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Somewhere you'll find a map of everywhere the vikings landed, ever.
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Radio Prune posted:Maps are easily the best thing about irredentism. Just Google image search "greater [country]" and you always get something interesting or
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Don't the Danes want Skåne back? I suspect it's just realism. There's not much hope for the smaller countries.
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I see you found a map of Greater Vatican City
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Farecoal posted:I see you finally found a map of Greater Vatican City Wouldn't Greater Vatican City be the Papal States?
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Phlegmish posted:I suspect it's just realism. There's not much hope for the smaller countries. That doesn't stop some people, here's The Greatest Netherlands   
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Ahah what's up with Japan, it some sort of protectorate or vassal?
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Greater Denmark would clearly be Knut the Great's realm.   Well, that or just the Kalmar Union I guess
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What a weird world that would be.
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Danes don't at least want Norway back?
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Here is the map of Greater Vatican City Edit: drat you Silver2195
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Phlegmish posted:Here is the map of Greater Vatican City  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_constantine
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I have seen Greater Denmark used by historians to describe the Danish annexationist project in Schleswig-Holstein in the 19th century, for what it's worth.
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Lycus posted:I can't find a map of Greater Liechtenstein. There are Greater Luxembourg proponents out there, though
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Phlegmish posted:Don't the Danes want Skåne back? No one wants Skåne.
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Phlegmish posted:Don't the Danes want Skåne back?  It helps that it actually has some support in Skåne though*, even if most of our old territory has been thoroughly ethnically cleansed/gotten the Occitan treatment. The Scanians care far more about it than most Danes though, we've basically spent the last 300 years pretending it was never ours, and the Swedes have done the same. Would prefer a united Scandinavia with more cultural autonomy though, this is like the only time in history that no great powers would be super upset about it.*Along with independence and autonomy. Basically, they just don't like the Stockholmers. Phlegmish posted:I suspect it's just realism. There's not much hope for the smaller countries. cheerfullydrab posted:Danes don't at least want Norway back?
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cheerfullydrab posted:That's kind of small compared to what the Popes were directly given by the first Christian Roman Emperor. The title of Pontifex Maximus, still held by the Pope, was held long before by the Roman Emperors. So this is the real Greater Vatican City  I think we could reasonably throw in the HRE at its greatest extent along with all territories held by Russia and Turkic peoples (since they both inherited the Roman Empire) without going overboard, too. Koramei fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Nov 4, 2013 |
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Rumda posted:the whole wikipedia page is a mess of nationalism gone mad. But unlike irredentist movements (many of which mainly exist on Wikipedia), that page is more about areas under traditional Persian/Iranian influence, rather than an aspiration to redraw the map to make modern Iran cover all that territory.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:We (I) do. Anyway, alternate history greater Sweden:  I like the subdivisions and the usage of the Vasa coat of arms 
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Phlegmish posted:Don't the Danes want Skåne back?  Pretty borders, they said.
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I tried to look up claims of Canadian irredentism, but the only major dispute seems to be internal between provinces. Silly Quebec thinks it owns Labrador  .
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Kainser posted:I live in Skåne and this is really not a thing unless you with 'some support' mean an incredibly small amount of people. I guess autonomy is a thing but that's still a very minor issue currently. If only Poizen Jam posted:I tried to look up claims of Canadian irredentism, but the only major dispute seems to be internal between provinces. Silly Quebec thinks it owns Labrador The Quebec-Labrador border is an abomination to ocd people
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:But unlike irredentist movements (many of which mainly exist on Wikipedia), that page is more about areas under traditional Persian/Iranian influence, rather than an aspiration to redraw the map to make modern Iran cover all that territory. Some interesting stuff there.  Completely unrealistic from a political point of view, but it's a different matter when you look at the demographics: 
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I found maps of Greater Canada that included Greenland, Alaska, and the northern half of the American midwest.
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Kainser posted:I live in Skåne and this is really not a thing unless you with 'some support' mean an incredibly small amount of people. I guess autonomy is a thing but that's still a very minor issue currently. Poizen Jam posted:I tried to look up claims of Canadian irredentism, but the only major dispute seems to be internal between provinces. Silly Quebec thinks it owns Labrador
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KoldPT posted:
This includes Galicia, I assume. I don't know, it looks a bit silly. The Chile of Europe.
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ekuNNN posted:That doesn't stop some people, here's The Greatest Netherlands That's got to be a picture from an alternative history. Looking at it I can see New Spain and New France as countries, and various other conglomerated states.
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So what did the British all die to a plague or something in that universe?
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Reveilled posted:That's got to be a picture from an alternative history. Looking at it I can see New Spain and New France as countries, and various other conglomerated states. And China going to the Caspian with that damnable Kazakh border. Also some kind of über Manchuria/Korea.
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It's some alternative history thing but based mainly on places Dutch explorers or traders landed, it seems: http://lamnay.deviantart.com/art/Groot-Nederland-206986625
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 "Chile and Peru are fighting for ocean rights on Hague Tribunal (Haya). Blue line is the actual and latitude distribution. Green line is what Peru asked first. Red line is the current lawsuit." also: 
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Reveilled posted:That's got to be a picture from an alternative history. Looking at it I can see New Spain and New France as countries, and various other conglomerated states.
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Chile always wins in these situations. Next thing you know the Peruvians will be forced to build embarrassingly passive-aggressive monuments like the Bolivians: 
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Poizen Jam posted:I tried to look up claims of Canadian irredentism, but the only major dispute seems to be internal between provinces. Silly Quebec thinks it owns Labrador Peninsular integrity! (Yes we know it's a lost cause ever since the Privy Council took it from Lower Canada. The British Empire giveth and taketh away.) (Cheap Churchill electricity is Québec's pound of flesh.)
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The truth is there isn't much Canadian irredentism because Canadians have a cultural inclination to defer to authority even if they don't like it. Part of being a willing member of the British Empire and in fact clinging to it for dear life.
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Fojar38 posted:The truth is there isn't much Canadian irredentism because Canadians have a cultural inclination to defer to authority even if they don't like it. Part of being a willing member of the British Empire and in fact clinging to it for dear life. You've really been posting up a storm lately. Would you say that the main issue in national Canadian politics, the Quebec independence movement, is down to deference to authority?
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:You've really been posting up a storm lately. Would you say that the main issue in national Canadian politics, the Quebec independence movement, is down to deference to authority? I've been taking advantage of GBS 2.1 to let off some steam, if that's what you're talking about. I'll admit that when I said that I should've specified English Canada. Quebec not only doesn't have the imperial history that English Canada does (at least not to the same extent, particularly since they were sold out by France after the Seven Years War) but it's also resulted in them being far more protective of any sense of cultural sovereignty that they have. Still, you don't see much irredentism even in Quebec. There's an independence movement that has lost most of its steam since the 1991 referendum but even that shifted from "sovereignty" to "sovereignty association" a while ago. Sovereignty association basically means sovereignty but still with a degree of deference to Ottawa as far as political and economic issues are concerned. So while it's different in Quebec I'd still say that there's a degree of deference to authority there. Heck, even when they want independence they reject force as a means of doing so and are really only willing to do it with permission from the Canadian government. Hence a referendum instead of a rebellion.
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ekuNNN posted:It's some alternative history thing but based mainly on places Dutch explorers or traders landed, it seems: Oh my:  "Second European War posted:1942, once again Europe is on the brink of war. France, defeated and disgraced twenty years before has risen again. Under the iron rule of Dictator Jacques Déat the Republic has united with Belgium, divided Switzerland with Mussolini and crushed the Royalists in Spain. Now the time has come to sweep away the old order, the decadent Germanic monarchies will fall, and the heirs of Rome will take their rightful place as rulers of Europe, if the Entente has it's way at least. Alternate History  (His page is full of this sort of thing)
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Phlegmish posted:Some interesting stuff there. The only problem with Greater Mexico is that 1. Most Mexican-Americans (and Mexican immigrants) would be as opposed to it as their fellow residents and 2. Almost all of them (save a handful in New Mexico and a few others scattered about) showed up well after U.S. Annexation. No empire is as glorious, or as well named, as the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere: 
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