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Improbable Lobster posted:Encyclopedia Dramatica and Tvtropes: Bastions of internet communism. Speaking of internet communism, a communist banned from TV Tropes. Choice quote upon a sarcastic(?) request to join Something Awful and bitch about TV Tropes there: quote:And then I would track down the admin's, put a gun to their head, and "stand my ground". Because all forums to some extent commit fraud and abuse with "muh' donations", but something awful is directly in federal offense for charging for a forum then turning around and banning people.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Encyclopedia Dramatica and Tvtropes: Bastions of internet communism. I'm reminded of all the Internet Libertarians that want to come totally own Goons in a debate but can't muster up ten bucks to post on a comedy forum.
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JackMackerel posted:Speaking of internet communism, a communist banned from TV Tropes.  Sweet gently caress."How DARE they have moderators that actually take active action in the community and don't just occasionally enforce the rules I said I read while I was making my payment!"
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JackMackerel posted:Speaking of internet communism, a communist banned from TV Tropes.  I screencapped this about two years ago in an anarchist group on Facebook. He's #11. My question referred to an incident even further back, in 2005, when he argued that women who have their pregnancies aborted should be put into the electric chair. I was just trying to be clever and could not have foreseen... that. Strange Charm fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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Jesus gently caress. It's like his understanding of communism comes from image macros misquoting/misattributing quotes to Karl Marx and those hippie shops that sell Che Guevara T-shirts. "Social progress can be measured by the social position of the female sex" - Karl Marx "The revolution and women’s liberation go together. We do not talk of women’s emancipation as an act of charity or because of a surge of human compassion. It is a basic necessity for the triumph of the revolution. Women hold up the other half of the sky." - Thomas Sankara "The status of women up to now has been compared to that of a slave; women have been tied to the home, and only socialism can save them from this." - Vladimir Lenin As for his idea that "sex is a distraction, an opiate to the masses": "The anxiety about the ‘consequences’, which is today the most important social factor – both moral and economic – that hinders a girl from giving herself freely to the man she loves disappears. Will this not be cause enough for a gradual rise of more unrestrained sexual intercourse, and along with it, a more lenient public opinion regarding virginal honour and feminine shame?" - Friedrich Engels, communist theorist and total manslut He sounds like just another creep who's angry at all women because he's not getting laid, but with communism.
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Meanwhile, I got curious about what TV Tropes thinks of a certain award-winning author: That last one, The Joy of X, is all about frequently-used title templates, with Welty's Optimist's Daughter listed under "The ____'s Daughter." It contains no plot summary, no tropes used by said story. It is the only one that does not reference "A Star Is Burns." The real irony is that there is also an article on Small Reference Pools.
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DoctorPresident posted:It's always fun to watch tropers trying to fit a very specific concept into things that really don't need it: From what I picked up on the last couple of TVTropes mock threads, the Tsundere is the one who says "B-baka, it's not like you're my chosen people or anything" because that's the one who's secretly in love with someone, but won't admit it. The Yandere is the one who will hunt you down and kill you or anything that stands in his/her/its way of you and him/her/it as a couple. Yeah, I don't get it either. Call me when they start to make sense.
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Welcome to anime. The mods tried to push for a non-Japanese name (or at least splitting it, since it's a massive cliche and fetish in the world of Japanland) a while back. I vaguely recall someone arguing against the renaming getting banned for it.
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JackMackerel posted:Welcome to anime. Oh, well, that makes sense, but doesn't "clingy jealous girl/guy" mean the same thing as a "yandere" (in terms of being a psycho driven mad by love), or is that TVTropes being redundant as usual?
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Penny Paper posted:Oh, well, that makes sense, but doesn't "clingy jealous girl/guy" mean the same thing as a "yandere" (in terms of being a psycho driven mad by love), or is that TVTropes being redundant as usual? Surprisingly not. 'Yandere' in moonrunes means they'll kill you and/or anyone who comes close to you out of spite/jealousy/love. Like the girl in Fatal Attraction, who the mods were trying to rename the trope after.
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You see a lot of them in adaptions of video games where the girl would kill the main character or someone else as part of a bad ending in ways that you would normally see in a slasher flick.
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Penny Paper posted:Oh, well, that makes sense, but doesn't "clingy jealous girl/guy" mean the same thing as a "yandere" (in terms of being a psycho driven mad by love), or is that TVTropes being redundant as usual? Yandere is ClingyJealousGirl TheSameButMore UpToEleven EverythingsBetterInJapan GratuitousForeignLanguage WhatDoYouMeanItsNotAwesome. There, wasn't that much better than having a proper conversation with normal words? Since we've covered The Aeneid, let's see what tropers think of The Odyssey: Main: The Odyssey posted:Animated Adaptation: A classic example- Ulysses 31 Is (sort of) The Odyssey IN SPACE! It's surreal. They're trying to analyze an ancient greek epic through the lens of anime, Bond villains, and Abbott & Costello. This one bit isn't as bad as the rest, but it really bothers me personally: Literature: The Odyssey posted:Bluff The Impostor: When a stranger walks up to Penelope and claims to be her lost husband Odysseus, Penelope casually asks for Odysseus's bed to be moved back into the bedroom. Since it really is Odysseus, he knows that particular bed, as he left it, can't be moved, and indeed should still be in the bedroom—he himself had carved one of the bedposts from a tree trunk still rooted in the ground. He calls her out on it, proving his identity. 
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Reading through their brick joke page, it's like they have no idea what a brick joke even is. It's supposed to follow the pattern of having a set up that goes nowhere, and then shows up as the punch line of another, totally unrelated joke. Ideally you're supposed to have forgotten about it in the interim. But they just use it to mean something that shows up more than once. From the "film" section: quote:In Airplane!, Stryker leaves a passenger behind in a cab to catch his plane in time. At the very very end, after all the plot has happened, the guy gets the girl, everybody is rejoicing and the credits have rolled, we cut back to his passenger, still in the cab: "Well, I'll give him another twenty minutes. But that's it." And the meter's running, too. quote:Pirates of the Caribbean: quote:As Jack is about to be arrested by the British after arriving at the port at the beginning of The Curse of the Black Pearl, Norrington comments on how he's the "worst pirate he's ever seen". Several scenes later, after Jack stole a British ship, Lt. Groves declares Jack to be "the best pirate he's ever seen", earning him a Death Glare from Norrington. quote:The Avengers: quote:The second stinger has the group go to the shawarma place Tony recommended earlier in the movie. The shawarma place was nearly destroyed by the battle. No one speaks. quote:The Dark Knight Rises: quote:In the beginning of The Wolverine, Logan is shown clearly distressed and nervous whenever he's on a plane, vigorously clutching the arms of his chair in terror. In one of the movie's final scenes, he can be seen clutching the his chair yet again. quote:In The Party, Bakshi (Peter Sellers) relieves his sore hand in a mound of crushed ice - when he pulls it out he finds it was holding caviar, now covering his hand. Wanting to wash off the offending smell, he hovers awkwardly outside an occupied restroom, shaking hands with another guest at one point. Several handshakes later, someone shakes Bakshi's hand as he's sitting down to dinner, and he finds to his horror that his hand smells again. Oh wait, what's this.... quote:At the very start of Return of the Killer Tomatoes, there's a Framing Device wherein the movie is presented as a cheap television showing, complete with phone-in competition. In the first actual scene, George Clooney tosses pizza dough into the air and wanders off to do something else, with the pizza never coming down. In the 'climactic' showdown at the end of the movie, a telephone rings, and it's the presented of the TV spot. Another character comments about how smoothly they paid off the things they set up earlier in the movie...and the pizza falls out of the sky.
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EKDS5k posted:Reading through their brick joke page, it's like they have no idea what a brick joke even is. It's supposed to follow the pattern of having a set up that goes nowhere, and then shows up as the punch line of another, totally unrelated joke. Ideally you're supposed to have forgotten about it in the interim. But they just use it to mean something that shows up more than once. From the "film" section: The issue is that they never really figured out what makes a Brick Joke different to a Chekhov's Gun, since they stress that a Brick Joke doesn't have to be a joke... for some reason. I guess the distinction is that a Chekhov's Gun is something that you write to ensure the audience is constantly aware of it, while the Brick Joke is one where you expect most of the audience to forget about it completely until you mention it? They sure as gently caress don't know the difference.
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Cleretic posted:The issue is that they never really figured out what makes a Brick Joke different to a Chekhov's Gun, since they stress that a Brick Joke doesn't have to be a joke... for some reason. I guess the distinction is that a Chekhov's Gun is something that you write to ensure the audience is constantly aware of it, while the Brick Joke is one where you expect most of the audience to forget about it completely until you mention it? They sure as gently caress don't know the difference. They don't even know what Chekov's gun is anymore, either. Originally it was more like advice for writing a short story: Don't write about something that won't affect the plot, ie, avoid meaningless padding (something else tropers don't seem to get). It only really applies when the narrative deliberately calls attention to something, and then has that thing come back and be important later. It even says so on the trope page, but then they go on to list every instance of something showing up once, and then again later. EKDS5k fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Oct 13, 2013 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:
The bit that irritates me most is that the troper claims that Odysseus "calls her out on it". There is no "calling out" involved. She asks him a question and he answers it. But hey, any opportunity to squeeze in some more community-specific jargon rather than thinking your own thoughts about something.
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EKDS5k posted:They don't even know what Chekov's gun is anymore, either. Originally it was more like advice for writing a short story: Don't write about something that won't affect the plot, ie, avoid meaningless padding (something else tropers don't seem to get). It only really applies when the narrative deliberately calls attention to something, and then has that thing come back and be important later. It even says so on the trope page, but then they go on to list every instance of something showing up once, and then again later. Yeah, they seemed to get the meaning backwards when they heard 'If there is a gun in the first act, it must be fired in the third act'. They reach the same conclusion, but from the wrong direction, which means they make a bunch of incorrect assumptions on the way.
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Hey! It's one of those "you know you..." lists. Let's check it out! On mental health: 311 posted:Your family is bewildered by your constant usage of the words "Angst" and “Snark”. The reason they're bewildered is because of your stunted mind. Also, in that vein: 256 posted:Your parents scheduled an appointment for you with a therapist due to TV Tropes and you got the therapist addicted. 247 posted:You read Anti Poop Socking and try to create a new trope about urinating in your shoes. Woah, are you really trying to outgoon a goon just for the sake of having your own trope? 51 posted:You start thinking of common real life occurrences as tropes, and sort of mentally propose and categorise them: "You Know That Thing Where you think you've turned on the oven, but actually you've just turned on the light...?" This site will literally rot your brain. The unending parade of  :228 posted:You know the true meanings of the words "subvert" "invert" and "avert" and can use them flawlessly in real conversation. Tv Tropes is the last bastion of academic knowledge in the civilized world. 15 posted:If you're a writer: I too, hated my high school literature teacher. 45 posted:You've written a complete character analysis contrasting and exploring the actions of the eponymous characters of The Melancholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya and Madame Bovary. Obscure animu crap that nobody cares about? Check. Namedropping a serious piece of literature that you probably have never read? Check. Plain ol' troping: 83 posted:You will yell out trope names as you watch them on your favorite show...and have people stare at you oddly for it. Those people should be canonized for their patience. 85 posted:You think that having a complimentary reference on TV Tropes is more flattering than being on the New York Times Bestseller list, while your love of a work increases tenfold if it mentions TV Tropes. 312 posted:You literally applaud when reading a fanfic and a character quotes the name of a trope. This list has 321 entries and every one of them is a window into the sad, sad lives of tropers. Seriously, you don't even have to read them all to find the funny bits, the whole thing is a goldmine. DoctorPresident fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Jesus Christ. "Your greatest dream, as a writer, is to be featured on a website that will rip your work to shreds and glue labels to the pieces. In fact, you have written your work so that can easily be dissected instead of trying to tell a good story."
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ArchangeI posted:Jesus Christ. "Your greatest dream, as a writer, is to be featured on a website that will rip your work to shreds and glue labels to the pieces. In fact, you have written your work so that can easily be dissected instead of trying to tell a good story." Well, at least they know how to lie down for when the goons come for 'em.
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DoctorPresident posted:Those people should be canonized for their patience. I like to think the "people" watching TV with them are stuffed animals (that most of them probably violated), anime body pillows, and/or the characters in their minds that they think is real because why cope and do something about the fact that you're a lonely loser when you can pretend you have friends? It worked when you were seven years old.
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Penny Paper posted:I like to think the "people" watching TV with them are stuffed animals (that most of them probably violated), anime body pillows, and/or the characters in their minds that they think is real because why cope and do something about the fact that you're a lonely loser when you can pretend you have friends? It worked when you were seven years old. Man, imagine if Toy Story was real. The group therapy discussions all theses stuffed animals and body pillows would hold would truly be 
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Man, imagine if Toy Story was real. The group therapy discussions all theses stuffed animals and body pillows would hold would truly be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p6LVZFLSfw?
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Analysis: The Good Guys Always Win posted:This trope, The Good Guys Always Win, is fundamentally a rejection of one of The Seven Basic Plots - that is, tragedy. The fact that this trope is so prevalent in our current popular culture sphere indicates that at some point, there was a massive depletion of tragedy. Perhaps this is the result of Moral Guardians in the mid-twentieth century realizing Do Not Do This Cool Thing. After all, a tragedy is based in the main character doing something wrong and being punished for it. A Moral Guardian would reason that the punishment is insufficient to make the "evil" actions unappealing. They might have been provoked into this by the trend of films with Villain Protagonists who are punished at the last moment to appease moral guardians. In any case, we can take The Good Guys Always Win as a severe limitation on story structure. Stories are now unable to focus on unresolved injustice, and stories are now unable to focus on justice being applied to unrighteous protagonists. Stories are now forced to focus on rewards being applied to righteous protagonists through exertion of their effort. This might be linked to the relentless positivity of modern-day Western "nice" discourse, wherein constructive criticism is taken to mean "praise of what deserves praise", children are taught that "no", "bad", "wrong", and "dumb" are bad words, and "if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all" is the rule. Tropers complaining about other people thinking "constructive criticism" is just praise Tell me more about how the drat Moral Guardians teaching kids that "no" is a bad word is the reason Harry Potter doesn't end with Voldemort killing everyone and ruling the world forever.
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TV Tropes, what is Crime and Punishment like?quote:Inspector Javert: Porfiry; it's a peculiar version, though, as Raskolnikov has not been Wrongly Accused: he is guilty. ...so was Val Jean, right? Why is Javert a trope and why is Porfiry not like him? quote:Break the Haughty: Arguably, Raskolnikov. The hell is this trying to say about anything? quote:The Power of Love: Nihilism and pride fuel most of the actions of the book. This is the only thing that stands in their way. It's enough. I don't know if they actually read the drat book because it's about a hell of a lot more than just love. quote:Tsarist Russia: The story takes place during the reign of Tsar Alexander III.  is everything a trope?
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crowfeathers posted:
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crowfeathers posted:...so was Val Jean, right? Why is Javert a trope and why is Porfiry not like him? This is kind of an important thing to mention here because it needs to be said that Tropers as a whole do not actually read, listen, or watch most media made before 1977, they read plot synopses on wikipedia or rely on cultural osmosis to codify what "everyone knows" about most classical works.
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Rambling Robot posted:Even my reply is a trope. Oh, you, stop being such a Main/GrumpyBear
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This list is mostly trolling, right? They're not seriously dropping cliches in their work so that a website will write a couple lines that say 'they dropped a cliche in there and had someone go "Wow, what a cliche this is!", trope lampshaded!'.
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quote:6. If anyone criticizes something, you tell them, "Stop Complaining About Shows You Don't Like." tvtropes.txt quote:82. You have drawn Trope-tan fanart.  We are an artists 
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Lottery of Babylon posted:tvtropes.txt You know they hosed up the Japanese in that picture It says Tsuropu-tan Also, their タ is really hosed up
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Djeser posted:This list is mostly trolling, right? They're not seriously dropping cliches in their work so that a website will write a couple lines that say 'they dropped a cliche in there and had someone go "Wow, what a cliche this is!", trope lampshaded!'. If you've read fiction by a troper (and there's no good reason you should have), you'd know sometimes the characters actually mention tropes by name. This is known as "hanging a lampshade" or more commonly "loving stupid."
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You think you're "a writer," but you never write anything because all you know are clichés? I think this one might have Tropers figured out after all! [/quote] I liked "You dream of the day your writing has a page on TVTropes." Since Civilian Tom and a bunch of other Tropers just sit around writing poo poo on trope pages for their own unpublished bullshit. crowfeathers posted:If you've read fiction by a troper (and there's no good reason you should have), you'd know sometimes the characters actually mention tropes by name. This is known as "hanging a lampshade" or more commonly "loving stupid." It's all over Anime Is The Tie That Binds Us. I'm pretty sure a character in MCAC just straight up called someone a "Type B Tsundere" at some point.
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I decided to look up Gulliver's Travels to see how badly they misunderstood it. On the whole it's not too bad but several things caught my eye:quote:Always Chaotic Evil: The Yahoos. How in any way does this make sense, unless you think all chimpanzees (or some other primate close to humans but lacking reason) are evil? Does This Remind You of Anything? posted:One passage from the third voyage was cut when the book was first published because it was such a transparent pro-Irish allegory of Britain's conquest and oppression of that country. Swift was Anglo-Irish, born in Dublin to ancestrally English parents, but knew and sympathized with the plight of the Catholic majority; he wrote the original A Modest Proposal as a direct attack on English methods in Ireland. Well, this is a gross simplification of Swift's attitude to Ireland (he was an Anglican dean who supported legislation that discriminated against Catholics and Dissenters, he generally praised the English settlers and gentlemen of Ireland while disdaining the poor with the exception of A Modest Proposal, and he wrote to Bolingbroke complaining that he would "die here [Dublin] in a rage like a poisoned rat in a hole"), but it's not the worst thing on the page I guess. Trope: Humans are the real monsters (not actually a poor understanding of the fourth book's nuances except this bit: posted:It's possible that Swift was critiquing humans through the supernatural human beings he created just as much as the humans in the book. The Houyhnhnms arguably represent the Enlightenment, who in Swift's view were an ancient day Hipster, thinking themselves morally superior to anyone else, but maybe not as perfect as they seem. Houyhnhnms represent the opposite of "the Enlightenment", if anything, since modern science is satirized heavily in the third book and they are shown to live rationally through classical means (i.e.: their society resembles the ancient Greek culture that the neoclassicists, including Swift, idealized and contrasted with the poverty of "modern" literature and thought). This is even acknowledged later on the page. There is some implicit criticism of the Houyhnhnms in there but it isn't based on them being "hipsters" for gently caress's sake, it's either based on the sterility of their world (a satirist like Swift can't exist in his ideal world as there is nothing to make fun of), their hypocrisy (the stated practices of their society are sometimes contradicted by their narrative actions), or the fact they contemplate the genocide of lesser species. the number of tropes on this page about Gulliver pissing on the palace posted:Complaining About Rescues They Don't Like: When the Empress's apartment is on fire, Gulliver saves her by urinating on it. The Empress, in return, refuses to live there again. Yes, we get it. Also, why do you have so many tropes about defecating you loving perverts? YMMV posted:Alternative Character Interpretation - Why should we listen to the Houyhnhnm? They're horses, who gives a crap? Wow, the first sentence would be a good question from a critical standpoint, if you hadn't missed the whole point of them not being humans. WMG posted:Gulliver may have found a version of Equestria 
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Moby-Dick posted:Heterosexual Life-Partners: Ishmael and Queequeg's relationship is either this or Ho Yay. Anyway, thanks to this I now know that Giant Squid is a trope.
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Smoking Crow posted:You know they hosed up the Japanese in that picture It's not like it was written by anyone who speaks any Japanese. Also the last syllable looks more like a "so" than a "n," so arguably it's Tsuropu Taso. What the hell is "tan" anyway? It's not any honouriffic or diminuative that I've ever heard, and it doesn't sound like any common girls' names.
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