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Is Hillary still against raising the payroll tax cap? If so, that's a sweet spot to hit from the left.
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I expect we'll also see people smacking Diamond Joe around on his lovely positions w/r/t bankruptcy and the credit card industry, though plagiarism and being your slapstick uncle who slips on a banana peel constantly seems to be what sticks with people the most. EDIT: I also want him to run so that Taibbi will finally explain why he loathes Biden so strongly. EDIT EDIT: notthegoatseguy posted:The major advantage Hillary has right now is she, unlike Biden, has actually won an early primary or caucus state before: New Hampshire. Biden hasn't. He's camping out and sucking up to everyone in these states because he's still trying to figure out where he can win and win big. Iowa' a good bet but then again, he's got a horrible electoral track record when it comes to running for President. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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jeffersonlives posted:Biden would be perceived as more liberal on issues like gay rights Biden voted for DOMA and the people in the know, know he was pushing Obama against coming out in support of gay marriage before trying to steal credit for it after the decision was made (and making a lot of enemies in Obamaland in the process).
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DynamicSloth posted:I suppose some people can perceive whatever they like but that perception isn't really based on reality. Can you elaborate on this?
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Biden has a reputation for foot in mouth moments and being a gaffe-bomb. Earned or not, this narrative prevents him from having a serious shot at 2016, and he's attached at the hip to Obama's legacy.
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Re: worst-run primary campaigns, you could probably make a case for Giuliani. He was also seen as inevitable by some people early on and that dude turned out to not even be a factor in the election at all, with his hilarious Florida strategy and his total lack of charm.
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Biden is also atrocious on the war on drugs.
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Kim Jong Il posted:Biden is also atrocious on the war on drugs. How so?
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The Denver PD might have to continue their practice of getting up early to beat the crowds because Denver is bidding to host the 2016 GOP convention. Other cities bidding include Las Vegas, Kansas City, Charlotte, Chicago, and Cleveland.
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Joementum posted:The Denver PD might have to continue their practice of getting up early to beat the crowds because Denver is bidding to host the 2016 GOP convention.  It's like the 1960s all over again.
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Mycroft Holmes posted:How so? Among other things, he's responsible for COPS, which funnels money to SWAT raids. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/no-mr-vice-president-cops_n_2568497.html
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Paul MaudDib posted:Can you elaborate on this? You have to read between the lines a little bit but it's all in this story: Biden apologizes to Obama for marriage controversy The fact that not only was Biden made to apologize to the President but the entire details of the incident (including Biden's prior reticence on same sex marriage) suggests that a lot of people inside the White House were pissed.
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According to Double Down, what happened is that Biden's position actually did evolve, climaxing in a moment where a gay couple at a fundraiser asked him why they couldn't get married. Simultaneously, Obama's staff was planning a giant media event where the president came out in favor of gay marriage, because Obama had gotten tired of how weak his public position there was. Unfortunately, neither side told the other what was going on, so this lead to Joe Biden expressing his new views on national television weeks ahead of Obama's planned event. Cue the WH staffers howling for his blood, and Biden offering Obama an apology. FWIW, Obama doesn't seem to hate Biden like his staffers do. They're actually quite close.
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Honestly half of Biden's "gaffes" since becoming VP seem to be due to Obama's staff trying to keep him out of the loop.
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DynamicSloth posted:I suppose some people can perceive whatever they like but that perception isn't really based on reality. To be fair he did basically force Obama to come out in support of gay marriage.
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Badger of Basra posted:To be fair he did basically force Obama to come out in support of gay marriage. If he tries to take the credit for that he's going to piss off a lot of people who were actually pushing Obama in that direction, not to mention Obama himself. Though really I don't see many ways gay marriage becomes an issue in the Democratic primary in 2016.
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DynamicSloth posted:If he tries to take the credit for that he's going to piss off a lot of people who were actually pushing Obama in that direction, not to mention Obama himself. He won't try to but I don't think it's fair to paint him as somehow terrible on gay rights.
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Used to be maybe, but so was the majority of your whole country until a relatively short while ago 
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Badger of Basra posted:He won't try to but I don't think it's fair to paint him as somehow terrible on gay rights. By no means, if he was it could be an issue, but it won't be an issue because there will be zero daylight between each candidates' position. Even the Republicans will be in basically the same place by 2016, Ted Cruz recently begged off with the federalism excuse as has Rand.
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Crying federalism is wishing it would go away so you can quietly side with the social conservatives. Every Republican will say they want more judges like Scalia and people who care know what that means. The GOP platform will continue endorsing the federal marriage amendment unless SCOTUS has already settled things. I don't believe they are that bitter. It's unlikely to be a big deal outside of "this candidate shares my values" exit polling but if Democrats keep the Nevada legislature there will be a 2016 referendum and Ohio and Colorado are moving toward it. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Honestly half of Biden's "gaffes" since becoming VP seem to be due to Obama's staff trying to keep him out of the loop. If I were Obama I don't think I could resist sitting them all down and telling them to cut the juvenile bullshit, but I guess this is part of No Drama Obama.
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Adar posted:After NH, she went on to pick up an overwhelming percentage of her votes in areas where Obama purposefully didn't sink resources (because he was busy picking up caucus delegates and uncommitted supers for free) This is an insightful point that I hope doesn't get lost. Obama's pick-and-choose strategy in the 2008 primary means that "Clinton beat Obama by X% in state Y, therefore she'd cleanup there in 2016" doesn't necessarily follow. ReindeerF posted:One question I've been wondering about - how does McAuliffe's new role affect his ability to carry out his duties as a Clinton/DLC bag man? Well, he's probably not going for an elected office for a while since he's not up for re-election, so it's not like he can lose votes by being vocal. And Tim Kaine was DNC chair while he was Governor, so it's not like people haven't been able to do both - it's only a few hours from Richmond to DC. Jazerus posted:If I were Obama I don't think I could resist sitting them all down and telling them to cut the juvenile bullshit, but I guess this is part of No Drama Obama. "Staffer smackdown" is the quickest path to a lot of hostile internal leaks, so Obama has an incentive to try to stay No Drama. That's not to suggest Presidents fear their staffers, but ruling with an iron fist can backfire. Throw in Obama being overworked and probably only getting limited info on these sorts of issues, and I can see why intervention there becomes a challenge. Also, if this happened, you'd never hear about it. Most of these sorts of stories make their way into "Game Change" style books and Politico because someone has a bug up his rear end and gives his one-sided take to a journalist, so frequently you only hear things that benefit somebody involved or are slanted to their PoV. Nobody ever tells the reporter things which hurt their ego or their objectives. If Obama was forced to have an aggressive "cut the bullshit" sitdown/mediation, the staffers wouldn't leak it because they look bad getting schooled by the President, Biden wouldn't leak it because it makes him sound weak, and Obama wouldn't leak it because he doesn't want to encourage "Democratic infighting" gossip.
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Stormagetiton posted:Well, he's probably not going for an elected office for a while since he's not up for re-election, so it's not like he can lose votes by being vocal. And Tim Kaine was DNC chair while he was Governor, so it's not like people haven't been able to do both - it's only a few hours from Richmond to DC.  ).
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TheBalor posted:According to Double Down, what happened is that Biden's position actually did evolve, climaxing in a moment where a gay couple at a fundraiser asked him why they couldn't get married. Simultaneously, Obama's staff was planning a giant media event where the president came out in favor of gay marriage, because Obama had gotten tired of how weak his public position there was. Unfortunately, neither side told the other what was going on, so this lead to Joe Biden expressing his new views on national television weeks ahead of Obama's planned event. Cue the WH staffers howling for his blood, and Biden offering Obama an apology. If only Obama grew tired of his perceived weakness on a host of other issues, this presidency might still go somewhere.
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ReindeerF posted:Yeah, true, I guess I'm just a bit surprised if a sitting Governor can spend anything approaching a similar amount of time running around the country raising money for his political allies the way he did when he was a full-time DLC/Clinton bag man. A lot of that money comes from other parts of the country (and China Aren't we talking about a guy who stopped in for a fundraiser while bringing his newborn home from the hospital? Being Governor just means he's got a nice mansion to hold dinners in.
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Considering he only got elected because the GOP put up the most loathsome guys they could find, I would hope he would as least tone down the slimy politician cliché long enough so that people aren't sickened by electing him and turn off voting for Democrats in Virginia.
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Gyges posted:Aren't we talking about a guy who stopped in for a fundraiser while bringing his newborn home from the hospital? Being Governor just means he's got a nice mansion to hold dinners in. The Virginia House of Delegates is 2/3 Republican. I'm not exactly expecting McAuliffe to be overburdened with bills to sign.
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McAuliffe's a party hack, and he'll be a party hack as governor. He'll support whoever and whatever the Clintons (or the DNC) tell him to. I don't think he'll do any irreparable damage to Virginia--in fact, if they had a decent legislature he could be persuaded to sign some good legislation--but I don't expect him to be an all-star.
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DynamicSloth posted:He's also term limited and there's unlikely to be an open Democratic Senate seat from Virginia any time in the next decade and a half, his only hope for advancement is the Clinton Cabinet. God don't even joke about him running for senate. I thought it was fairly obvious he's just resume burnishing to justify a position in the Clinton white house? VA has been a pretty successful springboard for its Dem governors and McAuliffe hasn't really had anything but drunken commentator on news channel on his resume since 2005. I mean he can still be the fundraising guy but that only gets him an Ambassadorship to Spain or the UK. The only harm he'll really do to Virginia in the meantime is if he gets caught in some corrupt fundraising scandal.... We're doomed. farraday fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Nov 15, 2013 |
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Adar posted:Hillary ran the worst presidential primary campaign since at least Thomas Dewey. How can you say that in the same cycle (2008) as we had 1. Rudy Giuliani's amazing "ignore every primary before Florida" strategy that turned him into a national laughingstock and left him with a dismal third place finish in the state he staked everything on. 2. Fred Thompson hailed as the savior of the GOP upon his late Labor Day entrance (it seems every cycle since 2004 has had one of these between Clark in 2004, Thompson in 2008, and Perry in 2012 and they all flame out...maybe jumping into the race six months late is a mistake)? Thompson promptly blew everything by, among other things, literally being too lazy to campaign and having the most open schedule of any presidential primary candidate in recent memory, including, IIRC, a flat-out refusal to hold events before 11 AM. An utter lack of exposure sends him tumbling from savior of the GOP to "oh, I forgot that guy was in the race" in mere weeks.
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Giuliani didn't really have great options. Iowa and South Carolina are nonstarters for a pro-choice Republican in this day and age. He decided to make Florida the point to make the stand instead of New Hampshire, and while that was obviously very wrong in retrospect, the part that Rudy doesn't know when he's making that call is that McCain is going to sweep New Hampshire and South Carolina. If, say, Huckabee pulls out South Carolina, suddenly that wing of the party is not unifying around McCain so quickly, and Rudy's guessed right. Fred Thompson was really doing more of a free media publicity tour than a presidential campaign.
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Mycroft Holmes posted:How so? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAVE_Act
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Joementum posted:He could steal Bill Daley's coveted Worst 21st Century Chief of Staff award. Why was Bill Daley such an awful COS? I've heard this a bunch but never any specifics
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this_is_hard posted:Why was Bill Daley such an awful COS? I've heard this a bunch but never any specifics He repeatedly tried to cut deals on legislation with Congress without telling anyone else in the White House. This caused rather obvious problems.
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