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Kainser posted:I live in Skåne and this is really not a thing unless you with 'some support' mean an incredibly small amount of people. I guess autonomy is a thing but that's still a very minor issue currently. What is the basis for Sweden's claim to Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland in this alternate history?
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JosefStalinator posted:No empire is as glorious, or as well named, as the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere: Isn't that missing some stuff? Like the Celebes/Sulawesi and New Guinea?
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JosefStalinator posted:No empire is as glorious, or as well named, as the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere: Who exactly owns Alaska in that scenario? Family Values posted:What is the basis for Sweden's claim to Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland in this alternate history? I'm guessing Sweden somehow scores New Netherlands from the Dutch, and adds it to New Sweden?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_colonization_of_the_Americas They were colonies at one point. quote:Isn't that missing some stuff? Like the Celebes/Sulawesi and New Guinea? I noticed that too, and there's some other wonky stuff going on in the rest of the world. Japan wanted all of New Guinea, the last bits of Indonesia, the rest of the South Pacific, and probably would have moved to neutralize Australia, even if it wasn't necessarily eager to completely occupy the country. I did some research a while back on the full extent of Japan's claims for a data project, and I don't think the army would have ruled out Australian occupation if they were steamrolling elsewhere. As always, the navy would have resisted but probably just gone along for the ride...
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JosefStalinator posted:The only problem with Greater Mexico is that 1. Most Mexican-Americans (and Mexican immigrants) would be as opposed to it as their fellow residents and 2. Almost all of them (save a handful in New Mexico and a few others scattered about) showed up well after U.S. Annexation. Who knew that the revival of the Confederacy and Greater Brazil were Axis war goals? Especially since Brazil was an Allied power.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:
That's a pretty weak conflict considering this thread is full of crazy irredentist claims and *pretty borders*. Pithy little island disputes are kind of weak.
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Poizen Jam posted:That's a pretty weak conflict considering this thread is full of crazy irredentist claims and *pretty borders*. Pithy little island disputes are kind of weak.   Yup island disputes are 100% irrelevant.
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Fojar38 posted:So that one was from Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory series right? Nah, Mexico is smaller in that timeline than it is in our own and Mexico still has California on that map. Looks like it's from yet another lovely alt history, Dawn of Hope.
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I like how that state is supposedly significantly weaker than the USA. I know it's not all about territory but come on. At least throw in Cascadia and Quebec or something. The page for it lists the population as 560,000,000, so obviously immigration has indeed been very high here. Oh and this looks like the Canadians are in charge, because the capital is Toronto and the Head of State is Lizzy 2, so I guess like 400,000,000~ Americans figured that whole Declaration of Independence thing was a mistake? I further appreciate how this world-spanning absolutely unchallengable Nazi Germany has let the Spanish and Italians keep a hold of Gibraltar, the Suez, and others. Actually the whole thing is barely-readable insanity. http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Weltreich_%28Dawn_of_Hope%29
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Koramei posted:
Don't forget Rockall! 
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Fojar38 posted:I've been taking advantage of GBS 2.1 to let off some steam, if that's what you're talking about. So this maritime culture that was the only part of English Canada to exist prior to the revolutionary war is responsible for Canadian deference to authority? Continue to enlighten me good sir! As for Quebec there was something called the FLQ. They had no problem using violence in their fight for independence.
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Panas posted:So this maritime culture that was the only part of English Canada to exist prior to the revolutionary war is responsible for Canadian deference to authority? Continue to enlighten me good sir! I don't think I mentioned anything about any maritime culture. It has less to do with maritime culture and more to do with English Canada being largely founded by loyalists. quote:As for Quebec there was something called the FLQ. They had no problem using violence in their fight for independence. They killed one politician (by accident) and blew up some mailboxes. They were the pussiest revolutionary group ever even by Canadian standards.
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Phlegmish posted:Merging towns and villages to create new municipalities does make a lot of sense in densely populated regions such as the Low Countries, but of course you're not supposed to allow them to retain separate administrations of any kind or it defeats the point. I also think the Netherlands went a bit overboard in some cases. This is the municipality of Súdwest-Fryslân: I assume these municipalities are administrative regions between province and village. If so, that would be the equivalent of a county in the U.S. The largest U.S. county is San Bernardino, in California. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Bernardino_County - 52,000 km2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands - 41,000 km2
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Old James posted:I assume these municipalities are administrative regions between province and village. If so, that would be the equivalent of a county in the U.S. This link is fun if you like relative sizes. List of political and geographic subdivisions by total area
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Fojar38 posted:I don't think I mentioned anything about any maritime culture. It has less to do with maritime culture and more to do with English Canada being largely founded by loyalists. I think you mean english canada was founded by american settlers who came north for free land. Saying you were a loyalist was an easy way to get a free farm in Upper Canada. It's also the reason the British were worried they would defect to the states when the war started. As for Quebec would it have been better if it had been a North American Algeria? There's a reason you don't see violent independence struggles in relatively rich societies.
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HorseRenoir posted:Don't forget Rockall! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1maOiysZe-4 I'm like third generation American but Grandma loved this track. Old James posted:The largest U.S. county is San Bernardino, in California. Not only bigger than the Netherlands, it also contains more meth.
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Shadeoses posted:That's a lot of guano Speaking of which... Guano Islands Act quote:The Guano Islands Act (11 Stat. 119, enacted 18 August 1856, codified at 48 U.S.C. ch. 8 §§ 1411-1419) is federal legislation passed by the U.S. Congress that enables citizens of the U.S. to take possession of islands containing guano deposits. The islands can be located anywhere, so long as they are not occupied and not within the jurisdiction of other governments. It also empowers the President of the United States to use the military to protect such interests and establishes the criminal jurisdiction of the United States.
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Lord Tywin posted:Greater Switzerland Those are pretty much the ugliest borders imaginable.
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Lord Tywin posted:Greater Switzerland
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Tony Jowns posted:Those are pretty much the ugliest borders imaginable. I'm curious as to how it would actually look on a map.
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PrinceRandom posted:This link is fun if you like relative sizes. Come on British Empire, you almost had the land mass of the Moon, so close.
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Radio Prune posted:I'm curious as to how it would actually look on a map. Here you go: 
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Plinkey posted:Come on British Empire, you almost had the land mass of the Moon, so close. There's still time.
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Peanut President posted:Here you go: Looks like cancer.
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ekuNNN posted:That doesn't stop some people, here's The Greatest Netherlands If you look elsewhere, you might find this map:  This map shows what a number of people want: for Flanders (the Dutch-speaking part of Belgium; the little green 'hole' is Brussels which is bilingual, and nobody knows what to do with it) to join up with the Netherlands. As far as I know, a large minority of Dutch would not mind if this happens. Long ago, it was one country already, and joining together would bring economic prosperity to both parts. Most Flemish people disagree. Some want to secede from Belgium (understandable, because Flanders is the richest region of the country), but they generally don't want to join up with the Netherlands, fearing that the larger, more populous Netherlands will assimilate their culture. In any case, for some reason modern fascist groups really like this map, which is why it's sometimes considered some sort of fascist symbol, just like this flag:  (orange on top instead of red). To make things more complicated, according to Wikipedia there's also a group who wants 'Whole Netherlands' as a country which would include the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and certain neighbouring regions of Germany and France.On another note: Someone told me the other day they had seen a map or a list of countries that have been invaded by the Dutch at any point in the past. According to that list, there were only seven countries that were never invaded by the Dutch at all. The thing used a rather broad definition. For instance, the list/map said that Spain was 'invaded' because of a supposed large role for the Dutch in the Inquisition. First, I don't know if the Dutch had anything to do with the Inquisition at all. Secondly, all countries but seven? That sounds hard to believe. Does anyone have any information on this? Carbon dioxide fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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Bloodnose posted:Why exactly is Flanders not part of the Netherlands? Is it just a Catholic/Protestant thing? How did it get fused with Wallonia? Kind of. The modern Netherlands, Flanders, and Wallonia (the last two were the Southern Netherlands) all belonged to Spain, but around 1570 the Dutch began a long, bloody war of independence against them. They succeeded, but for whatever reason the Spanish kept the Southern Netherlands, I'm assuming because it was a valuable area with a lot of trade, and the northern Netherlands wanting to take whatever peace they could get. Later the Catholic/Protestant divide between the new Dutch Republic and the Spanish (later Austrian due to royal family shenanigans) Netherlands became more prominent due to a Protestant exodus from the Spanish Netherlands, though there was always a large Catholic minority in the Dutch Republic. Anyway, during the French Revolutionary Wars France invaded the Austrian Netherlands and eventually the Dutch Republic, annexing both. After the Napoleonic Wars ended the Northern and Southern Netherlands were united: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands However, due to the Catholic/pProtestant divide, an economic slump, and a rather bad king, in 1830 Flanders and Wallonia rebelled against the Netherlands and became the Belgium we know today. Basically it was a combination of religious differences and historical momentum that overrode any linguistic or cultural factors.
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Bloodnose posted:Why exactly is Flanders not part of the Netherlands? Is it just a Catholic/Protestant thing? How did it get fused with Wallonia? As far as I'm aware, the Flemings might have remained with the Dutch anyway, after the Napoleonic Wars resulted in the two being reunited, if it wasn't because the Dutch repeated the Spanish mistake and made the Catholics decide they needed to go. The fact that the great powers were pretty happy to see Belgium go independent meant the Dutch didn't get a second chance at making it work. That's my understanding at least. I assume Phlegmish will correct any mistakes.
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Those are good explanations for why Flanders is not in the Netherlands, but how did they end up stuck with Wallonia? And how did that union survive early 20th century nationalism? Belgium seems on the brink of splitting up today even in the peace-loving, multicultural 21st century. And why did the Walloons not get absorbed into France, considering they're all Catholic and (kinda)Francophones.
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Bloodnose posted:
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Bloodnose posted:And why did the Walloons not get absorbed into France, considering they're all Catholic and (kinda)Francophones.
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cheerfullydrab posted:Talleyrand's partition plan for Belgium, during its revolution. Was Brussels even Francophone at the time?
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