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Slavvy posted:That...makes no sense at all Maybe WOP is now a slur for Indian people? I really haven't been keeping up with casual racism.
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Nov 5, 2013 02:28
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I don't know if Harley's marketing is slick enough to rope in hipsters. They've just written Soul, Authentic, Urban in dumb fonts. They need to start producing vimeo videos if they want in. This makes 3 hipster aimed bikes, the Yamaha Bolt, that weird BMW whatever, and this thing. Hipster bikes are the choppers of this decade.
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Nov 5, 2013 02:35
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LOL 4 ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKxQtRpaBo0
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Nov 5, 2013 02:50
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What makes a bike aimed at hipsters, exactly, besides a video of the bike being ridden by a bearded dude in ray-bans and all-stars? There's nothing particularly special about that bike, and nothing obvious in common between the H-D, the Bolt and the BMW.
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Nov 5, 2013 03:08
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Sagebrush posted:What makes a bike aimed at hipsters, exactly, besides a video of the bike being ridden by a bearded dude in ray-bans and all-stars? There's nothing particularly special about that bike, and nothing obvious in common between the H-D, the Bolt and the BMW. a bike is a bike is a bike, it's how it's marketed that forms people's opinions. Look at the Gladius. If Suzuki had just chucked it on the showroom floor and said nothing about it, it would have had a very different reception. Basically marketing ruins motorcycling.
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Nov 5, 2013 03:17
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Linedance posted:a bike is a bike is a bike, it's how it's marketed that forms people's opinions. Look at the Gladius. If Suzuki had just chucked it on the showroom floor and said nothing about it, it would have had a very different reception. Basically marketing ruins motorcycling.
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Nov 5, 2013 04:05
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Sagebrush posted:What makes a bike aimed at hipsters, exactly, besides a video of the bike being ridden by a bearded dude in ray-bans and all-stars? There's nothing particularly special about that bike, and nothing obvious in common between the H-D, the Bolt and the BMW. The marketing, as hnasty has so succinctly demonstrated. Usually it's in conjunction with the bike having vaguely retro overtones, wildly clashing styling themes, a faint whiff of "cafe racer style" and no clear function/price-driven market segment.
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Nov 5, 2013 04:12
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Harley Davidson comes out with a line of motorcycles weighing less than 500 lbs and water cooled and all anyone can talk about is that they advertise to weird people?
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Nov 5, 2013 04:29
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FUCKIN HIGH PERFORMANCE JAP poo poo I TELL YA
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Nov 5, 2013 04:42
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Slavvy posted:The marketing, as hnasty has so succinctly demonstrated. Usually it's in conjunction with the bike having vaguely retro overtones, wildly clashing styling themes, a faint whiff of "cafe racer style" and no clear function/price-driven market segment. poo poo, I wasn't aware the Bolt was meant to be a hipster bike, but I didn't really pay attention to the marketing. I just thought it was a Yamaha Sportster. Though the Sportster models it most closely resembles do have that whiff of being targeted at the tight jeans and big beards crowd, so I dunno. E: metric-sized harleys are weeeeird Phy fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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Nov 5, 2013 04:51
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I'm not sure if Yamahas reveal at EICMA should be here or in the stupid poo poo thread. So easy a child could ride it...
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Nov 5, 2013 05:21
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HAMAS HATE BOAT posted:Harley Davidson comes out with a line of motorcycles weighing less than 500 lbs and water cooled and all anyone can talk about is that they advertise to weird people?
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Nov 5, 2013 05:40
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Seriously though this has blown my mind. I cannot believe this is real. The end of an era. HAMAS HATE BOAT (props for name!) is ultimately right. The whole thing is staggering, it's like the pope throwing condoms at a crowd of gay abortion supporters. We're going to have to think of a bunch of new tropes. Maybe harley have decided that one day their average buyer's fuckwit children are going to want a motorbike, and that motorbike should be a harley? Strategically it seems like a good idea at any rate. Be interesting to see what the media think of them now that they are competing on a direct parity basis with metrics.
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Nov 5, 2013 05:44
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UH GOD drat HARLEY RUINING THEIR LINEAGE WHAT A DISGRACE TO THE NAME Seriously though, they had to go to water cooling sooner or later. EPA and euro emissions requirements are killing off the big displacement air-cooled bikes. I just wish they would've done it when project nova was going on, things would've been a lot different now.
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Nov 5, 2013 05:55
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I was under the impression that the more recent Harleys were air-cooled in name only anyway, what with the way their oil system is designed. Sort of like the last air-cooled 911s, which have a thermostat-controlled oil cooling fan and carry !12 quarts! of oil in the loop.
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Nov 5, 2013 06:01
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Sagebrush posted:I was under the impression that the more recent Harleys were air-cooled in name only anyway, what with the way their oil system is designed. Sort of like the last air-cooled 911s, which have a thermostat-controlled oil cooling fan and carry !12 quarts! of oil in the loop. I think that up until this year, the only Harleys with a dedicated oil cooler were the top end touring models. There's not much info on them other than the marketing material, so we need to make fun of something.
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Nov 5, 2013 06:12
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My first thoughts: I am really curious how the power figures will end up. A water-cooled 750cc should easily match or best an air-cooled 883cc, the smallest Sportster, and outperform it with 80lbs less to move. IIRC the 883cc is only in the 50-55whp range. Do they gut the 750 to keep it out of Sportster sales, or do they let it have some oomph and count on bumping the Sportster up later? And then I looked at some of the competition: Whoa, actually, it looks like the Shadow 750s are only in the 38whp range and they're also liquid-cooled. Goddamn. So the Street 750 could well be in that range, making the 883cc Sportster a reasonable step-up. And the 2014 Shadows are up around 535lbs wet, meaning the Street 750 is 50lbs lighter. And - more impressively - $750 cheaper, being $7,500 compared to the $8,240 MSRP of the Shadow 750s. That's crazy. The small cruiser market is worse than I thought.
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Nov 5, 2013 08:14
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Yamaha Bolt: 540 lbs Yamaha VStar Custom: 514 lbs Honda Shadow RS: 503 lbs Kawasaki Vulcan 900: 610 lbs Suzuki Boulevard M50: 593 lbs Triumph America: 550 lbs Harley Iron 883: 562 lbs Honda CTX700: 494 lbs (per a review, not on the mfr website) Harley Street 750: claimed 480 lbs wet The lightest cruiser style motorcycle on the market, by a lot, that isn't a babby thumper for babbys is a harley davidson V-twin. The triumph and CTX are also I2's. Next closest thing is the Suzuki S40 650cc thumper at 381. The V-rod these (motors) are allegedly based on is nearly 200 lbs heavier. Other than maybe bullshit weight claim, wtf is Harley doing? Aluminum? Why would Harley of all people bother lying about their weight?
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Nov 5, 2013 08:20
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Not to upset the lifestyle selection guide discussion, but the CTX is a loving awesome bike.
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Nov 5, 2013 09:22
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"It's basically free"
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Nov 5, 2013 10:19
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"it's like going to fast food places every day, I can take that out of my budget, and for 4 dollars a day I can have a HARLEY DAVIDSON." I can't tell if he's just parroting what the salesman told him or if he's just kinda brainwashed. Incidentally if it's say 2% interest and a $4000 bike with no down payment, that 4 dollars indicates that he's got it on a 36 month term. e: did you know that on a motorcycle, you can slow down and speed up when you need to? Is this a special Harley Davidson feature? Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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Nov 5, 2013 10:44
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Sagebrush posted:"it's like going to fast food places every day, I can take that out of my budget, and for 4 dollars a day I can have a HARLEY DAVIDSON." I can't tell if he's just parroting what the salesman told him or if he's just kinda brainwashed. They've already won because you think he's a real person.
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Nov 5, 2013 10:46
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You live in the Bay area. You've never met dudes like in that video? I see a couple dozen a day.
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Nov 5, 2013 10:48
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Cycle World posted:Separate aluminum cylinders are fitted with pressed-in iron liners, and the only difference between the 500 and 750 versions, which share a 66.0mm stroke, is the bore. The 500’s is 69.0mm, which makes for an actual displacement of 494cc. The 750’s bore, at 85.0mm, makes for a displacement of 749cc. Redline for both engines is 8,000 rpm, and peak power for the 750, though not officially announced, was said by one Harley rep to be 54 hp at 7,500 rpm, with 44 pound-feet of peak torque arriving at an unspecified rpm. A single balance shaft keeps the V-twin from shaking too much, and a six-speed transmission works with Harley’s familiar belt final drive. If those numbers are right, that puts the water-cooled 750 a little above the 883 Iron for HP and about the same for torque. Couple other points: quote:a liquid-cooled 60-degree V-twin whose chain-driven single overhead camshafts operate four valves per cylinder via roller rockers with screw adjusters. ... a step back from no-maintenance hydraulic lifters, I'm sure Harleyites will bitch about that one. quote:the goal was to produce a smaller, nimble bike that had enough suspension travel to handle rough urban streets. To that end, the blacked-out Street, which is based on a narrow, steel perimeter frame, offers two inches more travel front and rear than an Iron 883. “We wanted it to be light and fun, and have a more neutral riding position,” explained Vorndran, who added that Harley has been more weight-conscious with the Street than it has with other models. Both Street models, for the record, tip the scales at a claimed 480 lb. wet, which is roughly 200 lb. lighter than, say, an Iron 883. The Street’s fuel tank and fenders are steel. Sportsters and Harleys in general having poo poo suspension with no travel is a common complaint (really, a common one with the whole genre) so having actual shock absorbtion is also interesting. I'm curious as to how this works with the Sportster line because unless you absolutely must have that air-cooled engine for whatever dumb reason, I'm not seeing any point in buying an Iron 883 any more.
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Nov 5, 2013 11:19
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Should I feel bad that I've used the "basically free" line almost word for word?
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Nov 5, 2013 11:25
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Also this thing is probably a riot to ride but man is it not fun to look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-X30h9s1Vc
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Nov 5, 2013 11:27
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BMW's new naked S1000R 2014:Visordown.com posted:
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Nov 5, 2013 12:17
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chia posted:BMW's new naked S1000R 2014: lol so they looked at the Tuono V4 and said "Yes, let's make that but even uglier and hamstring the power!"
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Nov 5, 2013 12:24
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goddamnedtwisto posted:lol so they looked at the Tuono V4 and said "Yes, let's make that but even uglier and hamstring the power!" Pretty much. And that torque curve makes me sad (compared to the new superduke...).
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Nov 5, 2013 12:28
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The BMW styling looks outright restrained next to the Kawasaki
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Nov 5, 2013 12:31
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Snowdens Secret posted:The BMW styling looks outright restrained next to the Kawasaki I actually kinda like the Z1000. If you're gonna go for that sort of look go really big or go home. Also I really want to know what that bar on the left of the speedo cluster represents.
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Nov 5, 2013 12:44
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Given a choice between the S1000R and the new Z1000 I'll take the monster 1200. Speaking of 1200's the best touring bike ever, the R1200RT, is getting a wethead:  Announcement later today/tomorrow.
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Nov 5, 2013 12:48
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Also I really want to know what that bar on the left of the speedo cluster represents. On the Kawi? The tacho is split, RPM 0-3000 is on the lower half going vertical, 4000-redline is top half going horizontal. I have mixed feelings about it I don't mind the overall theme but with every revision Kawi just adds way too many uncoordinated shapes and angles, it's impossible to sweep the eye across without it dragging in odd directions, and that's a bad thing for something trying to look fast.
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Nov 5, 2013 12:48
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Snowdens Secret posted:On the Kawi? The tacho is split, RPM 0-3000 is on the lower half going vertical, 4000-redline is top half going horizontal. I have mixed feelings about it  No way that's the real instrument cluster. chia fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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Nov 5, 2013 13:08
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That's horrendous. That would actually turn me off buying one of them over other options in that class of bike.
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Nov 5, 2013 13:26
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Kawasaki has a history of trying to make "futuristic" instrument clusters and failing hard. Looks like they're continuing the tradition here.
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Nov 5, 2013 13:39
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That actually looks like a digital dash from an 80's car. With TURBO.
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Nov 5, 2013 13:51
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Ugh. There's no problem in having a funky looking dash so long as it is functional too. See: KTM 1290 Super Duke:
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chia posted:That actually looks like a digital dash from an 80's car. With TURBO.  Z31 cluster kept me amused for way longer than it should have.
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