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I was talking with a friend and she theorized that since Shu Takumi wasn't on the writing staff for this game,A lot of AA4 content like Trucy and Apollo being LaMiror's kids and the jury system weren't emphasized as much? There are a lot of plot lines in that game that kinda dropped off the face of the earth in AA5, which makes me sad.
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Waffleman_ posted:It's not a bug. Sometimes the answer is what the witness ISN'T feeling. In regards to this, I really enjoyed (Spoilers for everything) the Mood Matrix. They did so many different things with it to keep it fresh and then it culminated in that final battle where feelings are just going  and you have no idea what to do with the mess. Plus the music for it is boss as all hell.Pastrymancy posted:I was talking with a friend and she theorized that since Shu Takumi wasn't on the writing staff for this game,A lot of AA4 content like Trucy and Apollo being LaMiror's kids and the jury system weren't emphasized as much? There are a lot of plot lines in that game that kinda dropped off the face of the earth in AA5, which makes me sad. Something I really want to know about now is what Kristoph's black locks were all about. The common theory was originally that he was guarding his secret so tightly, he wouldn't have confessed even if Phoenix had evidence to present but thanks to Pearl, now we know they're for a subconsciously guarded secret. What trauma is he suffering besides his own insanity? Suspicious Cook fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Oct 29, 2013 |
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Oct 29, 2013 06:19
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Suspicious Cook posted:Something I really want to know about now is what Kristoph's black locks were all about. The common theory was originally that he was guarding his secret so tightly, he wouldn't have confessed even if Phoenix had evidence to present but thanks to Pearl, now we know they're for a subconsciously guarded secret. What trauma is he suffering besides his own insanity? Yeah, I'm wondering about this too. In all likelihood, though, Takumi probably intended it to be something other than the explanation we get in AA5 - so it wouldn't necessarily apply to him. Either way, I like the idea of the black locks being "hidden from yourself" as opposed to "hidden from others". I hope they show up again, but I don't know if they can be used to great effect after their appearance in AA5. That might have been the best way they could use them.
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Oct 29, 2013 06:33
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(AA4 Spoiler) I think they took the Jury System out simply because it would not have worked for a full game as opposed to one gimmicky case in AA4. The core of the series is about constantly being given shittier and shittier hands of cards and having to bluff your way to winning the pot. If you have a jury decide on cases, then there's no climax to build to because there's no need to constantly have to have The One Decisive Evidence to counteract every single theory. As for future games, based on how this game went, I wouldn't be surprised if the franchise focused exclusively on Apollo and Athena going forward, while leaving Phoenix/Edgeworth in the background trying to help you out outside of the courtroom with various tasks. AA5 has kind of a "passing the torch" vibe with Apollo coming into his own, Athena asserting herself as not just another Maya/Kay clone, and Edgeworth passing the baton to Simon and stepping back (Simon practically has an Edgeworthian storyline in the whole arc of this game). I don't know that we'll see Gumshoe again, because I think they want this to be The New Generation, and I dunno if we'll see Ema again. We didn't get any kind of fingerprint dusting or luminol spraying in this game. We got one 3D item examination in the entire game after AA4 let you examine almost every item in the court record in 3D. AA6 with Apollo, Athena, and Blackquill as the principal characters, Phoenix, Edgeworth, Pearl and Trucy as supporting characters, and maybe a new detective? Haha just kidding they'll never make any future games 
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Oct 29, 2013 07:01
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Alright, I'm not far in and still happily unspoiled, but I just started the second case, and I'm a little disappointed that They've revealed the killer early in both of the cases so far. First case I expected, but not the second. Judging by previous games, that's about half the cases. Also New Apollo is rad as hell.
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Oct 29, 2013 07:37
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Oh man just finished Case 3 Spoilers Ahoy Man, when I reached Robin's part I pretty much just stalled on it for half an hour going HOLY poo poo CAPCOM IS THIS GOING TO BE LIKE ADRIAN BUT A THOUSAND TIMES WORSE??? And then it turns out to 'just' be parent enforced crossdressing because that totally makes more sense and would definitely have worked for the past however-many years? Though I kinda liked how happier she seems afterwards. Whenever I saw her sprite on day one the first thing in my mind was "that amount of sweating is not healthy man" and so when she appears noticeably calmer and happier on day 2 it was jut  I gotta say, I really liked High after all things were said and done. The way he was built up and then torn down really worked for me. The friendship thing was a bit hammy, but understandable under the circumstances that certain facts were causing tension and they were probably trying to reaffirm things to themselves. Also, best breakdown 
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Oct 29, 2013 07:37
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Pollyanna posted:I think you're taking the game too seriously. The whole statue thing was meant to be ridiculous for the same of humor. I mean look at it, it's just so off-the-wall it's clearly not meant to be all that serious. I have my issues with Case 3 (DARK AGE OF THE LAAAAAAAAAAAAAW) but Means being the killer and the subsequent breakdown isn't one of them. I dunno. It kind of crossed the line between suspending my disbelief for a joke and into the "this is so stupid it's unreal." If it was just supposed to be funny, it didn't work for me. 
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Oct 29, 2013 07:50
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I can't believe this is the first game where I actually noticed the Police Department logo. I mean, look at Gant's suit and tie.Arbitrary Coin posted:Oh man just finished Case 3 Spoilers Ahoy nerdbot posted:I dunno. It kind of crossed the line between suspending my disbelief for a joke and into the "this is so stupid it's unreal." If it was just supposed to be funny, it didn't work for me.
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Oct 29, 2013 08:38
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nerdbot posted:I dunno. It kind of crossed the line between suspending my disbelief for a joke and into the "this is so stupid it's unreal." If it was just supposed to be funny, it didn't work for me. The lawyer cross-examining the parrot never bothered you but the lawyer mimicking a statue did?
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Oct 29, 2013 09:14
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TheKingofSprings posted:The lawyer cross-examining the parrot never bothered you but the lawyer mimicking a statue did? The parrot made me laugh a lot, but in case 5, interviewing a robot is even funnier.
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Oct 29, 2013 09:17
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Just finished the game and I liked case 4/5 the best due to the crazy characters and the robots
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Oct 29, 2013 10:55
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TheKingofSprings posted:Speaking of, it gets hard to take the alleged rivalry between him Phoenix seriously when we hear Phoenix is inviting him to see his adopted daughter's magic shows and he's actually going. Hey man, rivals can be friends too! I mean, remember Rocky III--man now I really wish the game had ended like Rocky III. Like, Phoenix and Edgeworth standing in the destroyed court, ready to try another entirely unrelated case for no apparent reason. They say they still have something to settle and start reading off an autopsy report. "You know Phoenix, it's too bad we have to get old." They point at each other dramatically as the game freeze frames, "EYE OF THE TIGEEEER" But yeah the mental image of Phoenix inviting Edgeworth(and now the judge!) to his daughter's magic show is hilarious and apparently now canon.
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Oct 29, 2013 14:14
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Suspicious Cook posted:Something I really want to know about now is what Kristoph's black locks were all about. The common theory was originally that he was guarding his secret so tightly, he wouldn't have confessed even if Phoenix had evidence to present but thanks to Pearl, now we know they're for a subconsciously guarded secret. What trauma is he suffering besides his own insanity?
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Oct 29, 2013 14:36
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I really don't get the obsession this series has gotten for telling stories entirely through flashbacks. None of the first four games did this (T&T had flashback cases, but they were isolated flashbacks, not the entire story being told that way) but AAI and this seem to be all about having one case set in the present, then two or three in a row set in someone's memory. It's really not something I'm fond of.
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Oct 29, 2013 15:04
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What's the timeline for this game, 2-3-1-4-5? E: is it direct? Or is there some time between 3 and 1?
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Oct 29, 2013 15:05
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So, finished the game earlier that night. Pulled an all nighter on case 5. Consider my disappointment expressed earlier as retracted, the game is awesome. It kind of has a slow start, but build toward a conclusion that's equal to T&T's in term of quality. first case was, well, pretty good as far as tutorials go. Opening with Phoenix as the player character was definitely a good thing, they milked that impression of "He's back " for all its worth.Second case was kind of a wash. Playing as Apollo and having him as the experienced lawyer of the relationship was pretty good, so was the setting, but a lot of the characters were either obnoxious, or had anoying animations. Third case was awesome, with a rather nice misdirection, though Prof Means was a bit too obvious with his "The ends justify the means" speech. I found the friendship stuff not too overbearing, and Klavier was actually pretty good. Fourth and fifth cases were just awesome. You got backstory for Apollo, pretty good interaction between the cast, Pearl and Edgeworth. Pure fanservice, especially with the bit between Phoenix and Edgeworth? Yes, but that felt really good. Ultimately, it felt like a letter from Capcom saying "Sorry for the mess AA4 was, here's a game that trat its characters right. Phoenix is clearly taking a bit of a supporting role, while Apollo and Athena are the stars of the show. It really felt like the passing of the torch the previous gale should have been, but without cutting out Phoenix. Blackquill was an interesting prosecutor, and him not dealing with witnesses's gimmicks longer than he needed was pretty good. Again, it feels like AA4 done right: you have a prosecutor that's pretty honest and looking for the truth, but still antagonistic. e: ^^^Err, most of AA3 is a flashback. Remember that cutscene in the fourth case? It's Phoenix in an hospital bed, reading about Mia's two trials. Presumably, both 3-2 and 3-3 are also reminiscences of his two own fights with Godot, all building toward the final case's second half. Iceclaw fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Oct 29, 2013 |
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Oct 29, 2013 15:06
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Austrian mook posted:What's the timeline for this game, 2-3-1-4-5? I just started 3 but Athena's preamble made it sounds like it happened directly after 2 and she's remembering it immediately after 1. So 2-3-1 so far.
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Oct 29, 2013 15:08
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Austrian mook posted:What's the timeline for this game, 2-3-1-4-5? Yeah, pretty much that. 1 actually happens right in the middle of 4. Also the DLC case happens between 2 and 3. So let me see if I have this straight regarding costumes; are the only ones available the free costume pack and the one you get for clearing the DLC?
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Austrian mook posted:What's the timeline for this game, 2-3-1-4-5? 2, 3, day 1 of 4, 1, day 2 of 4 and 5 in the same day, if I remember right.
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Oct 29, 2013 15:20
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Quest For Glory II posted:We got one 3D item examination in the entire game after AA4 let you examine almost every item in the court record in 3D. Technically, we got two.  There was that folding screen in 5-2 and that lighter in 5-5. I'm assuming you get a little more with the latter if you didn't immediately go for the Earth emblem.
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Oct 29, 2013 16:28
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Strange Quark posted:Technically, we got two. Well not really. You can examine the bloody prints on the lighter again but it doesn't matter too much
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Oct 29, 2013 16:43
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At the very end of Case 5: I got flashbacks to 1-4 when Phoenix started on his "What if he had to take it with him?" train of thought and it confused me for a moment.
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Oct 29, 2013 17:06
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yup. It's funny how this case takes cues from all three GBA final cases: You get the legal time limit and suspicions of patricide over a friend (or matricide here) from 1-4, the hostage situation from 2-4, and a prosecutor doing something wrong to protect a kid, like in 3-5.
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Iceclaw posted:yup. It's funny how this case takes cues from all three GBA final cases: You get the legal time limit and suspicions of patricide over a friend (or matricide here) from 1-4, the hostage situation from 2-4, and a prosecutor doing something wrong to protect a kid, like in 3-5. That's a good point and I didn't even make the connection on that last one.
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Iceclaw posted:yup. It's funny how this case takes cues from all three GBA final cases: You get the legal time limit and suspicions of patricide over a friend (or matricide here) from 1-4, the hostage situation from 2-4, and a prosecutor doing something wrong to protect a kid, like in 3-5. The identity of the real culprit also kind of feels like it's coming from a similar place to the Matt Engarde twist in 2-4.
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Oct 29, 2013 17:27
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Case 3 So the mock trial is meant to reasonably simulate how a real trial would go, yes? Juniper is in charge of sound which includes a musical score. Does this mean... could it... All that dramatic music during trials is REALLY THERE?! FUCKIN AWESOME
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Oct 29, 2013 18:36
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Gutcruncher posted:Case 3 Oh it better be.  poo poo, I'd be a lawyer in Japanifornia. As long as I don't get killed, anyway.
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Oct 29, 2013 18:59
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I actually managed to make this game crash by checking the chat log when I was faced with a multiple choice question.
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Oct 29, 2013 19:05
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Cyra posted:I actually managed to make this game crash by checking the chat log when I was faced with a multiple choice question. Yeah I've heard plenty of horror stories about the game crashing. Makes me feel grateful that I never encountered any crashes.
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Oct 29, 2013 20:07
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Pollyanna posted:Oh it better be. The judge is a little humble but he's DJing like a fiend under the table.
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Oct 29, 2013 20:13
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Just finished Case 2. It's really, really nice to get that one segment of incredible realization with Announce the Truth playing; I've missed this. 
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Oct 29, 2013 20:32
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Barudak posted:The judge is a little humble but he's DJing like a fiend under the table. Nothing gets him quite in the mood like remixing some of his old favorites.
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Just read the (case 5 spoilers) bad ending where you fail to prove Blackquill innocent...holy poo poo that has to be the most depressing thing in the series. Aura takes all of the hostages, including Trucy, and presumably kills them, Athena leaves the office, Apollo stops smiling, and Phoenix gives up his badge.
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Oct 29, 2013 21:03
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Just read the (case 5 spoilers) bad ending where you fail to prove Blackquill innocent...holy poo poo that has to be the most depressing thing in the series. Aura takes all of the hostages, including Trucy, and presumably kills them, Athena leaves the office, Apollo stops smiling, and Phoenix gives up his badge. Is this triggered by anything in particular, or just by losing the trial normally?
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Oct 29, 2013 21:10
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...Holy poo poo, that's a bad ending if there ever was one. Glad I went through things carefully...
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Oct 29, 2013 21:12
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canoshiz posted:Is this triggered by anything in particular, or just by losing the trial normally? You have to run out of life when specifically asked to prove that Blackquill is innocent of killing Dr. Cykes.
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Oct 29, 2013 21:17
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Can someone clear up the timing of the cases for me real quick? I just started Case 4 and Apollo has his eye bandage. I thought that happened because of his injuries during the bombing right before Case 1 and the pre-chapter narration said that this was the case that was going on right before the bombing in the courtroom. Was this a previous injury or did I miss something here?
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Oct 29, 2013 22:19
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Artix posted:Can someone clear up the timing of the cases for me real quick? I just started Case 4 and Apollo has his eye bandage. I thought that happened because of his injuries during the bombing right before Case 1 and the pre-chapter narration said that this was the case that was going on right before the bombing in the courtroom. Was this a previous injury or did I miss something here? It will be explained in due time.
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Oct 29, 2013 22:20
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Don't worry, it gets explained later on.
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Artix posted:Can someone clear up the timing of the cases for me real quick? I just started Case 4 and Apollo has his eye bandage. I thought that happened because of his injuries during the bombing right before Case 1 and the pre-chapter narration said that this was the case that was going on right before the bombing in the courtroom. Was this a previous injury or did I miss something here? If you haven't finished case 5 its explained at the end of it. If you have he wears the sty before the bombing because his eye keeps freaking out when he looks at Athena and her experience with the space center and he doesn't want to get distracted
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