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Febreeze posted:I should finally pay close attention to this since it looks like the Giants are drafting top 5. While I'd be down with the Clown I think I'd prefer an OT if this is a good year for them. Maybe trade down to some desperate team in need of a QB. Minnesota's in the same place. This season has become a dumpster fire unusually fast for Minnesota (and New York). Anyways, Thanks Bewbies for making the thread. My contribution:
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Declan MacManus posted:Logan Thomas' arm isn't credible enough for that offense. Accuracy on short routes to keep teams from stacking the box is more important than being able to heave it downfield (which is nice but not as necessary), as is the ability to get the ball out quickly. I'd say the Eagles are more likely to take whichever of Boyd or Manziel drops to them in the second if they're going to hold out for a defensive guy in the first. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Oct 24, 2013 |
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Carr's putting up pretty excellent numbers for Fresno State this year and reports on him from an attitude/work ethic perspective seem universally positive, but there will be LoC questions and I haven't watched any of their games this year so I couldn't make an accurate scouting report on him at all from a physical perspective. I'm so fascinated to see what happens with Manziel. To me he just looks like a disaster waiting to happen at the pro level with how often he walks the razor's edge on every busted play. Somehow he comes out smelling like a rose more often than not at A&M but with the massive jump in athleticism on defense in the NFL I just don't buy that it will translate. And that's without even getting into the off-field poo poo.
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I'm surprised Jarvis Landry didn't make the list; great route-runner and catches everything. Reminds me a lot of Anquan Bolden in how he attacks the ball. I mean, look at him: SteelAngel2000 posted:Spoilers: The Texans will draft Johnny Football I actually want this to happen.
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Christmas came early this year! Thanks Bewbies!Declan MacManus posted:Great OP, except Sammy Watkins plays for Clemson, not Syracuse Oh thank god. I thought I was going crazy. Grozz Nuy posted:I'm so fascinated to see what happens with Manziel. To me he just looks like a disaster waiting to happen at the pro level with how often he walks the razor's edge on every busted play. Somehow he comes out smelling like a rose more often than not at A&M but with the massive jump in athleticism on defense in the NFL I just don't buy that it will translate. And that's without even getting into the off-field poo poo. The Alabama games this year and last year have convinced me that he'll be able to translate that pocket scrambling to the NFL. They're the best/most talented defense in CFB and he ran circles around them. Not all of that will cross over, but that pocket ability he has almost certainly will. Relentlessboredomm fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Oct 24, 2013 |
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bhsman posted:I'm surprised Jarvis Landry didn't make the list; great route-runner and catches everything. Reminds me a lot of Anquan Bolden in how he attacks the ball. All I see is a defensive back who can't hold onto a sure-fire interception despite interfering with the catch.
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Grozz Nuy posted:Carr's putting up pretty excellent numbers for Fresno State this year and reports on him from an attitude/work ethic perspective seem universally positive, but there will be LoC questions and I haven't watched any of their games this year so I couldn't make an accurate scouting report on him at all from a physical perspective. Manziel makes his bones off of throwing jump balls to Mike Evans when he's in trouble, so as long as you have a big, physical wide receiver who can muscle players out of the way ala Anquan Boldin there's no reason he can't find some degree of success. I'd really be interested to see how his game would look if he had, say, Calvin Johnson or Vernon Davis to throw to.
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bhsman posted:I actually want this to happen. I kinda do too. But I also kinda want us to take Carr just for the -storm. Give him #8.
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Arschlochkind posted:I kinda do too. But I also kinda want us to take Carr just for the -storm. Give him #8. Nah, the plan is to draft Manziel and give him the #1 jersey so the old grumpy fans still upset at the "Bulls on Parade" meme will be even more upset.
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# ? Oct 24, 2013 07:33 |
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We play Derek Carr this weekend and I am terrified
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# ? Oct 24, 2013 07:51 |
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Great OP as always, thanks Bewbies. The giants have a lot of other needs but now I really just want them to draft HaHa Clinton-Dix and Boo Boo Gates so that we can have our starting safeties be HaHa and Boo Boo, I don't really give a poo poo if they're any good.
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It is really goddamn amazing/sad that Washington players are listed as decent prospects at WR, RB and TE and yet two out of those three haven't produced much at all in the offense this year. To be honest I'm gonna feel sorry for the team that drafts Kasen Williams, dude has just not lived up to the hype at all and is almost an afterthought in our offense at the college level. Can't see him being even a decent factor in the NFL.
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I take issue with one thing in your evaluations, bewbies: Bishop Sankey's an incredible name and all, but how can you sit there and tell me that it beats out Lache Seastrunk?
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wheez the roux posted:Andrew Furney, Kicker, Washington State In case you thought this was a joke post, I would put him as one of the top kicking prospects in the country. No, kickers will never go in high rounds, but he has a goddamn laser rocket leg and probably a long career in the pros ahead of him. Unlike anyone else at Wazzu. Go Cougs
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Grozz Nuy posted:I take issue with one thing in your evaluations, bewbies: Bishop Sankey's an incredible name and all, but how can you sit there and tell me that it beats out Lache Seastrunk? How do you pronounce that? I hope it's "luh-Shay Sea-strunk". As somebody who is only qualified to judge prospects based on their names, I gotta say, we've got some real good ones this year.
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Declan MacManus posted:Great OP, except Sammy Watkins plays for Clemson, not Syracuse You know, I even wrote that up while watching the Clemson game last weekend. Derp
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Yo Where is my man Trey Burton?
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bewbies posted:You know, I even wrote that up while watching the Clemson game last weekend. Derp To be fair they played each other and they both wear orange. troofs posted:How do you pronounce that? I hope it's "luh-Shay Sea-strunk". It's pronounced like Lake. That may be better or worse depending on your predilection for water-based puns (he also used to play for the Ducks).
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I'm guessing you burned out on the name comments because my man....you missed Clowney and Dix
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# ? Oct 24, 2013 14:50 |
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Just saw that Mcshay now has Mariota ahead of Bridgewater at the #2 spot. Interesting...
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bewbies posted:Just saw that Mcshay now has Mariota ahead of Bridgewater at the #2 spot. Interesting... Mariota's got better physical tools even if he doesn't have the mechanics down and plays in a much tougher conference than Bridgewater. I think Bridgewater's going to look way better at the combine and stay ahead of Mariota for good but I can understand why McShay might waffle.
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Thank God there are a million QB prospects this year. Hopefully we ca trade up for Boyd or Carr will fall to us.
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bewbies posted:Just saw that Mcshay now has Mariota ahead of Bridgewater at the #2 spot. Interesting... If you think that's interesting Bucky Brooks has Mariota at #1 then Manziel, Winston, Bridgewater, and Carr in that order. Winston is a redshirt Freshman, which confuses me. Anyway, Mariota has the NFL arm and build, he just has crappy footwork that's going to lead to a lot of off-kilter passes. I don't think he's even seen pressure this year outside of the California game. I'd like to see him play UCLA first and Stanford first before I even put him above Hundley.
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Do you guys think Mariota, Hundley, and Manziel will all come out this year? They are all RS-Soph. I can't even think of the last top QB prospect that was a RS-Soph to come out.
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Vick is the only one I can remember. e: Oh, and Todd Marinovich.
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Texans fan here...it's been a couple of years since I've posted in this thread so early into the season. I look forward to posting alongside Giants, Jaguars, Browns, Vikings and Bucs fans. Whose someone the Texans can reasonably expect to drop to the 5-8 position at quarterback? And don't you loving dare say Derek Carr.
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This is something from a couple years ago I thought was interesting. It's an analysis of how much a pick is worth (e.g., for trading picks). If anyone has anything newer along these lines I'd like to see it. I don't watch the draft but I love to look at past drafts and scouting reports with the benefit of hindsight. http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
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wandler20 posted:Do you guys think Mariota, Hundley, and Manziel will all come out this year? They are all RS-Soph. I can't even think of the last top QB prospect that was a RS-Soph to come out. No. Never happens. Players go back all the time and most of the time it's beyond frustrating. Luck was the most inexplicable one of recent memory, but Locker was right behind him too. Players need to stop being afraid of not being picked first overall or slipping to the second.
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Mariota will be steamrolled in the title game by the soul crushing Alabama machine of death and unfathomable sadness and go back for chance to do it all over again next year.
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Febreeze posted:I should finally pay close attention to this since it looks like the Giants are drafting top 5. While I'd be down with the Clown I think I'd prefer an OT if this is a good year for them. Maybe trade down to some desperate team in need of a QB. I'm 100% down with Clown but barring that, this dude seems ideal at the other tackle spot: bewbies posted:Cyrus Koundjio, Alabama, 1st
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Doltos posted:No. Chances are that any of these guys peak might be the second QB taken, that is if Winston continues his brilliant play. Should be interesting to see how this all unfolds.
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Sadly burton doesn't have a real nfl position but he's an awesome utility guy. 6'3 225 lbs runs in the 4.59 range and not only has great hands but can throw block and rush the ball when needed. Awesome op Bewbies. Miami is going to be staring down tackles and guards this year. Again. Also so many players with one year contracts we won't know their other places of need til week 14 or so. As it stands I think we try to lock up Brent grimes for 3 years he has been great for us.
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Boosh! posted:I'm 100% down with Clown but barring that, this dude seems ideal at the other tackle spot: I disagree with Bewbie's assessment on Koundjio. I see him as more of a guard and I don't see any capability as a pass blocker. He seems like a pulling RG or an Iupati type if he were to go to the left side. I'd rather have Matthews.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:Sadly burton doesn't have a real nfl position but he's an awesome utility guy. 6'3 225 lbs runs in the 4.59 range and not only has great hands but can throw block and rush the ball when needed. I see Burton declaring as a TE. I see a smart team drafting him and being happy. It won't be us oh god he's gonna be a Patriot
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Kirios posted:Texans fan here...it's been a couple of years since I've posted in this thread so early into the season. I look forward to posting alongside Giants, Jaguars, Browns, Vikings and Bucs fans. Whose someone the Texans can reasonably expect to drop to the 5-8 position at quarterback? JFF. But probably someone like Boyd if not Mariota. Even then we could stand to wait until the second round and pick up someone like Fales, Mettenberger or Murray.
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Ehud posted:I see Burton declaring as a TE. Too small and bad blocker. Wait a minute I said this exact thing last year about Jordan reed didn't i
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wandler20 posted:Do you guys think Mariota, Hundley, and Manziel will all come out this year? They are all RS-Soph. I can't even think of the last top QB prospect that was a RS-Soph to come out. Manziel has certainly indicated in both behavior and words that he will, but things can change and you're right in that it's unusual that all of the talked about underclassman actually do declare in any given. Probably worth noting that Bridgewater as a true junior is no more of a lock than these three to declare either.
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pangstrom posted:This is something from a couple years ago I thought was interesting. It's an analysis of how much a pick is worth (e.g., for trading picks). If anyone has anything newer along these lines I'd like to see it. I don't watch the draft but I love to look at past drafts and scouting reports with the benefit of hindsight. http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/ This is amazing. Thanks for posting it, everyone should take a look at it.
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Manziel is so banged up right now that he is currently trying (and allegedly succeeding) to teach himself to throw left handed. If he comes back for another year he may die.
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MourningBoo posted:Manziel is so banged up right now that he is currently trying (and allegedly succeeding) to teach himself to throw left handed. If he comes back for another year he may die. Which will most likely happen in the NFL anyway. My biggest concern for Manziel is his head isn't on a swivel when he runs, and he narrowly misses massive hits by a hair's breadth. That's not going to happen in the NFL, defenders are so much faster. jeffersonlives posted:Manziel has certainly indicated in both behavior and words that he will, but things can change and you're right in that it's unusual that all of the talked about underclassman actually do declare in any given. Probably worth noting that Bridgewater as a true junior is no more of a lock than these three to declare either. That's what ticks me off about this years draft. It looks extremely deep but guys like Bridgewater can easily go back if they get ruminations that Mariota might go ahead of them.
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