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FuzzySkinner posted:The Right Wing/Tea Party has such a bleak out look for the country as well. They offer no solutions in terms of job creation, and how to move the economy forward. They have no realistic view of how things work. They are the entitled generation that LP97S mentioned. They may not have a message that appeals to joe college now, so at least that means they'll be somewhat short lived. Well, except for One Little Thing.  LP97S posted:No, it's alright because this whole "entitlement" generation isn't this one, it was the last one where states and federal governments subsidized college tuition so you could do a minimum-wage summer job and pay for it instead of being in crippling debt forever. You mean the ME generation that got their education paid for under the 50s and 60s version of the STEM initiative, then supported slashing the hell out of it because they didn't want to pay for anybody else's? Yeah, I agree. ToxicSlurpee posted:Their view is that this generation feels entitled to high salaries, good food, medical care, and a big house WITHOUT the work. As in, the belief is that this generation complaining about not having jobs and adequate income is proof that they're just too lazy to go out and work. It's just their worldview. The un/under employed are so because they're lazy. It can't possibly be because of a global economic recession or the world economy almost being tanked. It can't possibly because increased automation has eliminated jobs by the million. It can't possibly be because the view of family farms with local help have been replaced by massive factory farms. It doesn't matter that things like typists have been replaced by computers. People without jobs are just lazy. They need to go out and look for jobs harder. This is the really disturbing part. 2% of the Nation's population produces something like 300% of the food we need, but the old Puritan work ethic -which made sense in 1620- "He who doesn't work, neither should he eat" is still clung to as a moral imperative. Once upon a time, you needed a dozen people pushing brooms to clean one city block, now you can clean a dozen city blocks with one person in a truck, but the situation doesn't change. Automation was supposed to make everybody's life easier, instead it's destroyed the working class and the middle class because there's Profits to be had. I want to do a parody children's book of the Wise Little Hen, only instead of the other animals not wanting to help out with the farming, when they offer to help Mrs. Hen tells them all to gently caress off because she's got a mega-tractor and an automated kitchen and doesn't need their help, then they all sit around starving to death while Mrs. Hen gets fat and calls them lazy.
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My Q-Face posted:I want to do a parody children's book of the Wise Little Hen, only instead of the other animals not wanting to help out with the farming, when they offer to help Mrs. Hen tells them all to gently caress off because she's got a mega-tractor and an automated kitchen and doesn't need their help, then they all sit around starving to death while Mrs. Hen gets fat and calls them lazy. This is actually a really good idea
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My Q-Face posted:This is the really disturbing part. 2% of the Nation's population produces something like 300% of the food we need, but the old Puritan work ethic -which made sense in 1620- "He who doesn't work, neither should he eat" is still clung to as a moral imperative. Once upon a time, you needed a dozen people pushing brooms to clean one city block, now you can clean a dozen city blocks with one person in a truck, but the situation doesn't change. Automation was supposed to make everybody's life easier, instead it's destroyed the working class and the middle class because there's Profits to be had. Technological/structural unemployment is a fascinating topic, and I wish I had read more about it when I was studying Econ as an undergrad. From an intuitive perspective, I'm concerned that we're approaching a point of strongly reduced labor scarcity without a commensurate reduction in resource scarcity. The compounding problem of increased efficiency (while efficiency is good, it can certainly have displacing effects) driving the market for labor lower, while population increase is always increasing the supply of labor, leads in a worrying direction that I think can be already perceived: - low-skill work increasingly displaced by technology - education requirements for high-skilled, in-demand work continually increasing due to more people competing for fewer (relative) jobs - socioeconomic mobility decreasing, due to lower family income share and increasing costs of sufficient education to make oneself competitive for the aforementioned high-skilled jobs I wonder whether this is Malthusian extrapolation fallacy, mind you.
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CarterUSM posted:I wonder whether this is Malthusian extrapolation fallacy, mind you. I dunno - Malthus was all about total availability of resources, the current problem of labor supply/demand mismatch is more about distribution of resources which has always been a thing. It's not that the population can't provide for itself on currently available natural resources, rather the problem is that the bulk of the population is not allowed to provide for itself due to lack of access to natural and synthetic resources. I'm counting a decently paid job as a resource here. For it to be Malthusian, I think there would have to be a hard cap on resources available (such as food limitations bounded by arable land and production technology) instead of the soft cap on resources enforced by a highly inequitable distribution system.
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My Q-Face posted:I want to do a parody children's book of the Wise Little Hen, only instead of the other animals not wanting to help out with the farming, when they offer to help Mrs. Hen tells them all to gently caress off because she's got a mega-tractor and an automated kitchen and doesn't need their help, then they all sit around starving to death while Mrs. Hen gets fat and calls them lazy. I've seen a gif that is pretty much this but can't find it for the life of me. At the end she calls them all socialists when they all point they contributed to society/the farm.
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WampaLord posted:The Rumble was pretty good, if ultimately pointless. Plenty of good laughs at least. Sorry if "The Rumble" is old news but I'd never seen it. There were a few responses and quotes that really clearly illustrate the fundamental differences between conservative and liberal ideology and thought though. I wasn't able to time stamp them but, from memory, the "who would you save if the world were on fire?", the closing statements ("What advice would you give to to the younger generation?"), some of their answers on how to deal with healthcare and entitlement spending, the differences between totalitarianism and persecution (the War On Christmas segment), the "who was the greatest journalist and 'political hero'" questions and what amounts to "wasteful spending" I found very telling and interesting to watch. I'm beginning to think that at least Bill O'Reilly possesses a sense of humor, albeit a mean spirited and angry one, and is occasionally capable of laughter, unlike Rush, Levin, Hannity, Savage, etc. and this helps to somehow humanize him for me in a certain fashion. It's not ALL anger. Bill seems like he could manage to sit still during a roast for the most part so long as he was being paid to be made fun of. I think this debate is a perfect illustration of priorities, world views, the varying degrees of individualism versus collectivism, what it means in your own life to balance your own interests against the collective good and is a really good look at the nature of punditry, responsibility and the nature of media. The thing they both missed was that the solution to Social Security insolvency is to simply do away with the tax cap. Why no one speaks to this is beyond me. Also, O'Reilly's answer about the biggest thing loving up news and information was better than John's (it's advertising). poo poo. That was long. Sorry guys. aBagorn posted:This is actually a really good idea Seconding this. "Rush Revere" my rear end. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Nov 6, 2013 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I've seen a gif that is pretty much this but can't find it for the life of me. At the end she calls them all socialists when they all point they contributed to society/the farm. The horse mentions how he pulled a plow to till the soil which allowed for the hen to plant the seeds? The dog mentions how he kept her safe so she could do it? I remember this gif too, or am I thinking of something else?
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Which is absurd. There aren't jobs enough for everybody. There are only so many jobs to go around. There are more people that want a job than there are jobs, which leaves millions unemployed by default. Those millions can't just bootstraps a job into existence. Ah, but they can, at least according to people like Dave Ramsey. If you can't find a job, invent one! If you fail, it's your fault for not being creative enough.  Because as everyone knows, starting a business requires no money beforehand for supplies and resources. Even if you do end up needing any, you can easily just beg for some from your friends and family, who are sure to always have spare income to lend you. ProperGanderPusher fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Nov 7, 2013 |
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Ah, but they can, at least according to people like Dave Ramsey. If you can't find a job, invent one! If you fail, it's your fault for not being creative enough. What's so loving infuriating to me about the whole thing is that it is the literal truth that the economic model of our goddamned economy requires a non-zero structural unemployment. That's why even during the boom times of the 90s, the unemployment rate never fell below 4.0%. It is not possible for the United States to have a job for every person who wants one, and even if there is, due to the fact that the market for goods and services continually evolves, there's never a perfect match between desired skills and available skills. Screaming about "just find a job," isn't just heartless FuckYouGotMine bullshit, it's literally ignoring realitoh that's right I forgot who we're dealing with here.
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http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/videos BILL COSBY, GOTTA LOVE HIM! A-HYUCK! HARD WORK! ALL THESE drat YOUNG PEOPLE TAKING OFF THEIR PANTS! "AT AN OREGON COLLEGE! HARVARD!" CLEARLY THESE REPRESENT EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE IN AMERICA. THAT'S ALL EVERYONE DOES IS HAVE SEX! .... What loving planet are these people from? Like..do they not function in the real world? Also what in the hell happened to Greg Gutfield? Dude used to be quite socially liberal, and lately he's morphed into some kind of idiot.
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/videos I like Bill Cosby. He's "one of the good ones". poo poo, I knew I'd regret clicking that link.
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Some people think that global warming is being caused by atmospheric pollution, other people, like almost-Texas-Senate-candidate David Barton, think that it is being caused by sluts. Both sides raise valid arguments, so let's have the debate! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGR6ezl0-Dw
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With respect (non-respect) to Kurt's awful article, I have to admit that I touched the poop. I touched it too much. Now I am poop-stained.
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Joementum posted:Some people think that global warming is being caused by atmospheric pollution, other people, like almost-Texas-Senate-candidate David Barton, think that it is being caused by sluts. Both sides raise valid arguments, so let's have the debate! At least they're back to arguing that it's happening instead of assuming each day that a record isn't set represents the start of a cooling trend.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:At least they're back to arguing that it's happening instead of assuming each day that a record isn't set represents the start of a cooling trend. If you watch the video you'll see that he believes the sluts are responsible for both warming and cooling trends.
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Joementum posted:Some people think that global warming is being caused by atmospheric pollution, other people, like almost-Texas-Senate-candidate David Barton, think that it is being caused by sluts. Both sides raise valid arguments, so let's have the debate! Is he a Spitting Image puppet come to life?
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Joementum posted:If you watch the video you'll see that he believes the sluts are responsible for both warming and cooling trends. The takeaway then, I guess, is that slooting it up is both cool and hot. Awesome. Get busy, everyone!
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CarterUSM posted:What's so loving infuriating to me about the whole thing is that it is the literal truth that the economic model of our goddamned economy requires a non-zero structural unemployment. That's why even during the boom times of the 90s, the unemployment rate never fell below 4.0%. It is not possible for the United States to have a job for every person who wants one, and even if there is, due to the fact that the market for goods and services continually evolves, there's never a perfect match between desired skills and available skills. Full employment actually isn't the most desirable thing. In a way, you kind of need some unemployed people just in case you suddenly need to cram a million people into a new job for some reason. That 4% isn't always the same people as well. A major, major difference between now and then is a dramatic increase in the discouraged workers and chronically unemployed. Then people who lost a job for some reason or another just rode unemployment for a bit and, within a week or two of job hunting, were back to work. Even somebody who hadn't worked for a few years for whatever reason could get back into the workforce with ease. Overtime was abundant and finding part time work extra in case you needed some extra cash wasn't difficult. Thing is, more hours total were worked then then compared to now. The number of jobs in existence has declined. People are so desperate now that they're literally paying for internships hoping that it might get them a job. It's insane. The period that people remain unemployed has skyrocketed from a few weeks or a month to over a year. I can say from personal experience too that you can apply for 90 jobs and not even get a phone call. I find it baffling how people can look at that and go "yup, millions of people suddenly just got really loving lazy."
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So are these guys die hard pacifists? Or is war somehow different from a leader saying 'I support killing'?
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McDowell posted:So are these guys die hard pacifists? Or is war somehow different from a leader saying 'I support killing'? No you see the American Military are Gods holy warriors. They only kill evil people, unbelievers and Arabs.
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You foget the caveat to the sixth Commandment: 'Thou shall not kill (unless they're bad people, gently caress those assholes)'. Also anyone killed by Americans in war time are obviously terrorists and clearly someone who flew a plane into the WTC deserves to be killed. Babies however are innocents, which is why it's ok in God's eyes to bomb abortion clinics. This post brought to you by cognitive dissonance and the letters FU
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My Q-Face posted:I want to do a parody children's book of the Wise Little Hen, only instead of the other animals not wanting to help out with the farming, when they offer to help Mrs. Hen tells them all to gently caress off because she's got a mega-tractor and an automated kitchen and doesn't need their help, then they all sit around starving to death while Mrs. Hen gets fat and calls them lazy. 
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Full employment actually isn't the most desirable thing. In a way, you kind of need some unemployed people just in case you suddenly need to cram a million people into a new job for some reason. That 4% isn't always the same people as well. A major, major difference between now and then is a dramatic increase in the discouraged workers and chronically unemployed. Then people who lost a job for some reason or another just rode unemployment for a bit and, within a week or two of job hunting, were back to work. Even somebody who hadn't worked for a few years for whatever reason could get back into the workforce with ease. Overtime was abundant and finding part time work extra in case you needed some extra cash wasn't difficult. Econ major here, so yeah, I know what you mean about full employment. What's more, maintaining a non-zero unemployment rate is important for keeping inflation in check, as it's harder to get into a wage-price spiral when there are people who NEED jobs. And speaking from personal experience, I spent a decade in restaurants, and then went back to school at a top-20 national university, studied Econ and Math, graduated with honors, and my only jobs for a year and a half after graduation were going back to being a part-time waiter and a 100% commission sales job at an internet startup (shocker: I made very little money). I lost that job when the startup folded, and spent nine months unemployed. Nine months unemployed, with unimpeachable academic credentials, years and years of experience demonstrating nothing but increasing levels of responsibility and personnel/operations management. But I guess I was lazy. Who knew?
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/videos "The problem is most people don't want to work. It's easier nowadays for young people to sit on the couch and take off their pants. It's being pushed on college campuses, and the taxpayers are subsidizing it." - an actual thing said on Fox News. In my college classes no one ever talks to each other, and they usually just look like they want to get out of there. I guess I'm not going to the right places to see the college sex parties. I feel like I'm missing out on the liberal plan to destroy America by paying all the young people to have sex all the time. Or maybe I'm just ugly. And hard work has always been our culture? Hard work, as in letting our slaves or servants do our work for us?
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My Q-Face posted:the old Puritan work ethic -which made sense in 1620- "He who doesn't work, neither should he eat" You know who else was a big fan of this aphorism? Lenin, that's who.
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Orange Devil posted:You know who else was a big fan of this aphorism? Lenin, that's who. The Soviet Union at the time wasn't known for its automation, hence the hammer and sickle, and My Mother The Tractor.
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Kenzie posted:"The problem is most people don't want to work. It's easier nowadays for young people to sit on the couch and take off their pants. It's being pushed on college campuses, and the taxpayers are subsidizing it." - an actual thing said on Fox News. These are people that...no joke..said the "MILEY CYRUS TWERKING" incident was the "Darkest Moment" in our nation's history (without a sense of irony). They must have the attention span of a gnat.
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Joementum posted:Some people think that global warming is being caused by atmospheric pollution, other people, like almost-Texas-Senate-candidate David Barton, think that it is being caused by sluts. Both sides raise valid arguments, so let's have the debate! "A murderous bloody crop of child deaths!" 
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Joementum posted:Some people think that global warming is being caused by atmospheric pollution, other people, like almost-Texas-Senate-candidate David Barton, think that it is being caused by sluts. Both sides raise valid arguments, so let's have the debate! Well, the population in the last hundred years has gone from 1 Billion to 7 Billion, I suppose sluts played a role in that!
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Robert Costa Who Is Actually Doing Good Reporting has just left National Review and been hired as a political reporter by the Washington Post. So you can safely go back to ignoring National Review and not miss any actual news.
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Joementum posted:Robert Costa Who Is Actually Doing Good Reporting has just left National Review and been hired as a political reporter by the Washington Post. Since he's no longer working for the National Review, will he lose his wealth of contacts inside the House GOP?
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Joementum posted:Robert Costa Who Is Actually Doing Good Reporting has just left National Review and been hired as a political reporter by the Washington Post. It will be interesting to see if The Washington Post picks up its game under Jeff Bezos' ownership. I've noticed that they are now suddenly enforcing their paywall. Not sure if it's related but Jennifer Rubin ("Right Turn" right wing shill) has been pounding steadily on the "Tea Party Must Go/GOP must turn towards sanity and moderation" drumbeat, really consistently, over the last month or so since the shutdown.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A major, major difference between now and then is a dramatic increase in the discouraged workers and chronically unemployed. Then people who lost a job for some reason or another just rode unemployment for a bit and, within a week or two of job hunting, were back to work. I think so much of it can be attributed to automation and the digital age as well. Consider self checkout lines, streaming video, online news, buying off of Amazon, e-books, digital downloads of games, music and films and all sorts of things like that. Think of what's even happening to cable TV and terrestrial radio. Someone used to have to manufacture the DVD, print and bind the books, magazines and newspapers, man the cash registers, print instruction booklets, tend to the lines at the banks, deliver the newspapers and help customers in stores. Shoot, people used to have answer phones to make sales and help customers. Call anywhere now and see if a person answers. I remember 20 years ago I worked for a billboard company and they used to hand paint those mother fuckers. Next thing I knew, everything was pre-printed on vinyl and wrapped around the board. I'm a graphic designer/Illustrator and places like Shutterfly and VistaPrint allow anyone to do my job by not even having to know what they're doing but by also being provided with templates and clip art that makes it seem easy. Those jobs aren't coming back ever. I guess you could argue that there would be more electrician, IT and textile jobs and things like that to offset this, but I don't see it. Even mechanics and repair men are in a bit of trouble because even though poo poo is not built to last and designed to break down, it's becoming more and more common where it's easier to simply buy a new item than pay to fix it (TV's, dishwashers, refrigerators, computers, etc.) It's hard to imagine where the new jobs will come from. Alternative energy I hope.
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Don't worry. We're replacing all those jobs with fast food gigs and embarrassingly low paying house keeping jobs.
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Speaking of alternative energy, who wants to form an energy technology start up that harnesses wind power from all of these authoritarian blowhards as well as a reactor that uses the heat radiated from the white hot rage of their high-information listener base?
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Always had this crazy idea that the government should go all in and form a "NASA" like organization to find alternative/lower cost fuel sources. Imagine a world where it costs 12 bucks to fill your car up? Of course there's no way in hell that the Oil Companies would go for that.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Always had this crazy idea that the government should go all in and form a "NASA" like organization to find alternative/lower cost fuel sources. What exactly happened with that, anyways? I first started driving in ~2004 and I remember gas around $2/gallon. All that I really remember is once Katrina hit everyone lost their marbles and the price of gasoline skyrocketed. Why is it that the price of gas in some places has almost doubled in ~8 years?
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Business Gorillas posted:What exactly happened with that, anyways? I first started driving in ~2004 and I remember gas around $2/gallon. All that I really remember is once Katrina hit everyone lost their marbles and the price of gasoline skyrocketed. Why is it that the price of gas in some places has almost doubled in ~8 years? Speculation and the trading markets.
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Business Gorillas posted:What exactly happened with that, anyways? I first started driving in ~2004 and I remember gas around $2/gallon. All that I really remember is once Katrina hit everyone lost their marbles and the price of gasoline skyrocketed. Why is it that the price of gas in some places has almost doubled in ~8 years? A bunch of cars in Asia got made and we sucked up all of the easy to find oil. Fracking for example only exists as a viable alternative because the cost of oil is so high.
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