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Humboldt Squid
Jan 21, 2006

Thanks for the help guys! :)

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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

demonR6 posted:

What's your filter intake like? I had one who liked to rest against the filter and found his tail shredded to poo poo one day. Some who have longer fins get fed up and chomp on it too. I read that once in a betta forum.. tailbiters.

It's very unlikely to be the filter. It's a hob with a sponge prefilter on the intake. I've had this betta and another in this tank for years now without anything like this. Guess I'll have to look into tail biting.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007


Okay back to the betta, on a question not related to the fins. Metallic pigments! When I got him back in... April? his eyes were completely clear and black. Now you might be able to see that the metallic pigment is covering a lot of his eye. It started from the top. Now it's pretty much a lower crescent of the eye that isnt covered with the pigment. He still seems to be okay with finding food and responding to visual stimulis. Should I worry about this?

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

So I've just had a platy die after have 3 and a Cory in my new tank for about a week. All the levels seen to be fine, but is there anything I should be looking into.

Not sure if it's a case of over feeding or just fish acclimating to the tank or what. Being that I only have the 3 fish right now, I'm also wondering if it's too soon to consider adding more fish to the tank. It's a 20 gallon. So I was thinking of going up to 2 Cory's and 5 platys for now.

I also know I'm supposed to switch out about 25% of the water once a week. Should I be holding off a few more days because it's a new tank, or should I do exactly that?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


w00tmonger posted:

So I've just had a platy die after have 3 and a Cory in my new tank for about a week. All the levels seen to be fine, but is there anything I should be looking into.

Not sure if it's a case of over feeding or just fish acclimating to the tank or what. Being that I only have the 3 fish right now, I'm also wondering if it's too soon to consider adding more fish to the tank. It's a 20 gallon. So I was thinking of going up to 2 Cory's and 5 platys for now.

I also know I'm supposed to switch out about 25% of the water once a week. Should I be holding off a few more days because it's a new tank, or should I do exactly that?

It might just be weak fish depending where you got them from. If the tank is truly brand new I would perhaps wait on anymore fish other than a school of rosy minnows to really kick start the process. You have a really low biomass for your tank so that's most likely not the issue.

demonR6
Sep 4, 2012

There are too many stupid people in the world. I'm not saying we should kill them all or anything. Just take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself.

Lipstick Apathy

SynthOrange posted:

Okay back to the betta, on a question not related to the fins. Metallic pigments! When I got him back in... April? his eyes were completely clear and black. Now you might be able to see that the metallic pigment is covering a lot of his eye. It started from the top. Now it's pretty much a lower crescent of the eye that isnt covered with the pigment. He still seems to be okay with finding food and responding to visual stimulis. Should I worry about this?

I am not too familiar with Dragonscale bettas.. they are a fairly new hybrid aren't they? I can check on the betta forums and ask around.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

w00tmonger posted:

I also know I'm supposed to switch out about 25% of the water once a week. Should I be holding off a few more days because it's a new tank, or should I do exactly that?

There is debate about water changes during cycling, but I saw a pretty convincing experiment that ultimately concluded that water changes help keep ammonia levels low enough not to stress fish, but high enough not to slow down the cycling. I would say keep it up, and worst case scenario expect a slightly longer cycling period. A safer one though.

demonR6
Sep 4, 2012

There are too many stupid people in the world. I'm not saying we should kill them all or anything. Just take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself.

Lipstick Apathy
I think 25% would be a safe bet but even the 33% that I normally do it not bad. You are not removing 100% of the ammonia with a 25% water change. Let it go for another week and the residual ammonia level has now increased by X amount beyond the level prior to your first water change. That continues to compound itself and then you end up with the "oh poo poo my ammonia level is through the roof!"

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

w00tmonger posted:

So I've just had a platy die after have 3 and a Cory in my new tank for about a week. All the levels seen to be fine, but is there anything I should be looking into.

Not sure if it's a case of over feeding or just fish acclimating to the tank or what. Being that I only have the 3 fish right now, I'm also wondering if it's too soon to consider adding more fish to the tank. It's a 20 gallon. So I was thinking of going up to 2 Cory's and 5 platys for now.

I also know I'm supposed to switch out about 25% of the water once a week. Should I be holding off a few more days because it's a new tank, or should I do exactly that?

Did you add any of the supplements to cycle the tank? If not, water changes could set you back in going through the nitrogen cycle.

If don't know what I'm talking about at all, just say so and we'll walk you through it.

When you do add more fish I vote cories. They are schooling fish that get :smith: when kept alone.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

demonR6 posted:

I am not too familiar with Dragonscale bettas.. they are a fairly new hybrid aren't they? I can check on the betta forums and ask around.

There are some betta hybrids, but 'dragonscale' is like crowntail, combtail, etc, just another version of B speldens.

Malalol
Apr 4, 2007

I spent $1,000 on my computer but I'm too "poor" to take my dog or any of my animals to the vet for vet care. My neglect caused 1 of my birds to die prematurely! My dog pisses everywhere! I don't care! I'm a piece of shit! Don't believe me? Check my post history in Pet Island!
Its a scaling difference instead of tail shape.. just thicker pigment on top of the betta. Which sometimes causes the pigmentation to grow all over the eye :( I see it a lot in white bettas/dragons. Shouldnt be a big issue unless its really really bad (covers all of the eye)

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

I'm really digging lacrosse's tanks in the OP, anyone know what's in it?

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
One of the nice things about living in Korea is you can get really nice pieces of Malay driftwood for ridiculous prices.



8$

Fusillade
Mar 31, 2012

...and her

BIG FAT BASS

Xun posted:

I'm really digging lacrosse's tanks in the OP, anyone know what's in it?

I can't comment on the specific inverts, fish, and plants in them, but that style of maintaining a planted aquarium in a (typically) small volume where the plants and critters balance each other is often called a Walstad aquarium.

Also, envy on the cheap driftwood! Even used pieces will prompt bidding wars at aquarium auctions here, since so many people are into dwarf SA cichlids.

I actually picked up a female green (wild-type) severum lady. She and Butterscotch are friendly, but she'll need a few more weeks of conditioning before we can expect any romance.

Eye candy: Got an 8" plate or pie pan lying around? Butterscotch would just BARELY fit on it! The not-so-lil lady is camping out behind him.


Fusillade fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Oct 27, 2013

Chido
Dec 7, 2003

Butterflies fluttering on my face!

My pond snail invasion is turning into infestation :(. I feel so tempted to take all the gravel out and boil it to kill them, but I don't know if that's a good idea. It's a 5 gallon tank, so there isn't much gravel to deal with, but I can't add any more fish, already maxed the capacity at 6 guppies/endler's livebearers and one nerite snail. Any suggestions on how to get rid of them without killing my plants and fish?

Whale Cancer
Jun 25, 2004

Chido posted:

My pond snail invasion is turning into infestation :(. I feel so tempted to take all the gravel out and boil it to kill them, but I don't know if that's a good idea. It's a 5 gallon tank, so there isn't much gravel to deal with, but I can't add any more fish, already maxed the capacity at 6 guppies/endler's livebearers and one nerite snail. Any suggestions on how to get rid of them without killing my plants and fish?

Get an assassin snail.


My driftwood is leaking lovely lovely tannis into my tank and I absolutely love it. I'm thinking about going ahead and making it a blackwater tank.

Chido
Dec 7, 2003

Butterflies fluttering on my face!

Whale Cancer posted:

Get an assassin snail.


I googled it seems it might eat my nerite snail too :(.

Whale Cancer
Jun 25, 2004

Your tank is pretty small so you might try baiting them out ever day for a while. That's your only non-lethal option. The only other way is to put snail killers in there. Since you can't add any other fish, like loaches, the last option is an assassin snail.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Whale Cancer posted:

Your tank is pretty small so you might try baiting them out ever day for a while. That's your only non-lethal option. The only other way is to put snail killers in there. Since you can't add any other fish, like loaches, the last option is an assassin snail.

Yeah, you can bait them with Zucchini. Just put a slice in overnight and in the morning it will be covered with snails.

Whale Cancer
Jun 25, 2004

You can cut the bottom off of a pop bottle and put our zucchini in that to make it a little easier. then take it outside and kill them with fire!

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Well, I guess I didn't change my water correctly. I have 1 of my 2 corys basically sitting still out of sight, and a platy that is currently barely moving on the bottom of my tank...

I did another water change to bring down the ammonia levels, and it seems like they are good, but us there anything else I should be trying to do here? As far as I can tell these 2 are goners.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

w00tmonger, you never answered this. We need more info to help you.

Dantu posted:

Did you add any of the supplements to cycle the tank? If not, water changes could set you back in going through the nitrogen cycle.

If don't know what I'm talking about at all, just say so and we'll walk you through it.

When you do add more fish I vote cories. They are schooling fish that get :smith: when kept alone.

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
Stop what you're doing. Get a regulated C02 system. My plants look like they're mainlining Cialis and Viagra cocktails.







Only been running for about 5 days and the hair algae disappeared overnight. The algae that remains is just lifting off of wherever it's attached where it used to be lifting it would pull up the plants it had tangled around. I'm actually planning on upgrading to a larger tank. The Frogbit is only there to kill current and help combat the algae. The hairgrass seems to have doubled in 4 days. Can't wait until the last of the algae clears up.

1 Male betta and 4 very fat and sassy otto cats.

Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Oct 28, 2013

demonR6
Sep 4, 2012

There are too many stupid people in the world. I'm not saying we should kill them all or anything. Just take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself.

Lipstick Apathy
Once you notice the snails multiplying, it is too late. Baiting them will only make things better for a little while. Once they are there in numbers it means they are reproducing nicely and for every 100 you capture there are equally as many little snail egg pouches all over every surface of your tank. I spent a good solid month of baiting snails in a very effective traps removing dozens and dozens of eggs. I added assassin snails, a clown loach, removed plants. Nothing short of nuking the tank and starting over but the snails persist. Drop dozens of assassins in there and sure they will help but just like the loach they will only go after them once they are a suitable size for them to snack on, they won't eat every single snail they encounter and even then I have two assassins who prefer the damned algae wafers I feed the cories so that can backfire on your as well. If you nuke the tank, start over with new gravel, if you have live plants bid them farewell and hot water with a 10-15% bleach solution will take care of the remaining snail sacs that hide on the glass.

There is a reason the thread tag mentions runaway snail infestations.. they are like roaches.

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Dantu posted:

w00tmonger, you never answered this. We need more info to help you.

My bad. I had assumed at the time that I had a weak fish as I had done a water change and added the couple solutions to our mentioned at the store (I believe a de-chlorinator, bio agent and an anti algae).

Did some googling after the post and decided to check the ammonia levels which were quite high considering I had done the water change. Did another water change properly, making sure to drudge up the gravel a bit this time and the levels dropped down to where they should be. Sadly I caught it a bit late and the platy died, but the Cory has recovered as of this morning and it's behaving like a boss. I think the whole mess occurred due to a bad water change as I don't think I tried knocking around the gravel the first time.


Edit: On a side note, I wanted to add some plants at some point in the future to my tank, and have considered switching my substrate to something with a finer grain or possibly sand. What is involved in switching the gravel/adding plants to a tank? I know the gravel is a large factor in maintaining the bacteria on the tank, so would it just be a case of letting the new stuff sit in some of the tanks water for a couple of weeks?

w00tmonger fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Oct 28, 2013

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

w00tmonger posted:

My bad. I had assumed at the time that I had a weak fish as I had done a water change and added the couple solutions to our mentioned at the store (I believe a de-chlorinator, bio agent and an anti algae).

Did some googling after the post and decided to check the ammonia levels which were quite high considering I had done the water change. Did another water change properly, making sure to drudge up the gravel a bit this time and the levels dropped down to where they should be. Sadly I caught it a bit late and the platy died, but the Cory has recovered as of this morning and it's behaving like a boss. I think the whole mess occurred due to a bad water change as I don't think I tried knocking around the gravel the first time.


Edit: On a side note, I wanted to add some plants at some point in the future to my tank, and have considered switching my substrate to something with a finer grain or possibly sand. What is involved in switching the gravel/adding plants to a tank? I know the gravel is a large factor in maintaining the bacteria on the tank, so would it just be a case of letting the new stuff sit in some of the tanks water for a couple of weeks?

The issue is whether or not the tank has cycled yet. When you setup a new tank there isn't much in the way of nitrifying bacteria yet. When you add fish they produce waste, which causes an ammonium spike (technically fish waste contains ammonia which turns into ammonium in the water). This allows the first batch of bacteria to build up and they turn it into Nitrite. This produces a batch of bacteria that break that down into Nitrate. Nitrate is either taken up by plants as food, or removed during partial water changes.

The problem is if you don't let the process happen it just keeps restarting so you will always have dangerous levels of ammonia and nitrite. IE, perpetually stressed and sick fish.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Look on the plus side of a snail infestation Chido, you've got a ready source of snacks for the chickens.

Snail infestations can be controlled, but it'll be a long term project if you're not using biological controls like loaches or assassins. They're reproducing because there's an abundance of excess food. It can be because they're eating up all the fish waste and extra algae around that piled up before there were any creatures around to eat them, and there's also excess feeding. Cutting down on the food available to the snails means making sure your fish are eating all they are fed, and waiting for the pest snails to finish off their existing food supplies. You'll slowly see a drop in their numbers.

I've got an ongoing population of pest limpets in both tanks. The larger tank has a population of chain loaches that keep them under control. The small tank has no predators, but the situation has never gotten as bad as it was in the large tank where the limpets were basically covering every surface available until I got the loaches. Because the small tank houses only malaysian trumpet snails and shrimp which are both really good scavengers, the limpets hardly get any food at all.

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Dantu posted:

The issue is whether or not the tank has cycled yet. When you setup a new tank there isn't much in the way of nitrifying bacteria yet. When you add fish they produce waste, which causes an ammonium spike (technically fish waste contains ammonia which turns into ammonium in the water). This allows the first batch of bacteria to build up and they turn it into Nitrite. This produces a batch of bacteria that break that down into Nitrate. Nitrate is either taken up by plants as food, or removed during partial water changes.

The problem is if you don't let the process happen it just keeps restarting so you will always have dangerous levels of ammonia and nitrite. IE, perpetually stressed and sick fish.

I figured as much, and I had the tank sitting for a couple of weeks (arguably should have waited longer). It was a case of having waaay to much ammonia in the tank, and Ill be keeping an eye on it to make sure it doesn't spike.

Squish
Nov 22, 2007

Unrelenting.
Lipstick Apathy

demonR6 posted:

If you nuke the tank, start over with new gravel, if you have live plants bid them farewell and hot water with a 10-15% bleach solution will take care of the remaining snail sacs that hide on the glass.

There is a reason the thread tag mentions runaway snail infestations.. they are like roaches.

Fuckin' aquarium herpes. That's the best description of these annoying bastards if I ever heard of one. When I moved, I nuked the whole tank, and I boiled the gravel meticulously. I actually killed a couple of my plants by dipping them in boiling water which, as it turns out, is a dumb thing to do :saddowns:.

For a few months, I thought I had them under control; I was horribly mistaken.

So... Snail killers. I can't get assassins in Australia, and I don't want another loach. The new plan is to use as much baiting/restricted feeding as possible to thin them out to minimum levels, and then use snail killers. There is an angel, a goldfish and a bristlenose or two in there.

Is this going to be as dumb as burning my plants?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Snail killers are mostly copper based products, which aquatic invertebrates tolerate very poorly. So great if you never intend to keep other kinds of snails or shrimp in the tank.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

w00tmonger posted:

I figured as much, and I had the tank sitting for a couple of weeks (arguably should have waited longer). It was a case of having waaay to much ammonia in the tank, and Ill be keeping an eye on it to make sure it doesn't spike.

You have to let it spike. And then go down on its own. Then let nitrite spike and go down on its own. Then let nitrate spike and go down on its own.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

demonR6 posted:

Once you notice the snails multiplying, it is too late. Baiting them will only make things better for a little while. Once they are there in numbers it means they are reproducing nicely and for every 100 you capture there are equally as many little snail egg pouches all over every surface of your tank. I spent a good solid month of baiting snails in a very effective traps removing dozens and dozens of eggs. I added assassin snails, a clown loach, removed plants. Nothing short of nuking the tank and starting over but the snails persist. Drop dozens of assassins in there and sure they will help but just like the loach they will only go after them once they are a suitable size for them to snack on, they won't eat every single snail they encounter and even then I have two assassins who prefer the damned algae wafers I feed the cories so that can backfire on your as well. If you nuke the tank, start over with new gravel, if you have live plants bid them farewell and hot water with a 10-15% bleach solution will take care of the remaining snail sacs that hide on the glass.

There is a reason the thread tag mentions runaway snail infestations.. they are like roaches.

I didn't find this to be the case. I probably had several hundred in tank before I added 3 assassins. Now I have maybe 10 assassins and less than 10 visible pond snails at any time. They seem to have reached equilibrium, YMMV of course.

I do have some assassins that prefer algae wafers though :3:

demonR6
Sep 4, 2012

There are too many stupid people in the world. I'm not saying we should kill them all or anything. Just take the warning labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself.

Lipstick Apathy
My 20 L infestation has dropped considerably with only trapping and cutting back on feeding. Since that is a shrimp only except for one Oto I can cut back the food considerably and everyone will survive. My 50 tank though is a tougher issue to tackle because the mix of fish. The cories only eat bottom feeder pellets so I have to drop in enough for the entire school. The clown loach will eat snails and wafers. The Otos need a wafer as well. The Cardinal Tetra school and CPD school both eat flakes but gently caress my life if they don't eat the stuff when I drop it in, I have to stick my fingers in and swirl it so it disperses and they catch flakes on the way down. The Cards will go after it aggressively and the CPD's hang back and catch it if it makes it to them so I end up having to spread the food all over to try and get them to eat. The German Blues will eat anything. The shrimp I don't worry about since they scavenge. Plenty of leftover food for the snails who are everywhere. I am trapping but even hundreds at a time they still reproduce like rabbits. Just gotta live with it in some situations.

Chido
Dec 7, 2003

Butterflies fluttering on my face!

Well, I'm planning on dumping the gravel into a bucket of hot water to kill the snails in it, and I'll see if I can safely remove my anubia from the driftwood I have, so I can boil the wood too. I did a google search about how to kill snails in plants, and a couple of sites mentioned using aquarium salt or alum, and basically dip the plants in the water with either of them. I really don't wanna get rid of my plants, this anubia and a java fern are the only two plants I've managed to keep alive and that have actually grown. Still, I see so much waste in the gravel that I'm getting worried using a gravel vacuum every week might stress my fish.

Also, I have 6 tiny fish and I know I'm overfeeding them. How much flake food should I actually feed them, and how often?

Extra Smooth Balls
Apr 13, 2005

Chido posted:

Well, I'm planning on dumping the gravel into a bucket of hot water to kill the snails in it, and I'll see if I can safely remove my anubia from the driftwood I have, so I can boil the wood too. I did a google search about how to kill snails in plants, and a couple of sites mentioned using aquarium salt or alum, and basically dip the plants in the water with either of them. I really don't wanna get rid of my plants, this anubia and a java fern are the only two plants I've managed to keep alive and that have actually grown. Still, I see so much waste in the gravel that I'm getting worried using a gravel vacuum every week might stress my fish.

Also, I have 6 tiny fish and I know I'm overfeeding them. How much flake food should I actually feed them, and how often?

I think the rule of thumb is "as much as they can eat in two minutes". I generally give my white mountain minnows a couple of crumbled up flakes at a time and wait till they've finished before putting more in.

Whale Cancer
Jun 25, 2004

I remember when I was setting up my 10 gallon and planting it I came to the tank one day and out of nowwhere I had what seemed like hundreds of pond snails. I added 3 dwarf puffers, which I planned on doing anyway, and it was a snail holocaust. The substrate turned from eco complete to dead ramshorns. I tried breeding them in the tank after that and they couldnt competew with the puffers. If I ever do another massively planted tank it will definitely be a puffer tank.

Extra Smooth Balls
Apr 13, 2005

Talking of snails I just noticed that my red ramshorns have been doing the nasty and my glass is covered in baby snails. :ohdear:

daggerdragon
Jan 22, 2006

My titan engine can kick your titan engine's ass.

Whale Cancer posted:

I remember when I was setting up my 10 gallon and planting it I came to the tank one day and out of nowwhere I had what seemed like hundreds of pond snails. I added 3 dwarf puffers, which I planned on doing anyway, and it was a snail holocaust. The substrate turned from eco complete to dead ramshorns. I tried breeding them in the tank after that and they couldnt competew with the puffers. If I ever do another massively planted tank it will definitely be a puffer tank.

Snailocaust :haw:

Fusillade
Mar 31, 2012

...and her

BIG FAT BASS
Tiny tragedy, my goodeids dropped a stillborn fry. Water needs hardening and increased pH. Water temps could stand to be a bit higher, too. The adults were and still are so perky that I made the mistake of thinking the water parameters were fine.

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candywife
Mar 3, 2011
I have some neat small pieces of beach driftwood that I'd like to throw in my tank for my pleco to nibble on.
I've been boiling them off and on for a few hours now, but I'm not sure exactly how long to boil or soak the wood since all the information I've found online varies from "Boil it for 15 minutes" to "Boil 12 hours, soak 2 weeks".
I would be absolutely heartbroken if I somehow killed off my massive goldfish or bristlenose from throwing in driftwood that wasn't okay.
I feel like all the saltwater has been boiled out but the water is still tinted like weak tea every time I change it and reboil. Would the tannins hurt my fish? How can I tell if all the salt water is out of the wood?

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