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I have to agree. The material is quite decent, but the voices are mostly off. Lorgar sounds like a Decepticon, Kharn is Ivan Drago with a slightly expanded vocabulary, and I can see why they didn't try to do Argel Tal's doubled voice in the Betrayer audiobook after the small bit here. The pew-pew zoot-zoot sound effects during the space battles were the worst thing, though. I think they were made using those keychain thingies with space/laser sounds we had in the 80s.
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Obviously, when casting these characters, they're not going to match up with what everyone 'hears' them as, but considering that we're dealing with some of the most forceful personalities in a story where the rest of the cast is already larger-than-life, it really wouldn't hurt them to ham it up some -- or at the very least, let these actors have fun with their roles, as it really did come across as stiff, not befitting, say, Lorgar, who seems like he should sound really smooth, resonant, and overall the kind of person you want to keep listening to when they start talking. The one 'new' character, Flag-Captain Lotara, sounded very bland, just kind of a generic formal officer type. Reading Betrayer after listening to that, the character that came across in the writing was anything but. She's probably the single best example of a normal human truly belonging in a space marine legion that the HH series has had yet (with the possible exception of Alpha Legion people, but considering what they are, that counts for less). Easily helping, though, is the way Angron respects everyone under his command -- or struggles to, anyway. God dammit, ADB, why do you have to do tragic villains so drat well. Though on the other hand: Erebus. What's frustrating about this character, in a vast world of depth-havers on every side of the conflict, he's this ridiculous mustache-twirling cartoon bad guy in every way. They really need to do something with him that, if not necessarily turning him sympathetic, at least gives us a better picture of where he's coming from, what drives him, and what his own stakes are.
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Oct 31, 2013 14:00
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Finished James Swallow's Hammer and Anvil a few days ago. Overall it wasn't too bad. It wasn't ADB-level goodness of course, it it wasn't bad for what it was. Nothing glared out in it as being obviously terrible. The only thing that broke up the pacing was the descriptions of the new necron units. This is the first novel I've read featuring the necrons ever since their new tabletop codex came out, so the author had to include a bunch of their new toys and personality. I wouldn't deliberately seek it out, but if you're looking for some basic bolter porn stuff, you could do much worse.
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Oct 31, 2013 14:16
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Mazed posted:Erebus I don't think we've had a POV from him yet but ADB's fleshed him out a bit in The First Heretic and Betrayer. He's a true believer in Chaos, probably one of the first, but despite all his schemes and plans to get above his station, he's just another pawn. It wouldn't be too hard to make him sympathetic considering all his hard work and despite engineering the Heresy itself, he's always going to be nothing more than to the gods than a simple steward or caretaker.
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Oct 31, 2013 14:40
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Erebus is interesting because he's made several off-hand comments that seem to indicate that he hates the concept of Primarchs and wants humanity to reach it's true potential in communion with the Warp Gods. Like, I think he honestly believes that ALL the Primarchs are getting in the way of humanity reaching what he believes to be it's true potential, and that maybe part of his plan in the Heresy is to have them all kill each other/the Emperor.
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Oct 31, 2013 15:09
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Regarding the Priests of Mars series: it is absolutely worth a read. The first one gets into what makes the Mechanicum so strange and cool at the same time, and while the second one isn't half as good as the first it's still a drat good read (although too clearly set up for the third and I assume final book in the series). Where else will you ever read about a worker's revolution in the grim darkness of the far future? I'd say the first one is about on the level of middling Abnett, while the second is about the same level as Wrath of Iron.
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Oct 31, 2013 15:19
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Are there any novels that tell a story from the point of view of people rebelling against the Imperium? I've read Fire Caste, which is written from the perspective of a gue'vesa.
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Oct 31, 2013 15:46
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Erebus is interesting because he's made several off-hand comments that seem to indicate that he hates the concept of Primarchs and wants humanity to reach it's true potential in communion with the Warp Gods. Like, I think he honestly believes that ALL the Primarchs are getting in the way of humanity reaching what he believes to be it's true potential, and that maybe part of his plan in the Heresy is to have them all kill each other/the Emperor. But surely the Warp Gods would put the Primarchs over humanity? Erebus works hard to gain understanding and knowledge of Chaos but that same understanding and knowledge is simply given to Lorgar. Also I can't remember which book it is but one of the newer ones hinted at Erebus looking for allies among the other Space Marines in order to deal with/handle their Primarchs. Considering that Erebus is alive and well by 40,000 but Lorgar and the other Primarchs have ascended beyond any real cares for the mortal plane, perhaps he does win after all.
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Oct 31, 2013 15:52
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Erebus is interesting because he's made several off-hand comments that seem to indicate that he hates the concept of Primarchs and wants humanity to reach it's true potential in communion with the Warp Gods. Like, I think he honestly believes that ALL the Primarchs are getting in the way of humanity reaching what he believes to be it's true potential, and that maybe part of his plan in the Heresy is to have them all kill each other/the Emperor. Someone else has pointed out here that the equerries/advisers of the more flawed/extreme primarchs (Lorgar, Kurze, Angron, Magnus) sort of had to have a take-charge attitude to compensate for their sire's erratic nature. It makes sense that many of them would sigh in relief at anything that helped them even the field a bit and let them work their plans directly. As for Erebus, I actually really like him, when he's kept subtle. I literally smacked my gob in Betrayer when I realized that he reformulated his entire plan to test/manipulate Arget Tal in a single moment, based on one -word- that Raum lets slip ("Deceiver"), switching which ploy is the offer and which one is the test. That said, seeing an unleashed Kharn with nothing to lose mulching him was ridiculously cathartic. Would that they'd let him do the same to Uriel Ventris, or the entire cast of the Salamanders series.
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Oct 31, 2013 15:55
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I'd quite like a short story or novella where the plot is 'Space Marine Loyalists from the 40k era fight World Eaters, then get their poo poo kicked in when Kharn shows up out of a cultists portal, mad as hell and armed with insults to match his ferocity.' Maybe after Kharn shows up the plot switches from 'win the fight' to 'get the apothecary off the planet with as much geneseed as he can save.'
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Oct 31, 2013 18:15
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VanSandman posted:I'd quite like a short story or novella where the plot is 'Space Marine Loyalists from the 40k era fight World Eaters, then get their poo poo kicked in when Kharn shows up out of a cultists portal, mad as hell and armed with insults to match his ferocity.' I know there was one called the Wrath of Kharn where he fucks up some Slaaneshi demon world. It was silly but amusing enough for a short.
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Oct 31, 2013 18:39
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Cream_Filling posted:I know there was one called the Wrath of Kharn where he fucks up some Slaaneshi demon world. It was silly but amusing enough for a short. Already read it. It did, however, raise two questions: when the heck did Abaddon make Kharn's kill-counter and does it make a triumphant tune and flash when he gets a new high score?
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Oct 31, 2013 19:00
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Honestly I'd like to see more stories of Chaos fighting anything that's not Imperial. Chaos vs. Tau or something.
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Oct 31, 2013 19:16
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UberJumper posted:However considering how far away the nearest galaxies are, the Tyranids would had to leave far before M30. It doesn't make any sense that tyranids were just passing by and happened to see the light house, you don't just pass by a galaxy. The Tyranids were already coming, regardless of the lighthouse, for a snack. Or the Pharos device explains why they were already "on their way" to the galaxy. I think that it's entirely possible that the Pharos device is Abnett/Black Library trying to backstop parts of the Tyranid background, establishing that there was something else that drew them towards the galaxy waaaaay before the Astronomicon was up and running. The fact that they've placed the beacon on Sotha (hit hard by the Hive Fleets) and shined it on Maccragge (also hit hard by the Hive Fleets) just seems to be a really elegant bit of fitting some "previously-unknown prior history" to fit the current fluff. Further, it may be that the Pharos device isn't unique, and that there are (or at least were) lots and lots of them out there, drawing the initial attention of the Tyranids.
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Oct 31, 2013 19:24
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Cream_Filling posted:Honestly I'd like to see more stories of Chaos fighting anything that's not Imperial. Chaos vs. Tau or something. World Eaters versus Orks.
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Oct 31, 2013 19:29
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Khizan posted:World Eaters versus Orks. That sounds so fun I wonder why it hasn't been done yet. It would be even more interesting if it was made from the Orks' point of view. "Boss! Deez' here chaos boyz are choppier den we thought! Wat do we do?" "Get stuck in 'arder, you git! Show them Gork is killier den any blood god!"
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Oct 31, 2013 20:44
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VanSandman posted:Already read it. It did, however, raise two questions: when the heck did Abaddon make Kharn's kill-counter and does it make a triumphant tune and flash when he gets a new high score? A) Probably as a gift to avoid being fragged at some point after they fled into the EoT B) Every Kharne kill is a new high score  .
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Oct 31, 2013 20:57
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Khizan posted:World Eaters versus Orks. Siege of Castellax has Iron Warriors vs orks. It's terrible though.
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Oct 31, 2013 22:07
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Siege of Castellax has Iron Warriors vs orks. It's terrible though. Terrible in what way? I've burned through most of what is considered middling to good, so it's getting about time to start scrapping the barrel.
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Oct 31, 2013 22:26
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TheStampede posted:Terrible in what way? I've burned through most of what is considered middling to good, so it's getting about time to start scrapping the barrel. There's a Chaos Space Marine with dinosaur wings named Rodan. I wish I was kidding.
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Oct 31, 2013 22:36
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Mechafunkzilla posted:There's a Chaos Space Marine with dinosaur wings named Rodan. I wish I was kidding. That's not dumb, that's awesome. Sorry you don't like cool things.
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Oct 31, 2013 22:38
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Mechafunkzilla posted:There's a Chaos Space Marine with dinosaur wings named Rodan. I wish I was kidding.
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VanSandman posted:That's not dumb, that's awesome. Sorry you don't like cool things. Also the book is incredibly boring.
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Oct 31, 2013 22:58
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Arquinsiel posted:Also Dinosaurs didn't have wings Don't tell me you're one of those flying dinosaurs are really just birds people.
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Oct 31, 2013 23:01
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Cream_Filling posted:Don't tell me you're one of those flying dinosaurs are really just birds people. That'd be even wronger, because while birds are extremely likely to have descended from dinosaurs, flying reptiles just went extinct.
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Oct 31, 2013 23:11
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Cream_Filling posted:Don't tell me you're one of those flying dinosaurs are really just birds people.
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Oct 31, 2013 23:34
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Kegslayer posted:But surely the Warp Gods would put the Primarchs over humanity? Erebus works hard to gain understanding and knowledge of Chaos but that same understanding and knowledge is simply given to Lorgar. That's actually a pretty good hook for him. He sees events being driven by these demigods who've been just handed incredible power on a silver platter without even "trying", who drive society along with the same effort a normal person exerts to make breakfast. He makes his plans, some of them succeed, some of them fail. When they fail, the primarchs are quite happy to rub it in his face (or, like at the end of Fear to Tread, off his face  ), which is a good way to make a guy bitter.The hypocritical side, of course, is that he himself is artificially augmented far beyond normal human ability, and he regards average mortals as nothing more than tools and cannon fodder. Of course, most marines fall into the same category, they're just better at use of force. So, Erebus is a manipulative sociopath whose feels at best disdain for others, pure hatred more often than not. But, in all of these stories, his only real "friend" appears to be Kor Phaeron, and it's probable that the two knew each other well before they were made legionnaires. Perhaps seeing his buddy struggle with only a partial geneseed-augmentation due to his age skewed his perspective on just how much being astartes was truly worth. Maybe this was touched on in The First Heretic. Need to reread that.
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Things I now know I want: Erebus-Kor Phaeron buddy comedy.
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Finished the Iron Guard. Pretty fun little guard book. I always find it fun to read a book that has no Space Marine content in the WH40k universe. Mostly because of how hosed the galaxy is and seeing normal people fighting against the galaxy works really well. Not saying it was its on par with Cain, the Ghosts, or our favorite pair of Inquisitors but still is a fun diversion while I wait for more retail releases for The Heresy.
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Nov 1, 2013 06:57
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JerryLee posted:Things I now know I want: Erebus-Kor Phaeron buddy comedy. Erebus is that guy who was there since the founding of the company and has given his life, soul and two marriages for the job but he's still stuck in middle management and gets constantly passed over for promotion.
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Kegslayer posted:Erebus is that guy who was there since the founding of the company and has given his life, soul and two marriages for the job but he's still stuck in middle management and gets constantly passed over for promotion. But he's first chaplain of the most religious legion, though. That's like the highest position in the whole legion short of being primarch. He's more like the scheming dickhole vice-president who wants the founder to become old and senile so he can take over the company. He's basically the Dick Jones of 40k. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Nov 1, 2013 |
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Pretty sure Erebus and Kor Phaeron, though allies, despise each other utterly. I think in 40k they have a huge rivalry in the legion, openly clashing with each other. Which is annoying that it's a foregone conclusion that both of them survive the Heresy. Though I am looking forward to what else will happen to Erebus before it's over, as he seems to be a favourite whipping boy for the authors. I guess they think if they can't kill him they'll do other nasty poo poo to him.
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Every major Chaos player gets a free shot at Erebus in time. All in their own special fashion. Typhus: "Hey." Erebus: "I arrive." Typhus: "Wait...wait UGH, what's that smell? Auugh...that's disgusting! Aww, man, did you DO that?" Erebus: "Oh, gently caress you."
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Is there any CM that has surpased their primarch in favor with the chaos gods? Off the top of my head it feels like there is potentially two that come close Lucius - can essentially never die cause if anyone kills him and feels even a fraction of satisfaction at the kill gets possessed by the now revived immortal swords man Fabious Bile - Fabulous and has a pimp death cane. Can't help but feel both Nurgle and Zeetch can't favor him just a tad. Kharn might be a close third on this list. But then again my knowledge of the lore is limited but I get the distinct impression that outside of Fulgrum that the Primarchs have done gently caress all since ascending. Maybe Angron but then again all he's really done of note is manage to find out he can fight 106 Gray Knights at the same time.
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EyeRChris posted:Is there any CM that has surpased their primarch in favor with the chaos gods? Abaddon and Typhus are probably top of that list.
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Yeah, most of the primarchs have been pretty useless since the Heresy - but when you think about it, actually comparatively few of them are still around. Horus died, Kurze died, Fulgrim died (well, as good as, that daemon ain't him), Perturabo forted his rear end up and ain't coming out. Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Alpharius/Omegon, and Lorgar are the only ones really still able to make inroad. Angron has (albeit fairly ineffectually). Alpharius (maybe) killed Roboute (mostly), which happened well after the Heresy, from memory. Magnus, Lorgar and Mortarion are being lazy fuckers though, and the daemon that ate Fulgrim isn't doing much either. And yeah, I'm pretty sure the likes of Kharn and Lucius are... if not more favoured then certainly more favoured in the mortal sphere. They're the only two the gods work to actively bring back from the dead, after all, including Kurze and Horus himself.
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I like the idea that, after the Iron Cage incident, Perturabo just went to his room, slammed the door, and just sulked and kept tinkering with stuff like he was and somewhere along the lines he just because a daemon prince and no one even noticed (including him).
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thespaceinvader posted:Yeah, most of the primarchs have been pretty useless since the Heresy - but when you think about it, actually comparatively few of them are still around. Horus died, Kurze died, Fulgrim died (well, as good as, that daemon ain't him), Perturabo forted his rear end up and ain't coming out. Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Alpharius/Omegon, and Lorgar are the only ones really still able to make inroad. Angron has (albeit fairly ineffectually). Alpharius (maybe) killed Roboute (mostly), which happened well after the Heresy, from memory. Magnus, Lorgar and Mortarion are being lazy fuckers though, and the daemon that ate Fulgrim isn't doing much either. Just a note, Fulgrim defeated the demon trying to possess him shortly after it actually did it, as seen in the horrible butt rape torture story that got discussed at length earlier in the thread.
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UberJumper posted:Has there been anything about Abnetts next Gaunts Ghosts book? I thought it was supposed to be out in October. But i can't even find mention of it on the site anymore. Amazon to the rescue. Puts the ship date from Amazon on July 1, 2014. Probably will be out before then from BL.
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I also like the idea that as soon as Abnett wrote in Legion that the primarch of the Alpha Legion is actually a set of twins, that it immediately implies that there is one Primarch unaccounted for in 40k. Like, that's loving Earth-shaking if it was something that wasn't considered within the meta-plot of the books up till that point.
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