take an Indian coastal state. -VIJ owns all India and is allied with Bengal. -VIJ military is lvl 14. -I have started a war and have control of the seas around the Indian peninsula and have taken Ceylon. -I have 80k (60/10/10) troops in Ceylon ready to invade the mainland. -VIJ and allies have 140k troops, somewhere on the mainland (I can see 50k sitting up in Pakistan, don't know where the rest are. All internal unexplored atm). I can get all my troops from Ceylon onto the mainland pretty quickly, but even though I'm 5 levels ahead, I'm very worried that my troops will just get swamped, have no retreat available and be wiped out.
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Randarkman posted:Well, there are some other cool events too, but... What this is a thing?! NNM has expanded to include quite a bit of the cool events. It's basically a response to PDM going off the rails and making some really, really questionable decisions. Link to the thread for the mod at the paradox forums: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?683896-HoD-New-Nations-Mod&s=ecb1999806b785ea31198a6a45b0f602
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V for Vegas posted:EU4 tactical problem. Is there nobody bordering Vijayanagar who will give you military access?
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I'm basing my operations out of Oman which was the closest country I could win over. I can't get Persia over the line.
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Randarkman posted:I listened to this and tried to find other socialist versions of typically American songs Oh god, I'm on the No Fly List now, aren't I? 
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DrProsek posted:I believe the second ACW events are actually in the NNM already. I know I've seen most of the nations in Randarkman's game in my "Oh God How Do I USA" game, and I only run NNM. quote:Like would armed communist revolution in Canada keep the Queen the head of state to keep some consistency and legitimacy if the Queen recognizes the new Canadian government, or would they denounce her as a tyrant? Actually, that raises a good point: does this alt-history NNM/PDM communism stuff represent the Internationale? Noreaus posted:NNM has expanded to include quite a bit of the cool events. It's basically a response to PDM going off the rails and making some really, really questionable decisions. Link to the thread for the mod at the paradox forums: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?683896-HoD-New-Nations-Mod&s=ecb1999806b785ea31198a6a45b0f602 Wolfgang Pauli fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Oct 16, 2013 |
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On the subject from falling from grace and lefties, I decided to play Kaiserreich as the German Empire - but "RP" being a bit incompetent in Europe. Knock on Effects overall was SYNDICALISTS EVERYWHERE and Republic of China blobbing, leading to Japan stealing most of my colonies sans Vietnam. Ended up being the German Empire sans Germany and basically had to claw my way back from just having Mittelafrika after capitulation and Vietnam. On the plus side, Africa in this world is now covered in Autobahns and probably more industralized than Europe. Fun times. I'd probably of lost the war overall if the AI hadn't of let me encircle 200 divisions in Lebanon during my push back to Europe. It's pretty fun doing an internal monologue and basically doing an in-exile type situation, or regaining things youve lost and having to deal with how powerful your rivals become because of it.
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V for Vegas posted:EU4 tactical problem. If you're willing to run a sacrifice play, one thing you could do is to drop a small infantry stack far away from your main landing point to draw away VIJ's armies. If you stick a high maneuver general on the stack, you might even be able to keep ahead of their armies long enough to join up again with the main forces once landed or to get transported out. Randarkman posted:I was subsidizing every factory and bilding new ones and expanding others all the freaking time. I'm kinda curious about how the combined economies of your successor states match up to what your economy was before the split, since usually subsidizing everything leads to an economy that isn't actually capable of making a profit if left to the whims of the market - which, presumably, a lot of your successor states are now doing. Waiting a couple of years could lead to hilarity as the most industrialized regions break down into further and further revolutions as the factories shut down. Heck, even if the factories were actually structurally sound and could still turn a profit in a free market, they might shut down anyways because they've no longer got the resources and market of the entire United States to draw upon, nor the prestige to compete on the world market.
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Well that was much ado about nothing. Smashed the crap out of them even outnumbered 2:1.
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Victoria 1 question. I've never been able to figure out what that little arrow next to the technology means. Right now its orange and pointing downwards, is that bad? Maybe it means I'm trying to research a tech ahead of its time or something. I've wondered this for like 4 years.
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I believe it's an indicator for whether or not you're gaining literacy.
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I've been fully funding education from day 1 so I dont know why it would be pointing downwards. Weird.
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