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FuzzySkinner posted:There was literally a right wing talk show host filling in for another right wing talk show host in Cleveland that brought up this really lame argument. The war on drugs of course.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Also, to boot, the guy was in Gen X. What loving wars did that generation fight? The Gulf War and any other minor military actions is all I can think of.
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The weird refrain you hear from time to time that we should reinstate the draft never makes any sense to me. It seems to come from the left most often, but maybe I've been misled. We have sufficient volunteers that a draft is nowhere near necessary, I don't get it.
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As millennial I love that my generation simultaneously entered the workforce during one of the country'a worse economic states and many of us fought in the two longest wars in US history, but we're also uniformly lazy and pampered. This is the same douche that would decry the Occupy movement--which was people making a stand--as naive and lazy. But yeah, gently caress people who fetishize the greatest generation. They uniformly ignore stuff like American soldiers taking skulls of Japanese as trophies. War is hell even if one side is unarguably better. Anyone who doesn't understand that is a child at best. Flesh Forge posted:The weird refrain you hear from time to time that we should reinstate the draft never makes any sense to me. It seems to come from the left most often, but maybe I've been misled. We have sufficient volunteers that a draft is nowhere near necessary, I don't get it. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Nov 11, 2013 |
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Grandfathers everywhere: I didn't go to war to fight for your freedom so that you could not have to go to war to fight for your freedom 
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FuzzySkinner posted:Also, to boot, the guy was in Gen X. What loving wars did that generation fight? The Gulf War, I guess?  I wouldn't take it seriously. The people who are most adamantly for the draft tend to have never served a day in their life and are well outside of the qualifications for participating in it. Here's a reminder that people rally behind draft dodgers George W. Bush and Ted Nugent (lol) while they bash actual veterans like John Kerry and Tammy Duckworth. To be honest, you should hope that that becomes a republican talking point. Millenials are already hating them now and are (iirc) rabidly isolationist, but throw in the 2016 frontrunner talking about the draft and he's just doomed his entire party for that election cycle. I can't think of a better way to get college kids out to the polls.
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So the only way every generation will truly understand freedom is if we're perpetually at war.
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Lycus posted:So the only way every generation will truly understand freedom is if we're perpetually at war. The
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Timeless Appeal posted:But yeah, gently caress people who fetishize the greatest generation. They uniformly ignore stuff like American soldiers taking skulls of Japanese as trophies. War is hell even if one side is unarguably better. I'm not sure if it was this thread or the Nazi History thread in A/T, but someone posted a quote from a british officer (I think it was Churchill, actually) saying that they were ecstatic about winning the war, mostly because if they lost it would've been them hanging at Nuremburg instead of the Germans.
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Dick Cheney dodged the draft by appealing for hardship and him getting in trouble at one school and during his time at University of Wyoming and when his first child was born. And he served as secretary of defense.
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Star Man posted:Dick Cheney dodged the draft by appealing for hardship and him getting in trouble at one school and during his time at University of Wyoming and when his first child was born. Didn't Rumsfeld also dodge the draft? Also, Mittens went on missionary work as soon as he was eligible to get drafted iirc.
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Just a reminder: This guy got 47% of the vote.
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Business Gorillas posted:I'm not sure if it was this thread or the Nazi History thread in A/T, but someone posted a quote from a british officer (I think it was Churchill, actually) saying that they were ecstatic about winning the war, mostly because if they lost it would've been them hanging at Nuremburg instead of the Germans. "I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.... Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier." -General Curtis LeMay
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The greater sin of the right is their willingness to use military service against or completely flip it on you if it serves their needs i.e. John McCain is crazy and John Kerry is either a liar or a coward.
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FuzzySkinner posted:There was literally a right wing talk show host filling in for another right wing talk show host in Cleveland that brought up this really lame argument. Wait, did he completely forget about Iraq and Afghanistan? We've been "at war" since 2001, so millennials have been serving in combat pretty much nonstop since they hit military age. Did this guy forget about "ARE TROOPS" on Veterans Day?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Wait, did he completely forget about Iraq and Afghanistan? We've been "at war" since 2001, so millennials have been serving in combat pretty much nonstop since they hit military age. They don't consider it war because fewer than 10,000 real people died. All the other people who died were all terrorists or something.
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Flesh Forge posted:The weird refrain you hear from time to time that we should reinstate the draft never makes any sense to me. It seems to come from the left most often, but maybe I've been misled. We have sufficient volunteers that a draft is nowhere near necessary, I don't get it. They're too stupid to understand why we abolished it in the first place and they want to kill people one rung higher than them.
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I think some of the "reinstate the draft" stuff reflects the utter absence of any meaningful shared sacrifice in this country's recent wars. It's easier to marginalize and forget the needs of veterans, and the costs of war, when the service is purely voluntary and so some social strata will have very little interaction with people who have been in wars. It's a similar argument to one of the ones that I've heard about drones- that they make war too easy and tempting. The solution of reinstating the draft would be even worse than the problem, though.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:People who give other people nicknames are almost always gigantic assholes. It's a classic power play -- I'm not going to call you by your actual name like a human being I respect, I'm going to call you "Turd Blossom," and you're gonna like it 'cause I'm your boss and it's funny, hahah, get the joke? This. If I walk into a job and the Boss calls me Fredo, that's the day I walk out of the job.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Also, to boot, the guy was in Gen X. What loving wars did that generation fight? The cola wars were hard on all of us
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Rush is bringing women to tearsquote:RUSH: I want to start in Floyd, Iowa, on the phones today. This is Jennifer. Thank you so much for calling. Great to have you. Hi.
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StandardVC10 posted:I think some of the "reinstate the draft" stuff reflects the utter absence of any meaningful shared sacrifice in this country's recent wars. It's easier to marginalize and forget the needs of veterans, and the costs of war, when the service is purely voluntary and so some social strata will have very little interaction with people who have been in wars. It's a similar argument to one of the ones that I've heard about drones- that they make war too easy and tempting. The solution of reinstating the draft would be even worse than the problem, though. I'll just say that I'm fine with the draft being reinstated as long as the tax rates from the last time we had the draft are reinstated as well.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Rush is bringing women to tears No doubt that five year old is smart enough to recognize the bullshit being read to her.
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"I'm just so touched you're bringing God so much into this history" indeed. Like the Puritanical flight from England needed MORE God brought into it. What a jo- Oh, you mean he's bringing YOUR idea of God into a historical context to make it fit your worldview even more than it already does and ah gently caress it. Just...gently caress it.
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Flesh Forge posted:We have sufficient volunteers that a draft is nowhere near necessary, I don't get it. It was my understanding that the military was significantly overstretched during the wars of the '00s.
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If that lady was any more of a plant a poorly supervised teenager would try to smoke her.
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If God really wanted to save lives he would have sunk every ship full of white Europeans before they ever made landfall in the New World. But I guess we'll just have to wait for the LF version of American History for kids to get that.
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I was amazed to find out that Rush is now more than just books and radio He now makes Tea (Get it?)  quote:Rush and Kathryn started Two If By Tea® to understand first-hand the myriad challenges faced by American small business owners. They wanted to manufacture a product from scratch, within the United States, while creating jobs. Their mission from day one was to cut no corners and produce the best possible product on the market, demonstrating their belief in American Exceptionalism! Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Finding Rush Limbaugh brand products of any type in a home is a pretty good way to screen potential friends and acquaintances.
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Oh please, Rush. Please tell me how soft drink ingredients can be politically correct. I simply must know.
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El Rushbo doesn't shy away from using those ingredients the nanny state regime wants to suppress like asbestos, leaded gasoline and unfiltered cigarettes. Order a case today!
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Really the kids that were calling in to his show earlier in the year got a much better deal. Especially during the latest iProduct launch: he was giving away iPads and Macbooks to young callers that passed the True Conservative purity test. Now? Callers get an audiobook of Rush reading the same poo poo they just read. His show has really been insufferable for the last couple of weeks. He takes up about an hour of his time usually reserved for strawman arguments about how the latest Democratic action is an affront to all things American to gush about his book. He just so proud of it! And everyone loves Liberty, Rush's trusty time travelling, talking Horse. According to his callers Liberty is so funny and Rush needs to get into the business of writing books for kids. The funniest thing is when he reads fan mail that reads something like 'oh I've read the book to my homeschooled kid, it's so much better than those other history books' while Rush will decry academia as a liberal indoctrination camp in another segment.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I was amazed to find out that Rush is now more than just books and radio If the nutritional facts are correct it actually looks pretty decent. It's just sugar (not HFCS), something called "tea essence" and black tea. I wouldn't buy cases of it but I'd probably try one if they sold them at gas stations. edit: Oh god I just thought about what "tea essence" could possibly be.
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pentyne posted:edit: Oh god I just thought about what "tea essence" could possibly be. "Foreigners uh... foreigners sense are freedoms and they seek the tea essence. I, uh... I do not avoid foreigners, but I... I do deny them my essence." Tea Essence is basically the tea leaf equivalent of olive oil.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:"It's just right" It sure is.
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pentyne posted:If the nutritional facts are correct it actually looks pretty decent. It's just sugar (not HFCS), something called "tea essence" and black tea. I wouldn't buy cases of it but I'd probably try one if they sold them at gas stations. My father is a Limbaugh fan, and I had a version of the Raspberry version. Was actually okay. I wouldn't pay for a case of the stuff (very expensive), but if it was at a gas station for a "decent price" (ie like 1.29), I wouldn't be against drinking it.
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Business Gorillas posted:Didn't Rumsfeld also dodge the draft? Also, Mittens went on missionary work as soon as he was eligible to get drafted iirc. Rumor has it that Mitt actually wanted to go, or failing that get missionaried off to some isolated corner of Africa to do some Real Good, but his father had no interest in seeing his son endangered, thus France. Sounds plausible from a Generic Father standpoint. Possibly plausible enough to even seduce George Romney.
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Every presidential candidate that served in Vietnam never won the presidency. Check that poo poo out.
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