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Synathaesia posted:I also debated using Blistercoil Weird, but I kinda like that Rakdos Cackler doesn't die to doom blade. I'm wondering why you guys are going for devotion, though. Assuming you have Tymaret, YP, Blistercoil, and Purphoros out, you're still short one to activate him. And two of those guys are legendary. If I was going to run a 1 drop, it would be Tenacious Dead because he can keep bringing himself back.
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Synathaesia posted:If I were going for devotion, I'd probably run Frostburn Weird. I don't mind if Purphoros never becomes a creature. I mostly chose Rakdos Cackler because even if he gets to swing twice, 4 damage speeds up the clock from the Tymaret/Purphoros combo a decent amount. I like TD because even in the late game, he is relevant as a chump blocker, sacrificial lamb, and Purphoros trigger. I'm going to be trying out a variant that cuts Pack Rat down to 1 and replaces them with TDs.
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AlternateNu posted:I'm wondering why you guys are going for devotion, though. Assuming you have Tymaret, YP, Blistercoil, and Purphoros out, you're still short one to activate him. And two of those guys are legendary. 4 Pyromancers, 3 Frostburns, 2 Blistercoils, Tymaret, and the big P. I'm not exactly going for devotion, but if I get it it's nice. I modified the deck to try to survive my metagame of boring aggro decks until I can stage a comeback. Which is why I'm using Altar's Reap instead of Read the Bones, plus instant speed is nice; I can sac Tymaret and bring him back to my hand EOT and not be down 3 mana. My sideboard is mainly anti-control because there's only 2 control players aside from me.
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This is how I run white weenies. Going to take it to an SCG Open even though I own mono-black because I like aggro more. 22 lands with so many 3+ drops kind of worries me but I've tested with -1 Frontline Medic and +1 Plains and this version seems to work better (but will probably test with one more land a lot more). I've also tried taking out 4 Frontline Medics for 4 Cavalry Pegasus to ease up on the curve but the downgrade in creature power and toughness makes the Pegasus slot a lot worse than the Medic. The 2 Path of Bravery and 1 of the Fiendslayers on my sideboard are replacing 1 Pacifism, 1 Glare of Heresy, and 1 Renounce the Guilds. I think this setup will perform a little better in the meta but tell me what you think. Basically my gameplan is to get weenies out and make them bigger with Spear of Heliod and flying/doublestrike with Ajani. Precinct Captain really shines when you get him out turn 2, which isn't a really big feat. Heliod comes out and is still 100% useful when I lack devotion because he makes everyone goddamned vigilant. Plus, the instant-speed cleric he can make is great when you manage to get Heliod out but are keeping your mana untapped because you're all out of creatures. Frontline Medic is also very good for me, even without Heliod on the board. Mutavaults give him the ability to go off even without a third man to attack with so you can keep attacking with indestructible when you're down a creature or want to keep someone home untapped if you're missing Heliod (or have just Frontline Medic, another creature, and Heliod out). Control gives me a hard time sometimes because the matchup is more mentally intense. Other creature-based decks tend to get pooped on unless I get an abnormally bad draw. Deck: mono-white privilege  //Lands 2 Mutavault 20 Plains //Spells 2 Ajani, Caller of the Pride 4 Brave the Elements 3 Spear of Heliod //Creatures 2 Banisher Priest 4 Boros Reckoner 4 Frontline Medic 3 Heliod, God of the Sun 4 Imposing Sovereign 4 Judge's Familiar 4 Precinct Captain 4 Soldier of the Pantheon //Sideboard 3 Fiendslayer Paladin 2 Pacifism 2 Glare of Heresy 2 Rootborn Defenses 2 Celestial Flare 2 Gideon, Champion of Justice 2 Path of Bravery Aspergeoisie fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Oct 29, 2013 |
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Aspergeoisie posted:This is how I run white weenies. Going to take it to an SCG Open even though I own mono-black because I like aggro more. 22 lands with so many 3+ drops kind of worries me but I've tested with -1 Frontline Medic and +1 Plains and this version seems to work better (but will probably test with one more land a lot more). I've also tried taking out 4 Frontline Medics for 4 Cavalry Pegasus to ease up on the curve but the downgrade in creature power and toughness makes the Pegasus slot a lot worse than the Medic. I would swap out one spear for one Path of Bravery just because of the legendary rule. And Dryad Militant > Judge's Familiar in a rush aggro deck. I love playing Frontline Medic against U/x control because they always forget that he can negate Sphinx's Rev and Syncopate.  Edit: Oh, I also wanted to ask when you side in Gideon. I love the card but its a weird mix of if you're doing your job, they won't have may creatures to buff him. And if you're not, they'll just attack him and kill before he can go all super soldier. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Oct 29, 2013 |
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AlternateNu posted:I would swap out one spear for one Path of Bravery just because of the legendary rule. And Dryad Militant > Judge's Familiar in a rush aggro deck. I've been considering 2 Path of Bravery mainboard because it's just really good early, and one Spear really is a prime switch-out. As for Dryad: The Familiars actually replaced her from my original build and I kept him because I liked the performance. She's got one more power but you'd be surprised how angry people get at not being able to stop 1 (2 with Spear) damage from a flying creature. Plus his text actually does something in this meta. I'll try the Dryads again in the coming week, though. Gideon goes in vs control matchups that have a lot of creature wipes because he is a creature who is a little more resilient. Cost isn't a problem against decks like that because I don't want to use mana on normal creatures anyway. He doesn't need to go HAM to be effective in that case. Sure, he can still be exiled but he can't be destroyed like other creatures. Sometimes he's good against midrange but it depends on the deck they're playing. If you think something else would suit the deck better for that purpose, or just improve it overall, I'd be willing to dump him.
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Aspergeoisie posted:White weenie deck That looks like a lot of fun. Also, remember that if Heliod becomes a creature, he doesn't give himself vigilance.
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Yo I'm new to Magic. I've been wanting to get into Magic because of all my friends playing the game (I've also tried the game a couple of times myself with borrowed decks), but I've also found the concept of paying like a hundred buckaroos for a some pieces of cardboard a bit unappealing. But anyway, all my friends have decided to get Pauper EDH decks for the first time so I thought that now's a good time to get in. So without further ado, here's my scrub pauper deck I've been throwing together: http://www.mtgvault.com/minorkos/decks/babbys-first-deck/ Tandem Lookout is my general. Some things you should know. First of all, I don't know what the hell I'm doing for the most part. But anyway: 1. I saw the original version of this deck on a forum. But then I took out all the poo poo that sounded boring and/or something I would have trouble using effectively because I'm a dumb idiot when it comes to Magic. I don't know. 2. The reason I picked this kind of deck because it seemed like the most versatile, easiest deck I could handle. It's also pretty low-profile so it probably won't get me focused that much. Except for the fact that I'll probably be punching the underdog in the face every round with my tandem soulbound creatures (we'll be playing 4-6 player games). 3. I had to drop out some good cards due to them not being available on the store I ordered them from. Or they just happened to cost more than I felt like was necessary to pay for a piece of paper. I might not have enough counterspells or whatever. I don't know how this game works. 4. My win strategy with my stunning Magic knowledge is the following: get cards with Tandem Lookout and try to stay in the game as long as possible. I'll probably try to use my brain at some point. 5. I might have had to skim through the OP since it's 5 AM and I'm tired. apologies for gently caress-ups in advance So anyway just tell me if I'm all set to go play with my friends and have them yell at me for not tapping my mana before summoning a giant spider or whatever Minorkos fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Oct 29, 2013 |
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Aspergeoisie posted:Deck: mono-white privilege My only problem with a mono-white deck like this is that there isn't really a devotion enabler in white like you have in other monocolored decks right now like black or blue. In fact, unless I goofed the search syntax (a distinct possibility) there's two whole white cards in Theros that care about devotion and you're already running one of them. That said, with the number of global creature buffs you have here it might be worth it to try out the other white "devotion matters" card (Evangel of Heliod), I know it costs 6 but running a few and dropping one with a Spear and/or Path out is a huge problem for your opponent.
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C-Euro posted:My only problem with a mono-white deck like this is that there isn't really a devotion enabler in white like you have in other monocolored decks right now like black or blue. In fact, unless I goofed the search syntax (a distinct possibility) there's two whole white cards in Theros that care about devotion and you're already running one of them. That said, with the number of global creature buffs you have here it might be worth it to try out the other white "devotion matters" card (Evangel of Heliod), I know it costs 6 but running a few and dropping one with a Spear and/or Path out is a huge problem for your opponent. If he is going to pay 6 for a bunch of tokens, he might as well play Elspeth since she can just keep pumping them out and wiping the board of high power creatures. Aspergeoisie posted:Gideon goes in vs control matchups that have a lot of creature wipes because he is a creature who is a little more resilient. Cost isn't a problem against decks like that because I don't want to use mana on normal creatures anyway. He doesn't need to go HAM to be effective in that case. Sure, he can still be exiled but he can't be destroyed like other creatures. Sometimes he's good against midrange but it depends on the deck they're playing. If you think something else would suit the deck better for that purpose, or just improve it overall, I'd be willing to dump him. Yeah. Having a 5/5 indestructible creature that ducks removal half the time is pretty nice verses control. And not being able to block with him isn't really a disadvantage. I really like him against mono-U, but the old conundrum occurs that if they flood the field with elemental tokens, you might as well be dead, anyway unless you have Planar Cleansing. I'm surprised you're not running any Nykthos, though. Getting Heliod out turn 4 with a mana to spare is kind of nice. I was toying with the idea of a similar deck that used Planar Cleansing, Heliod, and Gideon because Heliod is indestructible and Gideon makes himself indestructible. And Nykthos ramp makes it easy to hit 6 mana.
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Yea, I saw a big white deck the other day at a standard event. Didn't play planar cleansing, but ramping out angels of serenity was pretty real.
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Been preparing for this coming weekend event, made some changes after the last one which I feel tighten things up a bit more. There are still some other changes I'm considering, but I figured I'd provide an update and some input. Deck: Red Deck Wins Best Deck Ever  //Land 19 Mountain 2 Mutavault //Creatures 2 Firedrinker Satyr 4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Burning-Tree Emissary 4 Firefist Striker 4 Ash Zealot 4 Boros Reckoner 4 Chandra's Phoenix 4 Fanatic of Mogis //Spells 4 Lightning Strike 4 Shock //Planeswalkers 1 Chandra, Pyromaster //Sideboard 4 Mizzium Mortars 3 Ratchet Bomb 4 Skullcrack 2 Chandra, Pyromaster 2 Act of Treason  Display deck statisticsNotable changes since the last iteration: Main
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Mikujin, I'll start testing with those changes tonight. It's good to see something that can drop nightveil, but I might still find room for 2 jets.......
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Mezzanon posted:Mikujin, I'll start testing with those changes tonight. It's good to see something that can drop nightveil, but I might still find room for 2 jets....... The problem is there isn't much room for them.  You might get away with dropping Chandra and maybe one BTE main for them if you really want them in, I guess.
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I've found that my love for Magma Jet and my desire to keep 1 or 2 in my RDW is the hardest decision to make. On one hand, if you're trying to win by turn 4 or 5, you shouldn't care about setting up draws or clearing land out of the way. However, if you end up getting only 2 mana on the board by turn 3 or so, a Magma jet can help you find some. Also, if you're not going to win on turn 4 or 5 and you need a little extra steam, clearing away 1-drop and/or land to potentially draw something better is a great thing, or as a post-sweeper move. Then again, it's 2 mana vs. 1 for Shock, and all my testing has shown that Magma Jet sits in my hand most of the time while Shock gets used often because I'm able to cast it more often and I don't need the scrying often. I only have 1 Chandra right now but as soon as I get a 2nd one I'm dropping my single Magma Jet for her because even though I love the card, it really is the most easily droppable card from the list.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Then again, it's 2 mana vs. 1 for Shock, and all my testing has shown that Magma Jet sits in my hand most of the time while Shock gets used often because I'm able to cast it more often and I don't need the scrying often. This is the exact same thing that happened with MURDERGOATS. If you want a two mana direct damage spell, just play lightning strike. Magma jet is best for control shells splashing red.
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YeehawMcKickass posted:This is the exact same thing that happened with MURDERGOATS. If you want a two mana direct damage spell, just play lightning strike. Magma jet is best for control shells splashing red. I still have one in mine. It's shiny.  The others became shocks in addition to the 2 or 3 Lightning Strikes.
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YeehawMcKickass posted:This is the exact same thing that happened with MURDERGOATS. If you want a two mana direct damage spell, just play lightning strike. Magma jet is best for control shells splashing red. I want to ask how crucial you think shock is to MURDERGOATS! anyway as compared to other possible 1cmc spells. Did it save you or win you games that wouldn't otherwise have been winnable with something like Thoughtseize? MURDERGOATS! is more of a control style deck, anyway.
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The Leper Colon V posted:Why not Because it is blue, and MURDERGOATS! is red/black. I was thinking MURDERGOATS! (I like typing MURDERGOATS!) should consider something like Vile Rebirth, Beckon Apparition, or Titan's Strength. More tokens to chump block/sacrifice/trigger Purphoros, and the ability to scry while letting a token trade are all nice abilities.
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AlternateNu posted:Because it is blue, and MURDERGOATS! is red/black. 
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The Leper Colon V posted:That's a good reason, yeah. I wonder what Grixis MURDERGOATS! would look like.
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AlternateNu posted:I wonder what Grixis MURDERGOATS! would look like. Ive been doing alright splashing white for just the assemble the legion. But id love to see some brainstorming on a grixis build.
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While we're on MURDERGOATS! chat, is anyone else using Mountain Goats to represent the Young Pyromancer elemental tokens?
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AlternateNu posted:MURDERGOATS! (I like typing MURDERGOATS!) It's, like, half the fun. So is swinging with flaming Goat tokens. So is the many deck interactions. Also, beating people with MURDERGOATS. What I'm saying is the deck is 200% fun. 
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Here's the BW midrange list I mean to try tomorrow. Probably needs tuning to my local meta, perhaps should have Deck: Orzhov Midrange 31/10/13  //Creatures 3 Obzedat, Ghost Council 1 Blood Baron of Vizkopa 4 Desecration Demon 4 Sin Collector 4 High Priest of Penance 4 Soldier of the Pantheon //Artifacts and Enchantments 1 Whip of Erebos 1 Underworld Connections //Spells 2 Read the Bones 4 Hero's Downfall 3 Doom Blade 2 Orzhov Charm 2 Thoughtseize //Land 4 Godless Shrine 4 Temple of Silence 2 Orzhov Guildgate 8 Swamp 7 Plains //Sideboard 1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion 1 Pithing Needle 2 Blind Obedience 4 Fiendslayer Paladin 2 Devour Flesh 2 Lifebane Zombie 1 Ratchet Bomb 1 Erebos, God of the Dead 1 Blood Baron of Vizkopa Display deck statistics
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AlternateNu posted:I want to ask how crucial you think shock is to MURDERGOATS! anyway as compared to other possible 1cmc spells. Did it save you or win you games that wouldn't otherwise have been winnable with something like Thoughtseize? MURDERGOATS! is more of a control style deck, anyway. My experience with thoughtseize was that the early life loss ended up being extremely relevant. Super small sample size though.
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YeehawMcKickass posted:My experience with thoughtseize was that the early life loss ended up being extremely relevant. Super small sample size though. I have 2 in the side for control where I don't see the life loss mattering all that much. I've never actually played control, so  Edit: I should say I haven't played standard control. I played against a guy who had stuff that was standard during RTR block. It was pretty effective then. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Oct 31, 2013 |
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Murdergoats! didn't do very well for me last week, but I didn't get much chance to look at it or come up with any potential plays for it. I didn't even have a chance to sleeve up before I got to FNM, because I had to drive a ways away to get the rest of what i needed. What do you suggest?
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I haven't had too much success with MURDERGOATS simply because mono-B is pretty big locally right now, which is difficult. Also, lots of r-based aggro, but that's more manageable. I'm thinking I'm gonna run maindeck ratchet bomb over magma jets, because magma jets aren't good for reasons people here have been clear about, and Ultimate Price over Doom Blade main since there are desecration demons abound. I'm hoping the ratchet bombs will pay off with trading post synergies in addition to getting me some 2-for-1s. Haven't tried thoughtseize because I don't have any, but I'm siding two duress for the control matchup, despite there being one control deck every, say, 3 FMNs. Haven't had a chance to play that match yet though.
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YeehawMcKickass posted:My experience with thoughtseize was that the early life loss ended up being extremely relevant. Super small sample size though. Is this just a Murdergoats- or aggro-specific thing? I'm trying to build mono-black which is more midrangey and I'm trying to figure out if I can do 2 Thoughtseize/2 Duress main instead of a playset, as a cost-cutting measure since I probably won't take this outside of FNM. Then again, mono-black has some good lifegain effects so it probably doesn't matter there.
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Is everyone consistently chaining BTE but me? Whenever I run her, I'm always disappointed past turn 3 when I draw spares. Could not her set be replaced with a pair of Legion Loyalist and a pair of either Mugging or Magma Jet? Mugging has been less disappointing that I initially assessed (and if anyone has any non-foil French ones at a reasonable price, please let me know) and it can always be turned into faceburn by pointing at the one's Reckoner. I'd probably favor Magma Jet, though. Loyalist trigger helps negate Firedrinker's downside.
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Tubgoat posted:Is everyone consistently chaining BTE but me? Whenever I run her, I'm always disappointed past turn 3 when I draw spares. Could not her set be replaced with a pair of Legion Loyalist and a pair of either Mugging or Magma Jet? Mugging has been less disappointing that I initially assessed (and if anyone has any non-foil French ones at a reasonable price, please let me know) and it can always be turned into faceburn by pointing at the one's Reckoner. I'd probably favor Magma Jet, though. Loyalist trigger helps negate Firedrinker's downside.
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Tubgoat posted:Is everyone consistently chaining BTE but me? Whenever I run her, I'm always disappointed past turn 3 when I draw spares. Could not her set be replaced with a pair of Legion Loyalist and a pair of either Mugging or Magma Jet? Mugging has been less disappointing that I initially assessed (and if anyone has any non-foil French ones at a reasonable price, please let me know) and it can always be turned into faceburn by pointing at the one's Reckoner. I'd probably favor Magma Jet, though. Loyalist trigger helps negate Firedrinker's downside. You have bad luck. BTE is the 2nd best card in my RDW after Boros Reckoner. I'd suggest more testing.
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You see 8 cards by turn two, and you typically see 2-4 more cards after that before the game is decided one way or the other. If you're getting more disappointing-BTE-off-the-top's than you are turn-2-BTE-into-something-else, than you're getting some really unusual luck.
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BTEs turning up by turn 3 were the best possible appearance of any card I might have seen with my Gates deck. Free 2/2 blocker(s) all day long 
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Tubgoat posted:Is everyone consistently chaining BTE but me? Whenever I run her, I'm always disappointed past turn 3 when I draw spares. Could not her set be replaced with a pair of Legion Loyalist and a pair of either Mugging or Magma Jet? Mugging has been less disappointing that I initially assessed (and if anyone has any non-foil French ones at a reasonable price, please let me know) and it can always be turned into faceburn by pointing at the one's Reckoner. I'd probably favor Magma Jet, though. Loyalist trigger helps negate Firedrinker's downside. It is really dependent on how many cards you have that can utilize the green mana. Unless your deck is nothing but Ash Zealots, Boros Reckoners, and Rakdos Shredfreaks, you should be getting some use out of her. Honestly, her best interaction (in my deck) is with Nykthos. (Of course, my red deck is more mid-rangy and runs 3 x Nykthos.) She is more or less a mana source in those cases, and it is crazy when you can throw her down on turn three with an Ash Zealot out and go straight into a Fanatic for 5 damage. Lord help your opponent if you have more than one and you can Nykthos ramp for 6 or 8 mana on turn three to dump your whole hand. Edit: The craziest hand I ever had was - Turn 1: Legion Loyalist Turn 2: Ash Zealot Turn 3: Nykthos, BTE, BTE, BTE, Stormbreath Dragon, Fanatic of Mogis. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Oct 31, 2013 |
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AlternateNu posted:It is really dependent on how many cards you have that can utilize the green mana. Unless your deck is nothing but Ash Zealots, Boros Reckoners, and Rakdos Shredfreaks, you should be getting some use out of her. Honestly, her best interaction (in my deck) is with Nykthos. (Of course, my red deck is more mid-rangy and runs 3 x Nykthos.) She is more or less a mana source in those cases, and it is crazy when you can throw her down on turn three with an Ash Zealot out and go straight into a Fanatic for 5 damage. Lord help your opponent if you have more than one and you can Nykthos ramp for 6 or 8 mana on turn three to dump your whole hand. FYI it's almost always better to sequence your BTEs first before playing a land. That way you make sure the mana trigger resolves and you lay Nykthos and activate without passing priority or using the stack
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I played a variation of Mikujin's RDW at the last FNM and got crushed, going, 1-3. I'm not trying to poo poo talk Mikujin's deck. I know it's a good build, and he has the results to prove it, but it seemed like I couldn't do anything against all the drat Detention Spheres and Supreme Verdicts. I also could never seem to draw my Skullcracks at the right time to prevent any lifegain. One game I got owned by a Boros deck that had combat tricks with Boros Charm and God's Willing to help swing the board state in his favor. I found it interesting and thought it might be able to deal with control a little better, so I came up with my own version. quote:Spells My dream scenario is to get Legion's Initiative out along with Purphoros and/or Fanatic and a couple of other creatures to exploit the ETB triggers. Legion's Initiative also has the bonus effect of nullifying Supreme Verdict. Please go easy on me, it's my first non-net deck since I've come back from a long hiatus. 
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