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Do the warp spiders not have an Autarch? Or Exarch? Whichever the head honcho guy is. I think I remember reading about them being 'new' but I don't remember if that was why.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:Do the warp spiders not have an Autarch? Or Exarch? Whichever the head honcho guy is. Phoenix Lord?
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Oct 23, 2013 18:23
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bunnyofdoom posted:Phoenix Lord? That is definitely the thing I was trying to say, thank you. I don't know how I botched that.
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Oct 23, 2013 18:32
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berzerkmonkey posted:It was the last great battle of the Crusade that the Emperor participated in. I think VanSandman is implying the Ork Warlord was a Space Marine? It's just retarded enough to be Ward-level canon in my eyes.
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Oct 23, 2013 18:38
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I know it isn't the case now, but was it ever implied or assumed that Sigmar from Warhammer Fantasy was one of the lost Primarchs?
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Oct 23, 2013 18:45
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I know it isn't the case now, but was it ever implied or assumed that Sigmar from Warhammer Fantasy was one of the lost Primarchs?
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Oct 23, 2013 19:06
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PrBacterio posted:Wouldn't he have been the Emperor himself, if anything, if that were the case? Also imho it's a good thing they ditched the connection between the 40K and fantasy settings, because the latter doesn't really mesh well with "real" present-day history and it makes a lot more sense for 40K to be set in "our" future than that of Warhammer Fantasy, which wouldn't fit in any past era of real history. Or do you mean that in the sense of the world of WHFB as a feral world in the 40K setting on which Sigmar then found himself after the dispersal of the primarchs? Because while that could be made to make sense in some fashion I don't remember ever seeing anything that would imply it. The Orks are literally the same, the Daemons and chaos gods are too, and there's actually quite a bit of winks and nods in the fluff for Warhammer that put it in the same universe as 40k.
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Oct 23, 2013 19:13
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VanSandman posted:The Orks are literally the same, the Daemons and chaos gods are too, and there's actually quite a bit of winks and nods in the fluff for Warhammer that put it in the same universe as 40k. I thought they rolled that insinuation back after the last big fantasy campaign? Wasn't there some big interview around that formally estalished different universes?
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Oct 23, 2013 19:24
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I know it isn't the case now, but was it ever implied or assumed that Sigmar from Warhammer Fantasy was one of the lost Primarchs? There are quite a lot of people who like the idea, myself included, but I don't think it was ever outright stated, and they've been moving the settings progressively further apart for some time.
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Oct 23, 2013 19:48
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PrBacterio posted:Wouldn't he have been the Emperor himself, if anything, if that were the case? Also imho it's a good thing they ditched the connection between the 40K and fantasy settings, because the latter doesn't really mesh well with "real" present-day history and it makes a lot more sense for 40K to be set in "our" future than that of Warhammer Fantasy, which wouldn't fit in any past era of real history. Or do you mean that in the sense of the world of WHFB as a feral world in the 40K setting on which Sigmar then found himself after the dispersal of the primarchs? Because while that could be made to make sense in some fashion I don't remember ever seeing anything that would imply it. He means the second one and it used to be hinted at everywhere.
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Oct 23, 2013 19:48
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Yes there was - but originally I think the insinuation at least was that sigmar was a lost primarch, who was taken by the emperor after forming the empire
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Oct 23, 2013 19:49
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I think you guys are confusing your fluff with Internet speculation. There was never any insinuation that Sigmar was anything but an awesome dude who kicked serious butt. He wandered off into the Worlds Edge Mountains after abdicating his throne to see what he could find - he didn't ascend into the heavens with the sky angels or whatever. 40K and Fantasy overlapped back in the day because 40K, in the beginning, was an extension of the Fantasy game - Space Orcs, Space Elves, Space Dwarfs, etc. This was carried over into the Realm of Chaos books - while compatible with WFB and 40K, they were essentially self-contained and took place in an environment where the Chaos Gods would gift their champions with crazy poo poo like chainswords and plasma pistols. The whole point of the game was outrageousness, and the overlap worked. Other than that, the two worlds pretty much never intersected, aside from mention of the Old Ones and the Chaos Gods. In fiction/fluff, you did have the Liber Chaotica books, in which a guy from the Old World sees visions of 40K, but that could be attributed to the Chaos Gods spanning different dimensions. Obviously, there are intersections between Fantasy and 40K, but nothing so blatant as Sigmar being a lost primarch. He's just the heroic figure who saves the town and wanders off into the sunset at the end of the movie.
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Oct 23, 2013 20:36
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I dunno, I'm thinking oblique references in slaves to darkness. I'd have to check it out again.
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Oct 23, 2013 20:59
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berzerkmonkey posted:I read this last night - though, I wasn't sure if it was referring to SM rebellion, or just a poorly written sentence referring to numerous rebellions (most likely by worlds/forces thought to be under Imperial control) that occurred throughout the Great Crusade. It makes more sense then the "magic warp rift" justification for the "The Fall of Medusa V" tournament campaign
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Oct 23, 2013 21:34
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:Do the warp spiders not have an Autarch? Or Exarch? Whichever the head honcho guy is. berzerkmonkey posted:Other than that, the two worlds pretty much never intersected, aside from mention of the Old Ones and the Chaos Gods.
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Oct 23, 2013 23:02
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Arquinsiel posted:Teclis gets into the Webway in Giantslayer and the Albion campaign rewards around the same time were literally just 40k wargear items. There was also the Amazon warband for Mordheim which had bolters. Oh yeah, I forgot about Albion. As for the Amazons, I think those were more energy weapons, not bolters. That being said, the Amazons were not "official" as they were based off of the Lustrian fan expansion.
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Oct 24, 2013 00:04
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That was official enough as far as Mordheim went. It was published by GW in the end so all rights were handed over. I have it from Jervis himself that he considered it as official as can be, via a silly failed project to update some warbands so they didn't break regular Mordheim I got involved in. TBH they were described as energy weapons, but the stats were just Bolt Gun and Bolt Pistol from Necromunda but with no ammo to worry about.
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Oct 24, 2013 02:57
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lenoon posted:Yes there was - but originally I think the insinuation at least was that sigmar was a lost primarch, who was taken by the emperor after forming the empire As much as I love the idea of Warhammer Fantasy being a feral world, can you imagine the imperium turning up and finding a world with medieval humans, infested with orks, populated by medieval eldar, reavers, dwarves and glowing with chaos rifts, psykers, sorcerers, etc. A world where the dead rise up into armies, giant rats have kingdoms, etc. "Yeah, we found a primarch, but... gently caress this" <Exterminatus>
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Dog_Meat posted:As much as I love the idea of Warhammer Fantasy being a feral world, can you imagine the imperium turning up and finding a world with medieval humans, infested with orks, populated by medieval eldar, reavers, dwarves and glowing with chaos rifts, psykers, sorcerers, etc. A world where the dead rise up into armies, giant rats have kingdoms, etc. "Wait! Maybe something can be salvaged from this clusterfuck!" "-Oh, and the medieval humans are super religious." "Nevermind, carry on."
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Oct 24, 2013 09:44
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Skaven build a giant warpstone cannon and blast the exterminatus fleet out of the orbit. (They also destroy everything within a 50 km radius from the cannon, but eh, Skaven) Everything goes on as normal.
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Oct 24, 2013 10:10
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Donnerberg posted:"Wait! Maybe something can be salvaged from this clusterfuck!" Wouldn't that be a positive though? Yeah they'd nuke the place for sure.
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Oct 24, 2013 11:38
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VanSandman posted:Wouldn't that be a positive though? I think he means the pre-heresy Imperium. Still looking for the Primarchs and all. I don't think there's a case for Sigmar being a Primarch though, but it all hinges on how his priests channel their powers. There's a lot of evidence for belief itself being enough of a catalyst for humans being able to do crazy poo poo.
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Oct 24, 2013 11:55
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Arquinsiel posted:That was official enough as far as Mordheim went. It was published by GW in the end so all rights were handed over. I have it from Jervis himself that he considered it as official as can be, via a silly failed project to update some warbands so they didn't break regular Mordheim I got involved in.
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Oct 24, 2013 16:15
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Just finished Battle of the Fang. Thought it was pretty unremarkable overall. Now that I've read Wrath of Iron and this, I think I can put my finger on why Wraight's writing doesn't grab me. The prose and descriptions are okay, but none of the characters are all that interesting or evoke any sort of empathy. They all come across as cardboard cutouts for what their role in the story should be. Abnett and ADB need to push more stuff out.
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Donnerberg posted:"Wait! Maybe something can be salvaged from this clusterfuck!" Well, there was Lorgar and his planet...
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The Rat posted:Just finished Battle of the Fang. Thought it was pretty unremarkable overall. Now that I've read Wrath of Iron and this, I think I can put my finger on why Wraight's writing doesn't grab me. The prose and descriptions are okay, but none of the characters are all that interesting or evoke any sort of empathy. They all come across as cardboard cutouts for what their role in the story should be. Yeah, in this vein, I read Scars and wasn't impressed either. I didn't like his characterization of the White Scars and the Khan at all, and none of the characters were very distinct. The entire plot is pretty meandering and much of it is pointless, with not a whole lot of tension for some reason. He introduces like 4-5 different characters but then they mostly don't do anything, and the Khan himself is poorly written. Overall it was an utter tease of a book and I would be mad if I had actually paid for each installment separately. I also remember reading Battle of the Fang and being disappointed because he apes bits from Abnett's Prospero Burns, but captures none of the flavor and the book turns out pretty flat and boring. Wrath of Iron I thought worked, but maybe it's because it's the Iron Hands, so flat prose and boring characters actually is in line with the effect they're looking for.
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Cream_Filling posted:I also remember reading Battle of the Fang and being disappointed because he apes bits from Abnett's Prospero Burns, but captures none of the flavor and the book turns out pretty flat and boring. Yeah, that too. quote:‘Shush,’ came a wet growl, impossibly deep, sounding more like a leopard’s than a human’s.
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Oct 25, 2013 18:30
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VanSandman posted:I like to think one straight up refused to be a warlord, thus necessitating their extermination because the last thing you want is for a genetically engineered superman with the knowledge to create an empire running around behind your front lines not listening to you. That's actually not a bad idea. "Oi, I'm da biggest, da baddest, and da most red, so therefore I da Big Warboss!  "
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Fly Molo posted:That's actually not a bad idea. "Oi, I'm da biggest, da baddest, and da most red, so therefore I da Big Warboss! It'd be hilarious if the Primarch took the form of the first lifeform he encountered, an Ork.
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Demiurge4 posted:It'd be hilarious if the Primarch took the form of the first lifeform he encountered, an Ork. That's one of the reasons the idea isn't completely retarded. They do seem to have that ability, after all. And their natural ability to inspire and lead is a lot like the ork's ability to be da biggest.
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Orks have the natural ability to feel something isn't orky, and only obey the strongest among them. Even when they trade or form alliances with other species, they must have (or feel they have) the upper hand.
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The Rat posted:Just finished Battle of the Fang. Thought it was pretty unremarkable overall. Now that I've read Wrath of Iron and this, I think I can put my finger on why Wraight's writing doesn't grab me. The prose and descriptions are okay, but none of the characters are all that interesting or evoke any sort of empathy. They all come across as cardboard cutouts for what their role in the story should be. I like Wraight and I think his prose is improving unlike some of the other authors especially since Wrath of Iron was written a year or so after Battle of the Fang. He tells great grimdark stories like Abnett and ADB but I think his characterisation is not quite there.
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Demiurge4 posted:It'd be hilarious if the Primarch took the form of the first lifeform he encountered, an Ork. Angron first encountered some Eldar, still became a human
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Fried Chicken posted:Angron first encountered some Eldar, still became a human Russ is human too. Etc.
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I don't know why people call Lion an aspie when considering the incident between him and Russ. Russ is like having an alcoholic degenerate bigger brother who beats your rear end for getting to the only Xbox first. Laughs about it then gets really mad when you hit him back.
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Oct 25, 2013 23:23
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Blacktoll posted:I don't know why people call Lion an aspie when considering the incident between him and Russ. Russ is like having an
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Blacktoll posted:I don't know why people call Lion an aspie when considering the incident between him and Russ. Russ is like having an alcoholic degenerate bigger brother who beats your rear end for getting to the only Xbox first. Laughs about it then gets really mad when you hit him back. Because we know that for Russ that is all an act. He plays up the "I'm a big dumb short tempered berserker" but he's a really cagey operator who does it in large part to manipulate people, including all his brothers.
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Oct 26, 2013 03:07
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Fried Chicken posted:Because we know that for Russ that is all an act. He plays up the "I'm a big dumb short tempered berserker" but he's a really cagey operator who does it in large part to manipulate people, including all his brothers. Most of them know it's an act, but they know he can be relied upon to keep up the act unless he's acting against them.
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Oct 26, 2013 03:39
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Fried Chicken posted:Because we know that for Russ that is all an act. He plays up the "I'm a big dumb short tempered berserker" but he's a really cagey operator who does it in large part to manipulate people, including all his brothers. Also he probably enjoys it because acting stupid ironically is fun, and when people occasionally fall for it and underestimate you it's even more fun.
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Fried Chicken posted:Because we know that for Russ that is all an act. He plays up the "I'm a big dumb short tempered berserker" but he's a really cagey operator who does it in large part to manipulate people, including all his brothers. For all we know the Lion is just acting like an aspie, and when he gave those weapons to the Iron Warriors, he was doing it to try and please the other side, so he can just flip to the otherside when however starts winning.  I really wish the DA didn't end up with like 3 different writers, all of who seemed to be pretty bad.
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