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Stuff the SQ-Ai and get a GS-1! Seriously though, Bronica is getting cheap again and will likely remain so for some time (looks like it's returning to median prices after a slight boom in the last 1.5-2years). It really depends what you want to use the camera for - the GS-1 can do just about anything with the completely modular design and variety of film backs, however, the fastest lens is f3.5 (nothing wrong with that for the image/film plane, it's absolutely in line with other systems) and the weight of the camera can make it unwieldy for hand-holding if you're not used to it (it's actually quite light for a 6x7 system). The SQ system is probably the best introduction as it produces a decently sized negative, has a wide lens selection (which is faster, but not as sharp as the PG lenses at key lengths), and is very portable. Don't take my knock on the lenses as a sign they're poor though - they're great lenses, it's just that the PG optics are incredibly good. The ETR system... eh, it's 645. I guess I'll actually go into why people are "against" that. For a start, a waist-level viewfinder is somewhat problematic to use in this format, and a prism is generally preferred. You gain somewhat in the sense that the lens selection is faster (in general, and for Bronica, the lens selection for the ETR system is much wider), and the camera is lighter... except the ETR cameras range in weight from being heavier than a GS-1 to just lighter than a SQ-Ai, it's really not going to make a massive difference. You'll obviously get more photos from a roll of 120, but you're fixed with 645 when everyone else can change the back if they want, or crop to size; and you've got natural portrait orientation - this is a potential nuisance if you're intending on shooting mostly landscapes. There's benefits of DOF and lens angles, but these can be replicated on larger formats. I mean, the thing about 645 is it's rare for people to stick with it now - you either decide you don't like MF/the system and sell it, or you decide you like MF/the system but find the camera doesn't do enough, and you want a bigger negative so you sell it. Well, unless it's a 645 rangefinder...
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Oh, in relation to the IR film talk on the previous page: I've won a roll of 120 Aerochrome EIR colour infrared on eBay (  ) and it's not supposed to be used with a camera/film back that uses IR to determine shot number. Do most of the changeable-lens MF bodies use IR internally or would I be OK? I suppose this applies for B&W infrared too.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Oh, in relation to the IR film talk on the previous page: I'm pretty sure only 35mm cameras can use IR frame counters - there's no sprocket holes to count on 120...
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Excellent, just wanted to make sure, thanks. Is there a general lens guideline with MF, like how on 35mm you'll have an 80mm for portraits, 50mm as standard, etc... or does it depend on the shooting format ie 6x6, 645 and so on? Also dorkasuarus, your pics in the op are absolutely gorgeous. Quantum of Phallus fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Oct 29, 2013 |
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Excellent, just wanted to make sure, thanks. Depends on format. Most people use the diagonal of the format to determine an equivalence: 135 diagonal: 43.3mm 645 diagonal: 69.7mm (~1.6x, so 80mm on 645 is like 50mm on 135) 6x6 diagonal: 79.1mm (~1.8x, so 90mm on 6x6 is like 50mm on 135) 6x7 diagonal: 89.6mm (~2.0x, so 100mm on 6x7 is like 50mm on 135)
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Is all this: Bronica - SQ-A 6x6 – 120 film back 50mm, 80mm seiko lens Hard Case good value for a little over $400? It seems to be in good condition.
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MrBlandAverage posted:Depends on format. Most people use the diagonal of the format to determine an equivalence:  Leaving out the best: 6x9 diagonal: 10.8mmQuantum of Phallus posted:Is all this: Seems like a good deal to me, does it have a waist level finder? and are the lenses S or PS?
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If those are PS lenses and it's in good shape, that's a decent deal. I've seen that sort of price for a body+back, viewfinder and 80mm combo. And the 50mm is one of the pricier lenses to pick up.
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Spedman posted:
And while we're messing up unit conversions: - 4x5: 116.4mm diagonal, C.F. 0.38 - 8x10: 325.3mm, C.F. 0.133 Huh, I think it's interesting that 4x5 (Iron Age "inches" or "thumbs" or "hemi-cubits" or whateverthefuck) is so similar to 6x9 cm.
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Is this a good deal for $380 US? Unfortunately shipping is still on top of that. Oh well. rb67 ProSD body 127mm K/L lens + hood etc 6x7 ProSD back WLF Side question: Is it just me, or are film prices in Australia incredibly high? The local film store stocks a tiny amount of 120 film, and charges for it too (from memory $30 for a roll of Velvia, $17 for Portra). I could import from the US, pay $50 in shipping and still be ahead. 
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ExecuDork posted:And while we're messing up unit conversions:  where are you getting this? It's about 155mm, so about a 3.6x factor.
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I must have punched buttons on my calculator wrong  Now I get 162.6mm Square root of (4x4 + 5x5) = 6.4 inches x 25.4 mm/inch = 162.6. 43.3 / 162.6 = 0.266, or a 4x5 negative is about 3.76 times larger than a 35mm negative. Like I said, screwing up unit conversions!
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ExecuDork posted:Now I get 162.6mm If you exclude the areas covered by the film holder it's a bit smaller, but I guess if you do that for 4x5 you need to do it for the medium formats as well. ExecuDork posted:43.3 / 162.6 = 0.266, or a 4x5 negative is about 3.76 times larger than a 35mm negative. If you look at surface area it's 15x larger
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eggsovereasy posted:If you exclude the areas covered by the film holder it's a bit smaller, but I guess if you do that for 4x5 you need to do it for the medium formats as well.
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plannerpirate posted:Side question: Is it just me, or are film prices in Australia incredibly high? The local film store stocks a tiny amount of 120 film, and charges for it too (from memory $30 for a roll of Velvia, $17 for Portra). I could import from the US, pay $50 in shipping and still be ahead. Film and film processing is stupidly expensive in Australia, I just dropped of 5 rolls of 120 c-41 to be processed, $44 thank you  Either order from South East Asian dealers on Ebay, bulk order for B&H/Adorama or my new favourite that I buzz-market for at every chance, the https://www.filmphotographyproject.com/store - they do the cheapest shipping possible for the best prices prossible. Also the Aussie dollar is strong at the moment, so buy up! Edit: And Freestyle are now shipping small orders to Australia too I think. Spedman fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Oct 30, 2013 |
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The Clit Avoider posted:I mean, the thing about 645 is it's rare for people to stick with it now - you either decide you don't like MF/the system and sell it, or you decide you like MF/the system but find the camera doesn't do enough, and you want a bigger negative so you sell it. Well, unless it's a 645 rangefinder... Screw you dirty communists, you can pry my Contax from my cold, dead, kinda-rectangular-format hands. It's the most well designed camera I have ever used >:/ Plus, if it's good enough for Erik Almas, it's way too good for my snapshots of cats and boring crap  Spedman posted:Film and film processing is stupidly expensive in Australia, I just dropped of 5 rolls of 120 c-41 to be processed, $44 thank you http://www.vanbar.com.au/catalogue/product.php?id=54064 BrosephofArimathea fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Oct 30, 2013 |
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I just received an order from these guys http://www.lofico.com.au/collections/120-film with free shipping because the order was >$80
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I pretty much always do my own colour, but I'm clean out of chems and time at the moment, I need to put in an order for big Maxi Rollei kit.
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Spedman posted:I pretty much always do my own colour, but I'm clean out of chems and time at the moment, I need to put in an order for big Maxi Rollei kit. What do C-41 kits typically run down under after shipping?
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The best price would be the Maxi Super C41 kit from Maco Direct, it's a 5lt kit which does 100 rolls and will set you back ~$150 AUD including shipping from Germany. A Tetenal kit sold locally will do 60 rolls for about $140 AUD, but it doesn't have the shelf life of the Rollei kit.
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Spedman posted:Seems like a good deal to me, does it have a waist level finder? and are the lenses S or PS? Waist level viewfinder and S lenses, is that cool?
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Waist level viewfinder and S lenses, is that cool? The PS lenses are newer and, as such, are generally a little better. However, a lot of people get the S 50mm since it has the same filter size as nearly every other lens in the SQ system (67mm), while the PS 50mm is larger. An SQ WLF can go for over $100 on it's own, so it's nice that it comes with one.
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Cool, I'm having a look at it on Saturday and I'll probably buy it if it's all good. Anything in specific I should be looking for problem-wise? Turns out it doesn't have a viewfinder, just the top window. Comes with a speed grip too though. Quantum of Phallus fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Oct 30, 2013 |
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If it just has the bare ground glass you can go all ghetto and just make a cardboard viewing box to go around it, works just as well as a real one but you don't get the little magnifier to help with shallow DOF focusing. With my SQ-Ai I've always had problems with the battery compartment not closing tight enough to make decent contact with the batteries, causing it to not fire every now and then without a good press to the bottom of the body.
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This week I bought a Fujica GW690 from eBay - and got a roll of film with it, too! Apart from how you load the film (which I am sure there is a youtube video or two dedicated to this art) I have a question in relation to exposures. I have seen that the lenses are different and have 35mm equivalents. Case in point: I have a 90mm lens. From what I've managed to work out, I think it's a roughly 39mm equivalent in 35mm. When working out your exposure values, do you have to make any similar adjustments? (i.e f/8 in 35mm isn't f/8 on 120 film)
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Man_alive posted:This week I bought a Fujica GW690 from eBay - and got a roll of film with it, too! Apart from how you load the film (which I am sure there is a youtube video or two dedicated to this art) I have a question in relation to exposures. No you don't! Exposed film area does not affect the exposure. Also: They already figured in the focal lens when calculating where to place a lenses f-stops. Shoot as normal.
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VomitOnLino posted:No you don't! Thanks for the fast reply and for the info. Much clearer now!
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Spedman posted:... my new favourite that I buzz-market for at every chance, the https://www.filmphotographyproject.com/store - they do the cheapest shipping possible for the best prices prossible. Also the Aussie dollar is strong at the moment, so buy up! deaders posted:I just received an order from these guys http://www.lofico.com.au/collections/120-film with free shipping because the order was >$80 Thanks for those recommendations. They're both far cheaper than importing from the main US camera stores ($60 postage alone). Judging by the cost of that processing, it's going to be home developing time. I also went ahead and bought that RB67 from ebay - I plan to quickly run a roll or two through it to see if there are any issues with the camera. Will colour film show up issues that BW won't or vice versa? (I can't think that it would matter).
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I took the trusty GW690 over to Scotland recently and I've got through scanning a couple of the rolls so far. These are on some Portra 160, there's a couple more over in the landscape thread: 
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Spedman posted:I took the trusty GW690 over to Scotland recently and I've got through scanning a couple of the rolls so far. These are on some Portra 160, there's a couple more over in the landscape thread: Goddamn dude. I managed to snag a Voigtlander VC meter for pretty cheap to use with my GW690II. It definitely fits my needs better for the kind of shooting I do than my L358 does. And as much as I love my XA, it's been nice not having to pull it out for reflective metering.
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Turns out the Bronica I bought had a viewfinder after all! I stuck a test roll in, there's so many dials and buttons, I'm very confused.
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aliencowboy posted:Goddamn dude. I have to admit to being a bit lazy these days and just use the "Light Meter" app on my iPhone, or if I'm not totally sure my little L-208 meter when shooting with the GW690ii. When I was shooting slide film in my SQ-Ai I pretty much always used an old pentax spot meter, but I haven't picked it up since shooting only negative colour. The Portra's and B&W films are so forgiving I can get away with being a bit sloppy. Quantum of Phallus posted:Turns out the Bronica I bought had a viewfinder after all! Good stuff with the view finder it's stupid how expensive they are compared to buying a full setup, but I'd figure it'd be a bit awkward with the speed grip, plus winding the film on is half the fun. You should just try shooting with and without the speed grip, I bet you'll prefer without. Spedman fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Nov 2, 2013 |
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I took the speed grip off because I thought it was broken and after half an hour of fiddling with it, I found there's a safety switch on the handle. I feel like such a dumbass. Yeah, I couldn't believe my luck when I saw the viewfinder, I was looking at them on eBay, they're all going at like €100+ It comes with a little pop-out magnifying thing too, which is dead handy. Considering I got the body, 2 lenses, viewfinder, speedgrip, case and film-back all for €300, I think I did pretty well (assuming it works correctly)
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The remainder from my roll of Acros. Chairs, Jalan Besar, 2012 by alkanphel, on Flickr  Marina Bay Sands, 2012 by alkanphel, on Flickr  Clementi, 2012 by alkanphel, on Flickr  Raffles Quay, 2012 by alkanphel, on Flickr
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Spedman posted:I took the trusty GW690 over to Scotland recently and I've got through scanning a couple of the rolls so far. These are on some Portra 160, there's a couple more over in the landscape thread: cool shots. that's such a lovely camera
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So since I got into photography and have been shooting digital, I've remembered that I actually have some older cameras at my father's place. I got him to take some pictures of the cameras for ID, I'll link some here but here's the full album if anyone is interested. The only really interesting camera is the one on the far left. As far as I can tell it's a 1905 Gundlach-Manhattan Optical Co. "Korona Petit" with the "Korona Junior Shutter", made with mahogany and upholstered with 'seal grain cowhide'. I can't quite make out which lens is on it - maybe someone in here will know. The nameplate is missing from the camera unfortunately.        I'm finding information in this scanned 1903 catalog by the manufacturer. It's written in what would be super pretentious English in current day and you should just try to read the first couple paragraphs. The mounts for the 1903 lens 'plate' seem to be made of wood in the catalog, I found this image of a 1905 Korona Petit on GIS and it looks pretty much the same:  I do notice however that the one in the image above doesn't seem to have the thumbwheel on the base (for focusing). The picture has the wheel in the right place and looks nearly identical:  So, it seems this camera came with a couple different options for film size. Which part exactly of the film tray should I measure to figure out which film size it uses? Is 3.25"x4.25" or 3.25"x5.50" even available anywhere in big cities and does anyone develop it? Would be fun to give this thing a shot. VelociBacon fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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You can get film in old sizes like 1/4 plate and postcard but not cheaply and regularly. I think Ilford does one run of special sizes a year. You could of course get 4x5 film and cut it down but if you don't have a holder that would be a little pointless.
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