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AFewBricksShy posted:My favorite town in PA is King of Prussia, PA. It's not named after the King of Prussia, but rather the inn in the town that was called the King of Prussia Inn. The Inn was actually named after Frederick the Great, who was never the King of Prussia, but rather a King in Prussia, as well! 
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Indiana, Pennsylvania has a school named Indiana University. Not to be confused with the state university of Indiana, Indiana University.
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Peanut President posted:Indiana, Pennsylvania has a school named Indiana University. Not to be confused with the state university of Indiana, Indiana University. Better yet, it's not just Indiana University, it's Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Of course, it's no Miami University of Ohio.
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I'm just weirded out by the fact that Kansas City is the largest city...of Missouri.
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DarkCrawler posted:I'm just weirded out by the fact that Kansas City is the largest city...of Missouri. That is a really weird perspective. I get that it's representative of how it's supposed to look on the globe, but it's a flat map. I'd prefer a level, straight-on view that may not be entirely accurate to a wonky, more correct projection.
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Tang dynasty in the 7th century. Tibet had a tributary relationship at this point.
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AFewBricksShy posted:My favorite town in PA is King of Prussia, PA. It's not named after the King of Prussia, but rather the inn in the town that was called the King of Prussia Inn. Oh there's a town named that way in Paris suburbs, Le Kremlin-Bicetre. It was originally just called Bicetre (a corruption of Winchester, as the Archbishop of Winchester had a manor there) and in the 19th century the name Kremlin was added after a tavern frequented by Russia veterans called Au sergent du Kremlin (at the Kremlin's sergeant).
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DrSunshine posted:What IS the deal with Pennsylvania?! What, your region doesn't have poo poo named after what ever they felt like in whatever language they cared to do it in?
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I guess the map thread is the appropriate place to ask geography questions. What do Americans (or maybe just New Englanders) have against the concept of villages? When I was in New England travelling through the countryside every settlement, no matter how tiny, seemed to be called a town. To me as a European anything with a population of less than a thousand or so is a village, so it was weird seeing four or five houses having a sign saying it was a town.
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marktheando posted:I guess the map thread is the appropriate place to ask geography questions. What do Americans (or maybe just New Englanders) have against the concept of villages? When I was in New England travelling through the countryside every settlement, no matter how tiny, seemed to be called a town. To me as a European anything with a population of less than a thousand or so is a village, so it was weird seeing four or five houses having a sign saying it was a town. I think it's just a general terminology thing, the term "village" in the US is almost never used to refer to American towns. Villages do exist legally in the US, though.
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marktheando posted:I guess the map thread is the appropriate place to ask geography questions. What do Americans (or maybe just New Englanders) have against the concept of villages? When I was in New England travelling through the countryside every settlement, no matter how tiny, seemed to be called a town. To me as a European anything with a population of less than a thousand or so is a village, so it was weird seeing four or five houses having a sign saying it was a town. As usual it varies by state, but in general there's not really a legal definition of a "village" and it's used interchangeably with towns and cities (apparently in the state of Idaho for example, all municipalities are called cities).
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marktheando posted:I guess the map thread is the appropriate place to ask geography questions. What do Americans (or maybe just New Englanders) have against the concept of villages? When I was in New England travelling through the countryside every settlement, no matter how tiny, seemed to be called a town. To me as a European anything with a population of less than a thousand or so is a village, so it was weird seeing four or five houses having a sign saying it was a town. As others have said since there is no national legal binding to demarcate things as villages the general consensus in the US is that if you're a village you're some rustic 16th century european straw-roofed place whereas town has a modern bent to it so everybody wants to be a town.
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HorseRenoir posted:I think it's just a general terminology thing, the term "village" in the US is almost never used to refer to American towns. Villages do exist legally in the US, though. I grew up in a legal village in Michigan of about 500 or so people although I'm 99% sure we didn't have any local governance other than the township so it was just a name.
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Barudak posted:As others have said since there is no national legal binding to demarcate things as villages the general consensus in the US is that if you're a village you're some rustic 16th century european straw-roofed place whereas town has a modern bent to it so everybody wants to be a town. That was my suspicion. Thanks for the answers everyone. computer parts posted:(apparently in the state of Idaho for example, all municipalities are called cities). Silly, everyone knows you aren't a city unless you have a cathedral.
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marktheando posted:
If Mormon temples count that would justify a few of them. Anyway:  (I think the geographic center includes Alaska & Hawaii) Bonus map including Ohio!  I do not fall in this category at all.
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Barudak posted:As others have said since there is no national legal binding to demarcate things as villages the general consensus in the US is that if you're a village you're some rustic 16th century european straw-roofed place whereas town has a modern bent to it so everybody wants to be a town. I guess this might be true if you're just talking about how things are named, but terms like "town" or "city" have legal meanings that vary a lot from state to state. In CT there are plenty of places that call themselves "villages," but they're always part of a larger town and never have any form of local governance. Even cities in CT have to be part of a parent town, although as far as I know all the cities in CT are coextensive with the towns that they're technically subordinate to. Meanwhile, "village" actually does have a legal definition in New York and NY villages provide services to their residents. Edit- we even have a town with a population of 900 that includes a village 
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Paradoxish posted:I guess this might be true if you're just talking about how things are named, but terms like "town" or "city" have legal meanings that vary a lot from state to state. In CT there are plenty of places that call themselves "villages," but they're always part of a larger town and never have any form of local governance. Even cities in CT have to be part of a parent town, although as far as I know all the cities in CT are coextensive with the towns that they're technically subordinate to. Meanwhile, "village" actually does have a legal definition in New York and NY villages provide services to their residents. Now I'm just even more confused. Cities that are subordinate to towns? What?
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Yeah, in NY a hamlet can incorporate, and become it's own village. Usually as an excuse to enrich some rear end in a top hat politicians.
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marktheando posted:Now I'm just even more confused. Cities that are subordinate to towns? What? Yep. Towns are the basic municipality under counties in CT, and cities have to be a part of a parent town. It's a totally meaningless bit of trivia since all the cities in CT are coextensive with their parent towns and have a consolidated government, but there it is.
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Hip-Hoptimus Rhyme posted:Of course, it's no Miami University of Ohio. Miami in Ohio is named after the Miami people from that area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_people Miami in Florida is named after the Mayaimi people from that area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayaimi Different origins, but the Ohio area used the name by English-speakers 100 years earlier.
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In Holland, only the terms 'municipality' and 'built-up area' are defined by law. So what's considered a city/town/village? It depends on whatever people commonly call a place, there's no strict definition at all. Although, some people use the definition of historical (medieval) city rights. Often, but not always, historical cities were walled. In any case, by this historical definition, the village of Staverden (pop. 40 including surrounding farms) is a city, but the modern city of The Hague, which houses the parliament, is not actually a city, as it never got medieval city rights.
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DarkCrawler posted:I'm just weirded out by the fact that Kansas City is the largest city...of Missouri. Kansas City, Missouri, is across a river from Kansas City, Kansas marktheando posted:Now I'm just even more confused. Cities that are subordinate to towns? What? It varies by state, as with many things in the USA Farecoal fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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marktheando posted:Now I'm just even more confused. Cities that are subordinate to towns? What? If you're ever confused as to why something has a ton of stupid variable rules in the US the answer is always because we have states. Why are American gun laws so wacky? States. Why is every business in America technically from Delaware? States. Why can't American's name things consistently? 46 States and 4 Commonwealths.
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Barudak posted:If you're ever confused as to why something has a ton of stupid variable rules in the US the answer is always because we have states. Why are American gun laws so wacky? States. Why is every business in America technically from Delaware? States. Why can't American's name things consistently? 46 States and 4 Commonwealths. And that's mostly because originally the States were like European States - separate countries that happened to have a common overlying government that they agreed to be a part of. Then the Civil War happened and well the rest is history.
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New England is a bit different from the rest of the country since pretty much every piece of land is part of some town or another, with the exception of even-more-middle-of-nowhere-than-the-rest-of-the-state places in Maine (and perhaps VT or NH as well, I forget). The rest of the country has land in-between towns which I couldn't wrap my head around when I first left New Englad. "You mean we're not in any town?" Anyways, in New England at least, as someone said, villages tend to be unofficial centers of commerce within towns. A town refers to the municipal borders, but if a town has three "main street" type places, then it might have three villages. These can be unofficial or they might be census-designated places (meaning they exist only for the purpose of counting and making colored maps). Sometimes they have a post office and you can address mail to the village name but no one except geography nerds and town officials really understands what's going on. The colloquial names for villages tend to vary too. People usually refer to the village Rockville in Vernon CT as "Vernon-Rockville", though the nearby village Storrs in Mansfield, CT is usually called "Storrs, Mansfield". Then there's Willimantic, a village (city? CDP?) in Windham, CT, but people refer to it as just "Willimantic" or "that shithole". Where I grew up in MA, we had villages but no one ever used them in casual conversation. Newton, MA is a good example of a city (in MA, cities are the same level as towns, I think) where the villages have grown into each other over time, so there are no longer swaths of farmland dividing settled areas. But most of them are still commonly used conversationally and have a small commercial core.  tl; dr, I guess villages are like big neighborhoods. SurgicalOntologist fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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SurgicalOntologist posted:New England is a bit different from the rest of the country since pretty much every piece of land is part of some town or another, with the exception of even-more-middle-of-nowhere-than-the-rest-of-the-state places in Maine (and perhaps VT or NH as well, I forget). The rest of the country has land in-between towns which I couldn't wrap my head around when I first left New Englad. "You mean we're not in any town?" That's interesting. I hadn't considered that it was because of the way local government works. In Scotland we do have villages within towns and cities, but they are always a result of a city growing to absorb surrounding villages, so people just keep calling some neighbourhoods villages despite them being part of a city for generations.
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E: /\ /\ Also, in addition to villages that date to original colonial settlement centers, some date to industrial-era complexes where there was a mill, a company general store, and some houses. For example, along the Blackstone River in RI, between the cities of Woonsocket and Pawtucket, you have the villages Manville, Albion, Ashton, in the town of Lincoln and then the village Valley Falls in the town of Cumberland. All originally centered around a factory/mill.DarkCrawler posted:I'm just weirded out by the fact that Kansas City is the largest city...of Missouri. Just want to add that I like this map but it's way too liberal with what it includes in each region. If it's not contiguous, don't count it in the same region. That simple rule would eliminate all the ridiculousness (Kansas City, Salt Lake City, and... is that Boise?!?). Then the natural assumption is, hey, maybe Minneapolis, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, and Memphis are actually microregions (aka "regions") and not part of some far away megaregion. Also New Orleans, because Gulf Coast doesn't fit with the others. E: Also on what planet is Hampton Roads part of a Northeast megaregion but not Albany? SurgicalOntologist fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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What ever, just pretend it's a map of mega-city states in some cyberpunk future.
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Here in Illinois, small municipalities seem to prefer being referred to as "villages" instead of "towns". Village of Sugar Grove, Village of Oswego, Village of Skokie, Village of Schaumburg, etc...computer parts posted:
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fermun posted:Miami in Ohio is named after the Miami people from that area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_people I went to the Ohio version of Miami and one of the bookstores there sells t-shirts that say "Miami was a university when Florida belonged to Spain". Also, I frequently get confused when people comment on how nice the weather must have been when I tell them that I went to Miami University.
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computer parts posted:My favorite one is the one where Penn State is located, State College, Pennsylvania. State college is a funny town because you go driving along 80 and then suddenly out of nowhere a small city appears. 
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tk posted:"Miami was a university when Florida belonged to Spain".  I take it you're familiar with the bit from The Office then as well?
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Lawman 0 posted:State college is a funny town because you go driving along 80 and then suddenly out of nowhere a small city appears. That's near identical to College Station to be fair.
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computer parts posted:If Mormon temples count that would justify a few of them.
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DarkCrawler posted:I'm just weirded out by the fact that Kansas City is the largest city...of Missouri. Missouri has a lot of weird cities. Here's a list of some: Alexandria Beverly Hills Buffalo Charleston California Carthage Columbia Cuba Essex Kansas City Lebanon Liberal Lexington Louisiana Memphis Mexico Moscow Mills Mount Vernon Oakland Odessa Pacific Paris Richmond Versailles Vienna Warsaw
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The great state of Missouri is a microcosm of the whole world.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Just want to add that I like this map but it's way too liberal with what it includes in each region. If it's not contiguous, don't count it in the same region. That simple rule would eliminate all the ridiculousness (Kansas City, Salt Lake City, and... is that Boise?!?). Then the natural assumption is, hey, maybe Minneapolis, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, and Memphis are actually microregions (aka "regions") and not part of some far away megaregion. Also New Orleans, because Gulf Coast doesn't fit with the others. Gulf Coast is actually pretty closely integrated, culturally. Up until the southern Texas part, it's all variations on a French Catholic inspired theme. That region is the part of the US that cares about Mardi Gras, with Mobile and New Orleans having the oldest and best known parades, respectively. Sure, there are some scattered celebrations north of there, but almost every decent sized city from Pensacola to Galveston either has its own Krewe or is very close to a city with multiple Krewes.
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Golbez posted:I think the geographic center is the point at which the country, including Alaska and Hawaii, would be perfectly balanced population-wise. So it's not just about numbers, but about distance from that center. The geographic mean is simply the point where exactly 1/4 of the population lives NE, NW, SE, and SW of it. The difference between the two is caused by the fact that the region between the Mississippi and California is very underpopulated, not to mention the distance of Alaska and Hawaii. No, the geographic center has nothing to do with population. The geographic center is based on geography, hence the name. I'm not certain exactly how they determine this, but at a guess I'd say they connect the NE-most point to the SW-most point and the NW-most point to the SE-most point, and where they cross is where the geographic center is. Without the Alaska and Hawaii it's in northern Kansas. What you're calling the geographic mean is what the map legend call the Median Center of Population. What you're calling the geographic center is what the map legend calls the Mean Center of Population (I think. I'm not entirely certain what you're saying there, actually). Edit: Phlegmish posted:If you look up any major European city on Wikipedia and then click disambiguation, you'll usually find a whole list of American towns. Middle Eastern cities, too. I counted once, and while I forget the exact number almost three quarters of the states had a Lebanon in there somewhere. And yes, I know that's a country, not a city, but it illustrates my point. Golden_Zucchini fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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