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HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Crossposting from the Let's Invest thread.

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/mcy/4161253548.html
"They have a little higher top end due to this bike being torqued down one, for more torque."

For rant content:
Why the gently caress can't you do some basic research when you're selling a bike instead of just making up complete bullshit? FFS, all you have to do is read the Wikipedia page and loving KBB values.

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unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

HenryJLittlefinger posted:

Crossposting from the Let's Invest thread.

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/mcy/4161253548.html
"They have a little higher top end due to this bike being torqued down one, for more torque."

For rant content:
Why the gently caress can't you do some basic research when you're selling a bike instead of just making up complete bullshit? FFS, all you have to do is read the Wikipedia page and loving KBB values.

Haha, man you're dealing with Craigslist. I've never really had a bad experience, just the once in a while never-show-up type, but Craigslist attracts some pretty dumb folks.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
From the seller side: I am selling a Daytona 675 with revalved/resprung suspension, a non-repairable salvage title, verified straight, salvaged while I owned the bike, I can recount it's history, the compression specs, the current specs on the valves, the number of trackdays on the brake pads, and I've been up front with everything about the bike. I post up saying "Hey, don't lowball/only message me if you're ready to buy, i really don't need to sell this thing", then I get this message:

some random dude guy posted:

Sounds like you're getting lowballed! I have 2.3k cash ready but I'd like a major service done and the ram air fully repaired in addition to the bike

Z3n posted:

What's the price going to be on that?

some random dude guy posted:

You'd have to call them, I think the price on a major service is $300. I mostly care about the valve clearances

Z3n posted:

So that, plus the OEM cost on the ram air, an hour of labor, and you're offering me...$1600 for the bike?

loving seriously?

Bugdrvr
Mar 7, 2003

I just find it funny that people think "custom choppers" are still worth anything.
You paid $35,000 for that chrome, billet, stretched, abortion that was all the pre-crash rage with the white trash (i.e. now broke as gently caress and unable to secure credit) crowd and somehow think it's still worth that much? Really?
Keep dreaming. And yes, it's still ugly.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
In related news, the bank is foreclosing on the remnants of Big Dog. I'm not into goofy expensive cruisers, but it was a cool addition to my town. It's all the goddamn sewing machine stores fault for shutting down their rally because closing down the street near their sewing machine store for one drat day a year would just ruin their business—or people can't afford $40,000 shiny things anymore.

unbuttonedclone fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Nov 6, 2013

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

You guys are lucky you aren't in NZ, you don't get to see the 4 cylinder jap import 250's that are, apparently, worth twice (or thrice) as much as a normal bike. 1991 CBR250RR 75,000km's MINT CONDITION A TRUE COLLECTORS ITEM WILL ONLY APPRECIATE IN VALUE STARTING BID $4,500.

It sort of made sense a couple of years ago because 250 was the biggest you could ride on the two provisional licenses and they were the fastest in class, but now you can go all the way up to an SV650 so there is basically no reason for them to be costly anymore. Noone seems to have gotten the hint yet.

tjones
May 13, 2005

thylacine posted:

In related news, the bank is foreclosing on the remnants of Big Dog. I'm not into goofy expensive cruisers, but it was a cool addition to my town. It's all the goddamn sewing machine stores fault for shutting down their rally because closing down the street near their sewing machine store for one drat day a year would just ruin their business—or people can't afford $40,000 shiny things anymore.

Bonus points if the sewing machine store starts building bikes.

Mr. Eric Praline
Aug 13, 2004
I didn't like the others, they were all too flat.

tjones posted:

Bonus points if the sewing machine store starts building bikes.
At first I thought "sewing machine store" was actually referring to a Suzuki dealership or something. :p

Edit: Cause my dad refers to jap bikes as "sewing machines"

Mr. Eric Praline fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Nov 7, 2013

Duck_King
Sep 5, 2003

leader.bmp
I thought it was the Big Dog t-shirt company operating out of a giant sewing machine store. That makes way more sense.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008


Sorry, GBS 2.1 has ruined my ability to post.

There is a sewing machine store on a side-street across from the former Big Dog factory/showroow. They threw a fit because Big Dog wanted to shut down a block of a not-that-busy street to throw a yearly rally for their motorcycle customers. After the factory shut down, the owner/CEO tried to run a performance parts company for awhile, but now he's $20 million dollars in debt. He can probably handle it though, since he's an air of the Coleman Company.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

thylacine posted:



Sorry, GBS 2.1 has ruined my ability to post.

There is a sewing machine store on a side-street across from the former Big Dog factory/showroow. They threw a fit because Big Dog wanted to shut down a block of a not-that-busy street to throw a yearly rally for their motorcycle customers. After the factory shut down, the owner/CEO tried to run a performance parts company for awhile, but now he's $20 million dollars in debt. He can probably handle it though, since he's an air of the Coleman Company.

Do you mean "heir" or am I missing a joke?

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Awwwww Yissss, Craigslist bitch time.

I hate ads for bikes with no titles, because they invariably say "No title, but you can get one super easy from the DMV with a bill of sale". No. You cant. The WI DMV absolutely will not give you a title unless you bring them a title first. Full Stop. gently caress you for saying otherwise, because I've been down that road a couple of times.

I am in total agreeance on the chopper thing, and the MKE craigslist is fairly loaded with them. Sorry buddy but your $100,000 chrome shitbike wasnt worth that when you bought it, and it sure as hell isnt worth that now.

Also the dudes who think their bike is a piggy bank that they can withdraw the money they stuck into it from, tax free. I dont care if the paint job on your Hayabusa cost $10,000 (it didnt), you've still got a Hayabusa on your hands that needs a new set of bodywork because you have lovely taste in paint.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
I remember an episode of Pawn Stars where the Count came to look at a chopper-trike some guy wanted like $100k for.

His verdict was $15k if I remember right.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Today I was going around a roundabout and encountered an idiot who was going around it backwards. There was time to avoid him because I was looking deeply into the turn (hooray!) but it would have only been about 2 more seconds before we collided head-on. I straightened up and swerved off to the outside, honked, stopped on the edge of the road and made a spinning motion with my hand and pointed backwards where he was supposed to be. He smiled and waved as he continued around to the exit he wanted. :wtc:

hot sauce
Jan 13, 2005

Grimey Drawer

thylacine posted:

I remember an episode of Pawn Stars where the Count came to look at a chopper-trike some guy wanted like $100k for.

His verdict was $15k if I remember right.

You also get to see the other side of private sales in that show - the guys that run the store lowballing the poo poo out of people.

*shakes head* *smokers laugh* I'll give ya 20 bucks for it

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
It's a pawn shop. If I go to a pawn shop I expect to get 1/2 of what I think something is worth. Of course, it's just fake TV, but I don't know why those people just don't sell their poo poo on Ebay or a real auction—especially if an "expert" says it's worth a lot.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

thylacine posted:

It's a pawn shop. If I go to a pawn shop I expect to get 1/2 of what I think something is worth. Of course, it's just fake TV, but I don't know why those people just don't sell their poo poo on Ebay or a real auction—especially if an "expert" says it's worth a lot.

Laziness/Convenience/Immediate need for cash/you can buy your items back later

*edit*
Being on a dumb tv show.

Bugdrvr
Mar 7, 2003

I think a lot of the people going to pawn shops to sell their guitars and grandmas pearls can't use eBay because they pawned their laptop last week. Most are probably taking whatever they get and going directly to a casino or to their dealer.
I'm sure there are a few that aren't hard up and just unaware of the 300 billion other ways there are to sell your poo poo.

Actually, laziness is probably a big factor. To get ready to list my mother just emptied my grandmothers house which was absolutely full of antiques (she lived there since the mid fifties and had good taste).
She didn't get a dime. She actually paid someone to come in and "clean up". I would have gone but dealing with that particular subject is bound to cause a massive embolism in my brain to rupture. I'm so very glad I live on the other side of the country and only have to hear updates on the hundreds of thousands of dollars she's mismanaged. Sigh, anyway, yeah. People are dumb and will get rid of expensive poo poo for cheap for all sorts of stupid reasons.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

How the hell do people drive around in the pitch blackness of daylight savings evenings without realizing their headlamps are off? And why they hell don't they think "hey, that motorcyclist waving like crazy and flashing his headlight must be trying to get my attention", instead of just cruising blissfully off into the dark?

tjones
May 13, 2005

Sagebrush posted:

How the hell do people drive around in the pitch blackness of daylight savings evenings without realizing their headlamps are off? And why they hell don't they think "hey, that motorcyclist waving like crazy and flashing his headlight must be trying to get my attention", instead of just cruising blissfully off into the dark?

Their cell phone back light is all the illumination they need.

Skreemer
Jan 28, 2006
I like blue.

tjones posted:

Their cell phone back light is all the illumination they need.

Riding down the street, see a guy roll a Lexus off the jack. It's 10pm and he's using his cell phone back light to illuminate what he's doing. I spin a u-turn and park next to him and shined the headlight of my bike on the side of his car. Then I proceeded to change his flat tire for him as he had no idea what he was doing. By the time I was putting the jack and flat tire in the trunk, he still hadn't convinced the insurance folks to send him roadside assistance.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Sagebrush posted:

How the hell do people drive around in the pitch blackness of daylight savings evenings without realizing their headlamps are off? And why they hell don't they think "hey, that motorcyclist waving like crazy and flashing his headlight must be trying to get my attention", instead of just cruising blissfully off into the dark?

I once came alongside a man in a subaru legacy cruising down the motorway at 120 with no lights on. I matched his speed and waved until I got his attention. Then I proceeded to lean forward and point directly at my headlights (no easy feat on a VFR400!) then flashed my high beams on and off repeately. He looked at me like I was a crack-addicted murderer and jumped on his brakes in a panic.

One day I'll just start killing without warning I swear to god.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

Sagebrush posted:

How the hell do people drive around in the pitch blackness of daylight savings evenings without realizing their headlamps are off? And why they hell don't they think "hey, that motorcyclist waving like crazy and flashing his headlight must be trying to get my attention", instead of just cruising blissfully off into the dark?

DST ends in the autumn.

People drive around here in the dark at all times of the year with their lights off. I don't get it.

And then there are the jagoffs on their raised 4x4s who drive around with their brights and foglights on. Not sure which is worse.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
A few weeks ago I was heading home and noticed a car with no lights on so as I overtook him I beeped and pointed at the front of his car and carried on my way. A minute or so later stopped at a light the car comes screeching up behind me and the driver and his mate jumped out shouting "WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?" and I just went "Your lights aint on mate". Would have been worth the price of a helmet cam to have caught the way their expressions went from "YOU HAVE BESMIRCHED MY HONOUR" to "Whoops". The driver said thanks and they both jumped back in laughing.

(I should probably jazz that story up a bit with some wittier bon mots and possible a They Live-style brutal fight as I tried to get them to acknowledge their lights were at fault)

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Makes me glad lowbeams are mandatory regardless of time of day here. Even in full daylight a vehicle is more visible with its lights on.

Shimrod
Apr 15, 2007

race tires on road are a great idea, ask me!

Heh, reminds me of when I was at leaving Indropilly(sp?) in Brisbane one night and the car that came out of the shopping complex behind me didn't have his lights on so I looked behind, reached over and pointed to my headlight and pointed to him, got some odd looks, flicked my highbeam, pointed to his lights again and got some more odd looks, then stepped off the bike, walked over to him and said "mate your lights are off"

"oh, thanks!"

Toddled on off back to my bike and waited for the light to turn green. Good times.

Backov
Mar 28, 2010

Collateral Damage posted:

Makes me glad lowbeams are mandatory regardless of time of day here. Even in full daylight a vehicle is more visible with its lights on.

I just wish they had gone whole hog and made the rear lights part of the daytime running lights thing. Most people are too retarded to turn their lights on, they should have to go to extra effort to turn them OFF each time rather than the other way around.

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
It's even worse, they did go whole hog. In Sweden, previously rear lights were included in the DRL. From 2011 onwards they are not, as in the rear lights are not on when you're running with DRLs, you have to move to light switch to on. For someone who's been seeing rear lights on for all his driving/riding life, and equates lights off to a stationary vehicle, it get's annoying.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
I like the automatic lights as long as they also make the rears turn on as well. It's a useful safety feature. When they only turn the front ones on, you get a poo poo-ton of cars driving around with no taillights but they think everything is fine because they have headlights and can see the road. It is much more difficult to explain to somebody how their rear lights aren't on and how that's a danger if they're already retarded enough to think turning lights on at all is a serious chore.

KodiakRS
Jul 11, 2012

:stonk:

Sagebrush posted:

Today I was going around a roundabout and encountered an idiot who was going around it backwards.

Ah yes. The dreaded roundabout. When the town that I was living in started putting them in people kept complaining about how awful they were. You could tell from the complaints that they had no idea how a roundabout worked.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Around here the city planners seem to like roundabouts, because more and more of them are appearing, but for some mind-boggling reason they put a stop sign at each entrance. It actually ends up being slower than just using a four-way stop.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
Which is crazy because four-way stops are almost the slowest thing you can put in an intersection, not just in the execution of the intersection itself but how they interrupt the flow of traffic and can actually cause complete gridlock blocks away from the intersection itself due to timing and flow issues.

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002

Replace the stop signs with yield signs in the night. They'll never know.

Backov
Mar 28, 2010

Nidhg00670000 posted:

It's even worse, they did go whole hog. In Sweden, previously rear lights were included in the DRL. From 2011 onwards they are not, as in the rear lights are not on when you're running with DRLs, you have to move to light switch to on. For someone who's been seeing rear lights on for all his driving/riding life, and equates lights off to a stationary vehicle, it get's annoying.

So they actually went backwards to the mess we have in Canada? Amazing. Being Sweden, I guess it was determined that having the rears be part of DRL was misogynistic?

its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord
The lights on my car are all automatic. I can turn on all the lights manually if I want to, but why? The last car I had didn't have automatic lights, but I could leave them on all the time because they'd turn off automatically once the engine was off and the door opened. Not sure why nobody does that anymore.

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer

Backov posted:

So they actually went backwards to the mess we have in Canada? Amazing. Being Sweden, I guess it was determined that having the rears be part of DRL was misogynistic?

Conformity to EU regulations. It used to be that DRLs where just "recommended" in most EU countries, now they are mandatory. But only in the front, and so Sweden let car manufacturers off the hook by going backwards.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

I've noticed quite a few of the new Audis and Teslas and other cars with bright LED DRLs driving around at night with their headlights off. It was an Audi that prompted my original post, actually. Maybe with the bright white light from the LEDs (relatively -- it looks only about as bright as my bicycle headlight, but that's certainly more than the parking lamps or 30% voltage low beams used for most DRLs in the states) and a dashboard that's always illuminated, these people literally don't realize they actually have real headlamps as well?

"My headlights ARE on!! Duh, can't you see the light at the front of the car??"

Also I know that most of the bad drivers I see are naturally going to be part of whatever is the largest demographic in San Francisco, but I think I'm starting to become racist towards Asian drivers.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

So I'm trying to sell my ZRX on a local website. It's a classified ad which makes it basically like craigslist, people can email you inquiries or call/txt your mobile. I just got someone who sent me this gem of an email:

"Tidy looker, but seems to have an odd-ball swing arm."

That's it, that's the sum total of that email. No preamble, no 'can I have a look at the bike', not even a loving question. This individual decided it would be awesome to push the EMAIL SELLER button to basically just make a random passing comment the way you would to someone standing in line with you at the shops.

I don't know why this fills me with a killing rage but it does. It's just so loving infuriating. Why waste my time? What can you hope to achieve? You clearly have no intention of buying the bike. The internet isn't like window shopping for shoes you dumb oval office. Die in a loving fire.

Christ.

Clitch
Feb 26, 2002

I lived through
Donald Trump's presidency
and all I got was
this lousy virus

Sagebrush posted:

I've noticed quite a few of the new Audis and Teslas and other cars with bright LED DRLs driving around at night with their headlights off. It was an Audi that prompted my original post, actually. Maybe with the bright white light from the LEDs (relatively -- it looks only about as bright as my bicycle headlight, but that's certainly more than the parking lamps or 30% voltage low beams used for most DRLs in the states) and a dashboard that's always illuminated, these people literally don't realize they actually have real headlamps as well?

"My headlights ARE on!! Duh, can't you see the light at the front of the car??"

Also I know that most of the bad drivers I see are naturally going to be part of whatever is the largest demographic in San Francisco, but I think I'm starting to become racist towards Asian drivers.

At least you get any lights at all. Lately, I've noticed a lot of people driving with absolutely no lighting in bad weather situations. Torrential downpours, and low light levels, but still idiots in duallies with zero lights on. My 15 year old sedan has DRLs, but some rear end in a top hat in a late model bulldozer of a truck is pitch dark in inclement weather. Texas is so high on guns, I should be allowed to shoot people that stupid.

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hot sauce
Jan 13, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Clitch posted:

At least you get any lights at all. Lately, I've noticed a lot of people driving with absolutely no lighting in bad weather situations. Torrential downpours, and low light levels, but still idiots in duallies with zero lights on. My 15 year old sedan has DRLs, but some rear end in a top hat in a late model bulldozer of a truck is pitch dark in inclement weather. Texas is so high on guns, I should be allowed to shoot people that stupid.

I see at least a few people per minute without any headlights on whenever I ride at night around here. Our streets are so illuminated that you really don't need headlights at all to see. What they don't realize is that they are invisible to everyone else.

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