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jng2058 posted:Who's Broccoli? That's the only on I hadn't guessed. The character who has that nickname - Barclay. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Slamhound posted:My favorite part of this is the final post in the first two Worf threads. Picard chills him out, Garak winds him up again. Garak? Oh, no. That's Elim posting in that thread. Let me tell you about Elim...
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bobkatt013 posted:She is a counselor who loves chocolate. Ah. I didn't know that her liking chocolate was a thing. Thanks.
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Angry Walrus posted:Ah. I didn't know that her liking chocolate was a thing. Thanks. That was one of her few character traits.
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Nov 12, 2013 09:13
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bobkatt013 posted:That was one of her few character traits. That, and piloting skills.
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Nov 12, 2013 09:14
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bobkatt013 posted:That was one of her few character traits. I love the Voyager episode where Barclay is having a nervous breakdown and pretty visibly hiding some serious issues and Troi wont talk about poo poo until he makes good on a bowl of chocolate ice cream he promised. In other words, Troi's legacy of awful was right at home in Voyager.
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Otisburg posted:Maybe my sympathy is misplaced, but when I read about minor characters appearing at Trek conventions I sort of wish they could have just done their time in Trek and moved on to other things, you know, and didn't have to put on weirdo alien make-up and ham it up for a bunch of unwashed nerds. Well, I don't know exactly how much someone like him earns in residuals, especially since he was likely only in maybe 1/4 - 1/3 of DS9 episodes. But that combined with the constant milking of his characters at events, conventions, et al, I'm sure with some decently financial planning the dude is set for life. It's really not a bad gig to have one character who is remembered so fondly and vividly by a large amount of dumb people willing to throw money at a TV show from 20+ years ago. poo poo, if all I had to do was put on Ferengi costume and rap and answer awkward questions 5-6 times a year something to live comfortably, I'd say sign me the gently caress up. Actors with the talent and the looks of an Aron Eisenberg could only dream of a better role and acting opportunity. Dudes like that usually get stuck playing Extra Weird Dude #2 in straight to DVD movies and poo poo, not owning a character, like I said, that is remembered as well as Star Trek dudes are. Seriously, in that era getting a role on Star Trek even as just a reoccurring side character, for non-Patrick Stewart level actors/talent, must have been considered the loving jackpot with the syndication money and high nerd profile you achieve. For actors like Rom and Nog and what not it's likely the best role they could ever hope for. So while I understand in spirit what you are getting at, I don't really feel all that bad for the dude considering what his career would likely have been without his gig on DS9. Damo fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Nov 12, 2013 10:39
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Meanwhile, Colm Meaney is in the latest Richard Curtis schmaltz-fest, which must pay very well.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:02
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Meaney was already a reasonably succesful actor before Trek and has been for some time now. I guess that's why O'Brien wasn't a regular character on TNG.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:54
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Colm Meaney is in Hell on Wheels. apparently. I haven't seen it but a few folks I know say it's pretty good.
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Nov 12, 2013 14:12
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He also recently held a shotgun to Alan Partridge's head, but yeah Colm Meaney has a pretty solid acting career, he might not be the headliner but he gets regular work.
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Nov 12, 2013 14:17
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Colm Meaney beat up James Bond. In a fridge.
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Nov 12, 2013 14:17
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I heard Jonathan Banks/ Mike The Cleaner from Breaking Bad was on DS9. I assume he plays a Cardassian or one of those scary Dominion warriors?
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Nov 12, 2013 14:18
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Colm was on SVU once. An abusive, alcoholic Judge or something.
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Count Chocula posted:I heard Jonathan Banks/ Mike The Cleaner from Breaking Bad was on DS9. I assume he plays a Cardassian or one of those scary Dominion warriors?
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Nov 12, 2013 14:32
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Mr Wind Up Bird posted:He's in one of the really early episodes when Sisko and the space pope crash on a prison planet where no one can ever die but you have to fight in a war forever and if you "die" on the planet you can never leave because of nano-bots or something. Sisko manages to get off but he just totally abandons the Kai there and it's never mentioned again. Yeah, this occurred to me while Bashir was desperately trying to cure Odo of HIS weird plot-based space sickness. Wasn't he gonna try to cure the people of that planet? Guess it got back-burnered.
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Mr Wind Up Bird posted:He's in one of the really early episodes when Sisko and the space pope crash on a prison planet where no one can ever die but you have to fight in a war forever and if you "die" on the planet you can never leave because of nano-bots or something. Sisko manages to get off but he just totally abandons the Kai there and it's never mentioned again. IIRC, she's mentioned one or two more times, but not long after that happens. But I totally forgot about it by season four because  Just watched TNG's "Allegiance" yesterday. I like a good, tense mutiny plot as much as the next guy, but goddamn was the premise awful. The aliens at the end of the episode were some of the goofiest poo poo I've seen in TNG since season one.
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Nov 12, 2013 15:45
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I've been watching TOS lately since I've been hankering for some trek and finding myself surprisingly pleased. The first few episodes are really weird, especially the pilot with Pike commanding the Enterprise and then the two-parter that is a rehash of the pilot (which I think I would have enjoyed more if I hadn't seen the pilot already since a majority of that two-parter are directly repurposed scenes). BUT! what surprised me the most was the episode I watched last night, A Taste of Armageddon. At the end Kirk gives 'general order 23' which apparently means Scotty and the Enterprise are ready to blow this entire planet to hell. I kept waiting for there to be some sort of twist to general order 23, like it was all a ploy. But really, if things hadn't gone Kirk's way Scotty would have blown that planet out of space. That's certainly not an order Picard would have ever toyed with. He'd have been all noble sacrifice, prime directive and cultural relativism. But no, Kirk is all gently caress y'all I'm plunging this planet into direct and horrible war and even so if you don't do things my way I'm blowing all this poo poo up so gently caress YOU.
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showbiz_liz posted:Yeah, this occurred to me while Bashir was desperately trying to cure Odo of HIS weird plot-based space sickness. Wasn't he gonna try to cure the people of that planet? Guess it got back-burnered. They were able to cure the people on the planet and were totally down to do it, until the two sides started killing each other again after almost looking like they'd get along. (Cause long standing disputes can be solved in a matter of hours, right?) Sisko and Bashir decided the people weren't ready to leave the planet yet if they couldn't make peace and Opaka stayed behind to help them find peace.
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Medoken posted:I've been watching TOS lately since I've been hankering for some trek and finding myself surprisingly pleased. The first few episodes are really weird, especially the pilot with Pike commanding the Enterprise and then the two-parter that is a rehash of the pilot (which I think I would have enjoyed more if I hadn't seen the pilot already since a majority of that two-parter are directly repurposed scenes). Between attempting to kill a Federation ambassador, shooting at a Federation starship, and the episode's implication that at least one other visiting ship of some kind had been destroyed, it's honestly difficult to imagine Eminiar being able to try much harder to start a war with the Federation. That said, the important thing to remember about the episode is that the Federation considered it urgent that Eminiar was to basically stop shooting down ships. Ambassador Fox even says the Enterprise is "expendable" for the purposes of the mission. In TNG it's highly unlikely Picard would have been sent on such a mission; Starfleet would probably just lay a few beacons saying "steer clear of these assholes" and move along. I think you're right about Picard not even considering a general orbital bombardment, but I do think some level of force would have to have been applied to end the war, even if the TNG solution would have been some sort of technobabble like hacking the war computers to stop killing people. (It's still a kind of force, if not physical.) EDIT: Oh and as for the "first" episode with Pike: That was actually the pilot episode, which was produced more for the NBC executives than it was for the general audience, and was never fully aired during the original broadcast run. That's why they did the two-parter: so they could get some use out of footage that would otherwise be unusable for how much it differs from the rest of the series. They spent a lot on that first pilot, too. I think it was like $600,000... in 1964 dollars. Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Nov 12, 2013 17:09
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That pilot cost a lot probably because of all the different settings they used. I wonder if those were all sets that were built or if they were repurposed from other productions on the lot, because while the castle, field, etc. used in Pike's illusions look really good for soundstage sets, Talos itself looks like a huge pile of poo poo.
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Nov 12, 2013 20:36
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Roddenberry knew that the studio would be tight fisted when it came to building standing sets later on, so he deliberately front-loaded a lot of that construction into the pilot.
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The Dark One posted:Roddenberry knew that the studio would be tight fisted when it came to building standing sets later on, so he deliberately front-loaded a lot of that construction into the pilot. Gene didn't have a bloody clue, it was all down to Solow, Justman, Jeffries, et al. They came up with the idea of using coloured gels to 'paint' scenery colours, rather than, well, paint, and finding futuristic do-dads in bargain basement sales, making all the sets wild so they were very adaptable. Roddenberry knew gently caress all about producing a show, he was just a writer. He creates (or rewrites) a scene, and all the background guys scrabble to make it happen.
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Nov 13, 2013 02:30
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To be fair he did write a brief scene in engineering in Farpoint so they'd have to redress and build the sets for it.
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Nov 13, 2013 02:45
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TOS was always very big on using whatever sets they had lying around from other productions. It's why there are so many Earth history knockoffs.
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Nov 13, 2013 03:31
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So really Star Trek has been cheap since the beginning and not just when they reused TNG sets for The Undiscovered Country.
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Nov 13, 2013 04:57
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I like the episode where the guy from New Jersey of the Past comes to jack stuff from the future, except the plot with the planet is kinda lame. I assume some sort of novel or comic involves him going to the place in Jersey where his time pod is supposed to end up
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Nov 13, 2013 04:59
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It's a challenge inherent to depicting a post-scarcity society from the confines of a during-scarcity one.
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Nov 13, 2013 04:59
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mp5 posted:So really Star Trek has been cheap since the beginning and not just when they reused TNG sets for The Undiscovered Country. 
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Tiggum posted:DS9 is the opposite of TNG. Starts really good gets pretty poo poo by the end. All that stuff with the wormhole beings and the war was just tedious and dumb. Also, some characters (notably Dukat) just become bizarrely inconsistent. Voyager is definitely the worst though.
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Nov 13, 2013 05:35
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Star Trek is just like Troma, reusing the Sgt. Kabukiman car-flip for decades. It's called getting your money's worth.
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mp5 posted:So really Star Trek has been cheap since the beginning and not just when they reused TNG sets for The Undiscovered Country. TOS actually had a relatively large budget, TMP had an insane amount of money spent on it, and TNG was a very expensive show when it was in production. Although interestingly, supposedly a very large proportion of the TNG episode costs were fixed; out of something like $1.5 million on average, they could only really play with about $200,000 of it, and the rest was already committed to cast and crew.
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Weirdly, TOS can sometimes look a little less low budget than early TNG, actually, mostly because they were pretty aware that they were doing things like filming on an old Western set and compensated for it, whereas TNG's early solution was to activate the fog machine and fake lightning against a purple backdrop. Gas God Space Monster #s 1-27 are almost all a hell of a lot better looking than the blob monster that kills Tasha. Even the rubber lizard suit looks less absurd than some of those super 80s effects.
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Four episodes from the finale, and we're playing Leisurely Traipse Through A Tertiary Character's Brain? Edit: ok never mind, this scene with Bashir and OBrien admitting their bromance makes it all worth it showbiz_liz fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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Nov 13, 2013 07:17
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Was walking through the mall earlier today, and noticed that the Continuum is apparently branching out into....women's clothing?
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Nov 13, 2013 07:38
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If only all Star Trek fistfights could have been as well choreographed and intense as the one in A Matter of Honor. Could you guys imagine every DS9 fight scene being that good? 
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Nov 13, 2013 07:49
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:TOS actually had a relatively large budget, TMP had an insane amount of money spent on it, and TNG was a very expensive show when it was in production. Although interestingly, supposedly a very large proportion of the TNG episode costs were fixed; out of something like $1.5 million on average, they could only really play with about $200,000 of it, and the rest was already committed to cast and crew. TMP's official budget is pretty much Hollywood accounting, though - it's including the costs of all the failed Star Trek projects that came before it, like the "Phase 2" series. It probably had more money to play with than the later movies, but not by the massive amount that the official figures make it look like it had.
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Well yeah that too.
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Farecoal posted:If only all Star Trek fistfights could have been as well choreographed and intense as the one in A Matter of Honor. Could you guys imagine every DS9 fight scene being that good?  
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I remember noticing this immediately, first time, at eight loving years old goddamn
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