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MOTHER loving RED SQUAD
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Nov 10, 2013 01:01
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Hard Clumping posted:MOTHER Child soldiers. Starfleet is Kony 2012.
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Nov 10, 2013 01:09
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Hard Clumping posted:MOTHER More like Dead Squad 
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Nov 10, 2013 01:11
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Emperor's New Cloak: Apparently going to the Mirror Universe is about as difficult as buying a train ticket. Why are we back here anyway? Is the Intendent still duplicitous, sexy, and insane? Yup. Who cares?
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Nov 10, 2013 01:19
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showbiz_liz posted:Emperor's New Cloak: Apparently going to the Mirror Universe is about as difficult as buying a train ticket. Why are we back here anyway? Is the Intendent still duplicitous, sexy, and insane? Yup. Who cares? Shut up, that episode rules. If you can't appreciate it for the interplay between the Ferengi contingent of the DS9 crew and Mirror Garak, I don't know what to say to you.
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Nov 10, 2013 01:22
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showbiz_liz posted:Emperor's New Cloak: Apparently going to the Mirror Universe is about as difficult as buying a train ticket. Why are we back here anyway? Is the Intendent still duplicitous, sexy, and insane? Yup. Who cares? I love 80s nightmare Kira and her silly headwear, you're bad and dumb.
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Nov 10, 2013 01:27
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Vagabundo posted:More like Dead Squad BETTER DEAD THAN NOVA SQUADRON
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Nov 10, 2013 01:29
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Nova Squadron: A legit bunch of punkasses. Nobody gives a poo poo about the Kolvoord Starburst, you shitbags.
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Nov 10, 2013 01:30
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Vagabundo posted:Shut up, that episode rules. If you can't appreciate it for the interplay between the Ferengi contingent of the DS9 crew and Mirror Garak, I don't know what to say to you. Exactly. 'Our Garak would have had us strung up by our lobes by now!' and the disturbing inference that Garak has been violated by the Regent. Ick. Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Nov 10, 2013 |
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Nov 10, 2013 01:30
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Gonz posted:Nova Squadron: A legit bunch of punkasses. Wesley was a narc, and sniches get stitches.
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Nov 10, 2013 01:32
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Gonz posted:Nova Squadron: A legit bunch of punkasses. I can't really decide what this new red squad supporter character I'm doing thinks about nova squadron's problematic whistleblowing conundrum because in my head he just keeps yelling red sqUAD RED SQUAD RED SQUAD RED SQUAD WHAT'S A WHISTLE
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Nov 10, 2013 01:32
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Nessus posted:I begin to think that the real thing people find impossible to get about Star Trek isn't the bij-inducing writing, warp drive, replicators or anything, it's the idea of having a society where for the most part you don't have to eat poo poo just to get by. This aspect of Star Trek has helped me to discover that a not-insignificant chunk of the population is convinced that someone else must suffer in order for their lives to have meaning or merit. I like to think these are the ones who all die during WW3.
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Nov 10, 2013 01:50
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Tighclops posted:This aspect of Star Trek has helped me to discover that a not-insignificant chunk of the population is convinced that someone else must suffer in order for their lives to have meaning or merit. I like to think these are the ones who all die during WW3. Geez, don't you know anything?? The universe obeys the law of Conservation of Happiness!
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Nov 10, 2013 01:55
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Tighclops posted:This aspect of Star Trek has helped me to discover that a not-insignificant chunk of the population is convinced that someone else must suffer in order for their lives to have meaning or merit. I like to think these are the ones who all die during WW3. If this wasn't a core belief of Star Trek there wouldn't need to have been a third world war for the human race to come around to their awesome post scarcity society. Humans are capable of advancement without killing eathother, except in Star Trek where we would totally need to kill as many people as possible to fill our guilt quotient long enough to peacefully build a Star Armada that has totes non-aggressive and inclusive intentions and has over 100 member species*! *But still 99% male human star ship captains, because we cant trust those other fuckers to run anything.
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Nov 10, 2013 02:32
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Spaceman Future! posted:*But still 99% male human star ship captains, because we cant trust those other fuckers to run anything. Except drill extensively to compete at archaic human sports so they can be smug dicks when they win.
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Nov 10, 2013 02:34
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Spaceman Future! posted:If this wasn't a core belief of Star Trek there wouldn't need to have been a third world war for the human race to come around to their awesome post scarcity society. Humans are capable of advancement without killing eathother, except in Star Trek where we would totally need to kill as many people as possible to fill our guilt quotient long enough to peacefully build a Star Armada that has totes non-aggressive and inclusive intentions and has over 100 member species*! That's not at all a limitation of 1960s and 1980s society or budget or time, nope not at all, let's take everything at face value!!!
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Nov 10, 2013 03:08
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Farecoal posted:That's not at all a limitation of 1960s and 1980s society or budget or time, nope not at all, let's take everything at face value!!! Human rights. Why the very name is racist. The Federation is no more than a homo sapiens only club.
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Nov 10, 2013 03:10
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Farecoal posted:That's not at all a limitation of 1960s and 1980s society or budget or time, nope not at all, let's take everything at face value!!! Farecoal is right! How come every loving time travel episode it's to earth!!!!
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Nov 10, 2013 03:17
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pentyne posted:You've got to really feel bad for the actor. He got a main Star Trek role probably thinking it might launch him into the same plane of celebrity as the TNG cast and was told he's going to be a super spiritual Native American noble savage and nothing else. I'd feel bad if he could act and was being wasted in the role.
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Nov 10, 2013 03:24
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Farecoal posted:That's not at all a limitation of 1960s and 1980s society or budget or time, nope not at all, let's take everything at face value!!! As opposed to? Am I supposed to judge the show based on how it theoretically could be run on an unlimited budget and in some vague future without societal limitations? I'm trying to wrap my mind around that one, should I be creating alternate plotlines for all shows based on that criteria as well? Lets start with Golden Girls and Wings.
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Nov 10, 2013 03:31
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Spaceman Future! posted:As opposed to? Am I supposed to judge the show based on how it theoretically could be run on an unlimited budget and in some vague future without societal limitations? I'm trying to wrap my mind around that one, should I be creating alternate plotlines for all shows based on that criteria as well? Lets start with Golden Girls and Wings. As someone hinted, there's a reason every time travel episode takes place on Earth. We identify more with humans, so we're watching the stories that involve human captains. There's a good reason not to spend massive amounts of money, time and makeup to make ship captains into aliens when it's only going to risk (no pun intended) alienating your audience. You can pretend there are hundreds of Vulcan, blue antennaed and pig person alien captains, they're just not the ones featured in the story for perfectly good and reasonable narrative reasons.
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Nov 10, 2013 04:08
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Well, there's no Tellarites in command of any Starfleet ships because the Captain is also a diplomat-ambassador type. And do you really want their kind representing your Stepford fleet?
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Nov 10, 2013 04:26
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Starfleet: Where We Don't Accept "The Wrong Type" Of Captains
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Nov 10, 2013 04:51
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Maybe other alien species are smart enough to not want to file into metal deathtraps (remember most of the fleet is Mirandas and Oberths) and flung into the void to be killed by hostile cultures, teleported halfway across known space so it takes decades to get home or trapped in never ending loops until the next ship happens along and gets stuck too. Spaceman Future! posted:If this wasn't a core belief of Star Trek there wouldn't need to have been a third world war for the human race to come around to their awesome post scarcity society. Humans are capable of advancement without killing eathother, except in Star Trek where we would totally need to kill as many people as possible to fill our guilt quotient long enough to peacefully build a Star Armada that has totes non-aggressive and inclusive intentions and has over 100 member species*! Humans are capable of advancement without killing each other provided there are no dicks around. Dicks gently caress up everything, so by the time you get to the 24th century most dicks are from other planets or the occasional terrorist/rogue admiral.
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Nov 10, 2013 05:02
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Spaceman Future! posted:If this wasn't a core belief of Star Trek there wouldn't need to have been a third world war for the human race to come around to their awesome post scarcity society. Humans are capable of advancement without killing eathother, except in Star Trek where we would totally need to kill as many people as possible to fill our guilt quotient long enough to peacefully build a Star Armada that has totes non-aggressive and inclusive intentions and has over 100 member species*! Technological advance alone could just as well make a society where most people are tailor-fit by genes or cyber-investment in order to fit whatever the latest employment fashion is, with huge swaths of actual people rendered obsolete unless they somehow manage to bootstrap into the next 'required' set of skills, talents, gene tweaks etc. while a tiny segment collect all the profits and live like robber kings. This would from a certain perspective be "peaceful," and it would take place without explicitly, violently killing each other, too. This does not mean technological advance is evil, because in a sense I'm just describing the society of the year 2013; however, I think all this post human business is not an INHERENT GOOD, either, but rather a neutral set of technologies. It is totally legitimate to think Trek craps on 'em out of prejudice, and pretty much correct, but that does not mean these technologies would, necessarily, be deployed in a generally positive way. Nessus fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Nov 10, 2013 |
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Nov 10, 2013 05:06
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:In the modern era, it's as simple as pointing out that any form of surgery carries inherent risks (and will be getting riskier as we idiotically breed more and more drug-resistant bacteria), and getting brain surgery to plug in some piece of poo poo made by a series of low-bid rear end in a top hat corporations doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I would never, ever want to be an early adopter for brainplugs. I imagine in the 26th century it's far beyond the 'early adopter' stage. It's just such a basic bit of Sci-Fi tech that Odo treats like a horrible thing. For a galaxy spanning civilization, the Federation can come across like Luddites. Again, I usually love Sci-Fi, and I'm trying to figure out why post-TOS Trek leaves me cold. They never seem to run with ideas or alien cultures. People laugh at TOS' societies ruled by computers and Roman gods, but at least they play with the idea technological change has. Picard is literally the guy who tells you that classical music is inherently superior to The Beatles, and the society seems to endorse that sort of view. The jail sentence for genetic engineering also conflicts with the idea that the Federation is a progressive utopia. I remember some Trek novel where Kirk collected paper books and that was seen as odd, which I thought was some cute world-building at the time. On an unrelated note: http://rickwebb.tumblr.com/post/39063067044/the-economics-of-star-trek-the-proto-post-scarcity
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Nov 10, 2013 05:40
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Picard should totally be into classical music, that's fine. But he's from the future, so his idea of classic music should be Cannibal Corpse. Just chilling in his quarters, leafing through paperwork while in his silky shorts and lounge-blouse, while Corpsegrinder is screaming in the background about Blunt Force Castration. He plays his Inner Light flute along with the guitar solos and Riker stops by to play rhythm trombone to Gallery of Suicide.
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Nov 10, 2013 05:47
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Picard should totally be into classical music, that's fine. But he's from the future, so his idea of classic music should be Cannibal Corpse. Just chilling in his quarters, leafing through paperwork while in his silky shorts and lounge-blouse, while Corpsegrinder is screaming in the background about Blunt Force Castration. He plays his Inner Light flute along with the guitar solos and Riker stops by to play rhythm trombone to Gallery of Suicide. Jethro Tull.
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Nov 10, 2013 06:09
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Neat bit of news: Martok's expanding his political reach to upstate New York.
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Nov 10, 2013 06:19
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Picard should totally be into classical music, that's fine. But he's from the future, so his idea of classic music should be Cannibal Corpse. Just chilling in his quarters, leafing through paperwork while in his silky shorts and lounge-blouse, while Corpsegrinder is screaming in the background about Blunt Force Castration. He plays his Inner Light flute along with the guitar solos and Riker stops by to play rhythm trombone to Gallery of Suicide. (Seriously though, NIN is gonna be the classical music of the future and no one can tell me otherwise.) Hard Clumping posted:Farecoal is right! How come every loving time travel episode it's to earth!!!! I was having a stupid thought about this recently. I was looking at some old DS9 stuff, and I noticed that whenever our heroes are on the Defiant and get sucked back into the past or whatever and they have to infiltrate Earth, they don't get the sort of plastic surgery disguises they got on TNG. Makes sense, of course, since the Defiant's medbay wouldn't doesn't have a cosmetic surgery suite, so we get things like Kira's nose bandage and Worf's hood. Anyway, this got me wondering what would happen if some ship got shot into the past, and they had to send down someone like a Cardassian or a Rigellian or someone with a really wrinkly forehead. And then I started imagining this scenario where a ship is parked over 21st century Earth, and they need to send down an away team to get the doodad, but one of qualified people they need on the team is a Benzite. They try to get her in a hijab and niqab, but no, it's been a long day and she's tired of all this time fuckery, so she just beams down in jeans and a hoodie, and whenever anyone tries to hassle her about the face, she just busts out a "oh, I'm sorry, does my birth defect offend you in some way?" or "hey, guys, guess who doesn't like my reconstructive surgery!" until all the past people just get really uncomfortable and leave. And now that I've written that, I want Surly Benzite Chick to be in a new series.
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Nov 10, 2013 06:22
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Honestly, the only music of the past 50 years that you can absolutely confident will be memorable enough to stick around that long is probably the Beatles.
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Nov 10, 2013 06:26
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It's pretty hard to even tell that the Bajorans are aliens. Who notices noses? Again, it plays into the conservatism that the aliens look so human. And don't blame budgets, since Dr Who made weirder aliens on no money. On a positive note, the acting in DS9 is amazing. Why aren't Alexander Siddig and Avery Brooks huge stars or at least prestige actors? Count Chocula fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Nov 10, 2013 |
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Nov 10, 2013 06:27
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Marshal Radisic posted:In the future, music historians will remember our era as the "Age of Yanni." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf-1F_iIIuw&t=10s
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Nov 10, 2013 06:27
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Count Chocula posted:It's pretty hard to even tell that the Bajorans are aliens. Who notices noses? Again, it plays into the conservatism that the aliens look so human. And don't blame budgets, since Dr Who made weirder aliens on no money. As for the latter, Brooks mostly works in theater I think? He is or was a professor at Rutgers, anyway.
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Nov 10, 2013 06:33
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MikeJF posted:Honestly, the only music of the past 50 years that you can absolutely confident will be memorable enough to stick around that long is probably the Beatles. You really misspelt Celine. How'd you gently caress that up so badly? 
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Nov 10, 2013 06:33
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MikeJF posted:Honestly, the only music of the past 50 years that you can absolutely confident will be memorable enough to stick around that long is probably the Beatles. It will be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeRghYqi090
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Nov 10, 2013 06:34
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No, no, the Nokia Tune is from 1902.
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Nov 10, 2013 06:45
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MikeJF posted:Honestly, the only music of the past 50 years that you can absolutely confident will be memorable enough to stick around that long is probably the Beatles. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the music we hear today were actually still around. There's a reason that orchestras are struggling, and it's because their elitist, Eurocentric mindset has needed to adapt for decades. Classical music is amazing, don't get me wrong, and if the people who played it could get past the playing-by-rote (and only in the requisite concert hall spaces) mindset, I think it could get a little more of a foothold, but plenty of independent music and pop music has complexity and staying power. It's just complex by timbre and by time signature (which, coincidentally, weights the performer/composer importance differently than classical and makes recording more important). Greg Sandow, who teaches at Julliard, has a lot to say about this kind of thing, but the take home is that the classical music community, as it currently exists, has a problem with lamenting that nobody listens or engages with them anymore while simultaneously refusing to engage with any other musical communities, plus they're more concerned about playing something "perfectly" than putting any kind of feeling into it. They're Data, basically. I think Star Trek just has classical and jazz because putting music we recognize in the ~Space Future~ might easily make us laugh too much.
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Nov 10, 2013 06:50
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Siddig has played Evil Arab Guy in every movie ever and Brooks is primarily a theater actor.
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Nov 10, 2013 06:53
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I thought part of the jazz thing was that Frakes actually can legitimately play the trombone?
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Nov 10, 2013 06:53
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