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The arrow world window and glass making companies always have new job openings.
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Catching on, hopping on the   This was just shameless, though. 
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Oct 25, 2013 21:30
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Alot of people compare Green Arrow to Batman but they're pretty completely different. There's no pretending with Oliver, Oliver is always "Oliver" he doesn't pretend to be anyone else. Batman is pretending to be Bruce Wayne. It's just a part he plays , there's no difference between Oliver and Green Arrow. He doesn't pretend to be "Oliver Queen". He has a secret but it's not a "secret identity". Oliver also isn't hugely brooding and bitter, he actually enjoys his life and has pursued a lot of Romantic interest and even married. Batman has flings but he doesn't really have "romances" he always eschews them because it gets in the way of crimefighting or him being Batman gets in the way of his relationships. Batman is super conservative, Oliver is basically a liberal socialist. Batman doesn't think the best of people and is kind of pessimistic, Oliver is super optimistic more in line with Superman. Oliver is a realist where as Batman is a idealist. Oliver doesn't have a problem with killing, when absolutely neccessary because he knows that in some situations that is the only option and he doesn't feel bad about killing someone who is trying to kill him. Batman never kills because he thinks that there is a line that if you cross it then it's a slippery slope. Oliver accepted that his previous lifestyle was wrong, and that he wasn't a good person and changed. Batman has basically always been Batman, he never lived a "normal" life. It kind of frustrates me when people compare Oliver to Batman simply because Oliver is actually wayyyy different than Batman. I dunno that's now counting how is being written now and in the last 20 years naturally before that he kind of wasn't but after Longbow Hunters that all changed.
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Oct 25, 2013 21:33
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TheChad posted:The ninja chick had a great entrance as well.
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Oct 25, 2013 21:53
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Slamhound posted:Where she's flipping down like a jacob's ladder? I'm surprised she didn't get dizzy. Yeah I found it really cool.
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Oct 25, 2013 21:58
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Hollis posted:Alot of people compare Green Arrow to Batman but they're pretty completely different. There's no pretending with Oliver, Oliver is always "Oliver" he doesn't pretend to be anyone else. This is probably all true, but for people who, at best, have read a wiki article on Green Arrow or seen him in a cartoon episode or two- they both line up pretty similar in what you would usually compare super-heroes on: their powers. Arrow's liberalism and pragmatism are key- but they usually don't stand out when you have him standing next to the entire JL or being portrayed as an also-ran. The show does a good job of emphasizing these differences though.
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Oct 25, 2013 22:01
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Slamhound posted:Where she's flipping down like a jacob's ladder? I'm surprised she didn't get dizzy. Ohhh you meant that one. Ok. 
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Oct 25, 2013 22:05
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mcbexx posted:Catching on, hopping on the I don't see what's shameless about that?
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Oct 25, 2013 22:06
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It seems to be her entrance to the clock tower too. Faster than a ladder, I suppose. Must be hard to climb up though.
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Oct 25, 2013 22:08
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It's cool, but I would have expected it as a stealth/stalker move rather than a dramatic entrance.
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Oct 25, 2013 22:11
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Hollis posted:Alot of people compare Green Arrow to Batman but they're pretty completely different. There's no pretending with Oliver, Oliver is always "Oliver" he doesn't pretend to be anyone else. This is pretty much the best summary of Batman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l1PMVvfjDM
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Oct 25, 2013 22:19
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Aphrodite posted:It seems to be her entrance to the clock tower too. Nah. 
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Oct 25, 2013 22:21
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She's wearing a corset. Everything is hard in a corset.
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Oct 25, 2013 22:23
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Hollis posted:Alot of people compare Green Arrow to Batman but they're pretty completely different. There's no pretending with Oliver, Oliver is always "Oliver" he doesn't pretend to be anyone else. Rich guy uses his wealth to fund his crime fighting and outlandish gadgets. Hollis posted:Alot of people compare Green Arrow to Batman but they're pretty completely different. There's no pretending with Oliver, Oliver is always "Oliver" he doesn't pretend to be anyone else. Yeah obviously because guy who used a daddy's millions to fund his crime fighting career and uses batarangs and one rich guy uses daddy's millions to fund his crime fighting career and uses arrows. And batarangs and arrows are different. Yeah Ollie is different than Bruce, but his creator was heavily influenced by Batman. Nobody disputes that. You could say that politics make them different... but that's a bit like saying bizarro superman and red son superman are all very different than superman.
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Oct 25, 2013 22:23
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Ohhh you meant that one. Ok. Thanks! Badass drat entrance.
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Oct 25, 2013 22:24
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Bizarro Superman is way different than Superman.
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Oct 25, 2013 22:27
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Aphrodite posted:Bizarro Superman is way different than Superman. They have very similar powers. The point is they are just other versions of superman or what ifs or alternate reality, whatever. But they are inspired by the same thing. Someone post the pic of GA and batman in the batwing where batman asks him if he's ever had an original thought.
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Oct 25, 2013 22:33
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Blackchamber posted:Rich guy uses his wealth to fund his crime fighting and outlandish gadgets. Blackchamber posted:They have very similar powers. The point is they are just other versions of superman or what ifs or alternate reality, whatever. But they are inspired by the same thing.
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Oct 25, 2013 22:38
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Blackchamber posted:They have very similar powers. The point is they are just other versions of superman or what ifs or alternate reality, whatever. But they are inspired by the same thing. Yes his inception does include a lot of Batmanishs, but he became pretty different from Batman in the 60s and 70s. When Batman was initially created he carried a gun and killed criminals his character changed over time. For years Green Arrow was Robin Hood and was not in his own comic, it wasn't till the 60s that his character was actually moved beyond that to have more depth and that is the Green Arrow as everyone knows him as. It's always been a thing for Green Lantern to address social issues. Like that's his thing he deals with real world social issues. Every Superhero in existence is some version of "Superman". He's the original template. That doesn't make everyone the same that's like saying all birds are the same. I mean he's not the same as Batman, at all he's as far from Batman as you can get. Batman is a Also-Ran, Green Arrow is specifically not. Green Arrows whole thing is that while Batman is content to stop crime, Green Arrow fights to stop crime and works to prevent crime from ever happening to begin with. quote:In 1969, artist Neal Adams decided to update the character's visual appearance by giving him a goatee and costume of his own design in The Brave and the Bold #85 (August–September 1969).[5] Inspired by Adams's redesign, writer Dennis O'Neil followed up on Green Arrow's new appearance by completely remaking the character's attitude in the pages of Justice League of America #75 (cover-dated November 1969), giving his personality a rougher edge. This revision was explained by having Oliver Queen lose his fortune due to forged documents of him engaging in corruption, and he then became an outspoken advocate of the underprivileged in society and the political left wing. For instance, he once saved a child's dog playing in a railyard, but instead of feeling satisfaction, he brooded on the larger problem of how the child had nowhere in the city to play safely. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Oct 25, 2013 |
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Oct 25, 2013 22:51
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It does say a lot about Batman that Gotham is corrupt but the only thing he does is punch people and not use any of his VAST wealth to try to help the city or advocate for people.
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Oct 25, 2013 23:24
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Mooseontheloose posted:It does say a lot about Batman that Gotham is corrupt but the only thing he does is punch people and not use any of his VAST wealth to try to help the city or advocate for people. There are token mentions of philanthropy and sometimes he'll give a Bruce Wayne business card to some punks on the street and tell them they'd have better opportunities there (somehow no one really catches onto that). But he doesn't actively pursue it or it isn't the focus of an arc or anything like with Ollie.
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Oct 25, 2013 23:29
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They put another new preview up on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202045213279502&set=vb.104137579724283&type=2&theater I'll be surprised if Black Canary isn't Laurel's sister at this point, albeit played by a different actress than in the Pilot.
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Oct 25, 2013 23:31
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I'm looking forward to the Oliver becomes Mayor or runs for Mayor arc which will be really loving awesome hopefully. I always liked that story.
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Oct 25, 2013 23:46
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  Hollis posted:That doesn't make everyone the same that's like saying all birds are the same. I mean he's not the same as Batman, at all he's as far from Batman as you can get. Batman is a Also-Ran, Green Arrow is specifically not. No its more like everyone is saying the flintstones are nothing like the honeymooners because fred doesn't drive a bus. Blackchamber fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Oct 25, 2013 |
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Oct 25, 2013 23:46
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Hollis posted:I'm looking forward to the Oliver becomes Mayor or runs for Mayor arc which will be really loving awesome hopefully. I always liked that story. Ollie becomes mayor and changes the city bylaws to replace direct elections with a salmon ladder contest for mayoral races.
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Oct 26, 2013 00:11
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Blackchamber posted:
You're not even making any sense, no one is saying that isn't his origin or how he was originally invented which has been changed over the years and is now his status quo just like Batman's has been changed and is now his status quo, the characters motivation and reason for being a hero are completely different than Batman's. Oliver is on a redemptive story arc, Batman isn't. There are major fundamental differences between Batman and him. Yes, they have similar superficial trappings. Things that share similarities just means they're similar it doesn't mean they're the same. Also it's completely inaccurate to use Batman as the gage as he was a rip off of the Shadow. Everything's derivative. Just because it is derivative doesn't mean it's the same as the original source. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Oct 26, 2013 |
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Oct 26, 2013 00:22
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Hollis posted:You're not even making any sense, no one is saying that isn't his origin or how he was originally invented which has been changed over the years and is now his status quo just like Batman's has been changed and is now his status quo, the characters motivation and reason for being a hero are completely different than Batman's. Oliver is on a redemptive story arc, Batman isn't. There are major fundamental differences between Batman and him. Yes, they have similar superficial trappings. The original statement that started us down this road was that one poster hated that people compared Green Arrow to Batman because they were wildly different. My whole intention was to show that it is indeed fair to draw comparisons between them because as even you state, there are similarities between them which I'm also pointing out were not coincidental. So its already kinda case closed. I'm ready to move on, are y'all?
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Oct 26, 2013 00:56
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Blackchamber posted:The original statement that started us down this road was that one poster hated that people compared Green Arrow to Batman because they were wildly different.
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Oct 26, 2013 01:09
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Slamhound posted:The point of the original statement was that they're wildly different despite their many similarities, but people seem to only seem to mention the similarities. Nobody's saying Green Arrow wasn't basically conceived as a Batman knockoff. "Wildly different" seems to lose a lot of meaning if two things can be conceived as a knockoff of another and currently share numerous similarities yet still be wildly different.
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Oct 26, 2013 02:19
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Batman is just a ripoff of the Shadow.
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Oct 26, 2013 02:26
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Comic book fans knew to expect the Batman parallels before the show started. The pleasant surprise for the fans and NON comic book audience was many went into it expecting to see vivid echos of the Nolan Batman films but nobody who stuck with it expected it to overcome those impressions. It's a startling transition to go from, "oh look how they're going to rip Batman off, just like I KNEW they would" to "I don't give a poo poo that they're ripping off Batman movies, this is awesome."
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Oct 26, 2013 03:13
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Dead Snoopy posted:Comic book fans knew to expect the Batman parallels before the show started. The hype from the mention of Ras Al Ghul will start bringing in more people who passed on the show, and once they get a taste they'll probably love it. Thankfully the first season is up on Netflix and this show is fantastic for binge watching because almost every episode ends so well you immediately want to see the next. They're bringing in The Flash, and other then Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern no other iconic heroes have movies that would make it a rights issue. They could double down on taking minor comic book characters and writing them fantastically well (Doll-Maker was almost perfect) or start slowly introducing major DC icons for potential future projects. The second runs the risk of taking the focus away from the development of Arrow as a superhero and into more gimmick "what new character shows up this week?" I think a lot of it will have to do with how the Fox series Gotham goes. If that bombs then Arrow is the only DC property on TV and will have much more leeway.
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Oct 26, 2013 07:24
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pentyne posted:The hype from the mention of Ras Al Ghul will start bringing in more people who passed on the show, and once they get a taste they'll probably love it. Thankfully the first season is up on Netflix and this show is fantastic for binge watching because almost every episode ends so well you immediately want to see the next. I don't know whether being the only game in town for DC on TV is a good thing or a bad thing to be honest. The show seems to focused on what it wants to do, and I don't know that it's a great tradeoff to have access to more popular DC characters (esp. when you aren't going to get Batman/Superman who are the only immediate ratings game-changers) while possibly opening yourself up to additional pressure or interest from DC execs.
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Oct 26, 2013 08:51
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...I just watched all 24 episodes in a row. I think I have a problem.... It's that there is no S2 on Netflix.
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Oct 26, 2013 15:15
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Arrgytehpirate posted:...I just watched all 24 episodes in a row. I think I have a problem.... All of season 2 so far is on CW's site.
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Oct 26, 2013 15:58
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Pierce and Pierce posted:All of season 2 so far is on CW's site. Also on Hulu (might only be on Hulu Plus).
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Oct 26, 2013 16:36
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The first two episodes from this season are free for everyone, but Wednesday's episode is only on Hulu Plus for whatever reason.
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Oct 26, 2013 17:09
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hcreight posted:The first two episodes from this season are free for everyone, but Wednesday's episode is only on Hulu Plus for whatever reason. But all episodes are available for watching on CW's website. And I've found that if you have ad block on, the CW commercials are skipped over. I don't use Hulu for CW shows anymore because the direct website is better and doesn't have the restrictions that Hulu has to deal with.
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Oct 26, 2013 17:28
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Great episode, my only problem is that they went even further in portraying Moira Queen in a positive light, there is something odd about even her kids just shrugging off that she helped commit mass murder.
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Oasx posted:Great episode, my only problem is that they went even further in portraying Moira Queen in a positive light, there is something odd about even her kids just shrugging off that she helped commit mass murder. I won't say that arc was resolved, but Speedy really hated her for a long time. And Ollie  As far as they know the totally empirically evil dad Merlyn was the one trying to pressure her. Once they find that she had a hand in killing their dad, though.  The thing I don't get is that since Merlyn is presumably dead Oliver's mom doesn't want to take her defense to court but she could very easily pin EVERYTHING onto Merlyn and no one would contradict her.
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