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Declan MacManus posted:Well yes but you're also assuming that Clowney is going to be there to take at #5. If he's there you take him, but that's not what bhsman said (at first). He was debating the merits of taking a right tackle top 5. If Clowney is gone, that means someone skipped out on taking a quarterback or some rising prospect, which I would still look out before considering RT.
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bewbies posted:We're talking about the same guy who has yet to throw an interception in almost 300 attempts and is averaging 8 yards per carry right? I've seen every snap of his college career, many of his completions are easy throws to wide open receivers. He has awful accuracy, poor footwork, bad pocket presence, and fumbles a lot. Not a very strong arm either. Defenses have figured out how to deal with the read option so the bloom is off the rose a bit. The offense is set up for him to make predictable throws, which explains the lack of INTs, and he can scramble sure. He has a lot of developing to do. Good kid by all accounts and I wish him the best.
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vaginal culture posted:Not a very strong arm either. Ok, so we're definitely not talking about the same player. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIO6uhM9Wc&t=137s. See 2:10 and 4:50 for examples of the guy I'm talking about who by any reasonable measure has an NFL caliber arm. edit - actually the first was at 2:10 bewbies fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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SteelAngel2000 posted:Mariota has a loving canon Not even close. Its pretty weak, even when he can step into it and throw deep he has average velocity. One thing he excels at is making progressions, I could see him doing well on a team that could keep him protected, but I don't see him going to a situation like that as a rookie.
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The hell are you talking about? Mariota is like a Kaepernik clone. poo poo, in a year Mariota's arm might be stronger than Cutler's. I agree with bhsman about their being too much RT talent to jump on a tackle early if we're talking about any prospect other than Jake Matthews. He really seems to have the potential to be the best LT in the league three seasons from now.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:The hell are you talking about? Mariota is like a Kaepernik clone. poo poo, in a year Mariota's arm might be stronger than Cutler's. I want to see a throw-off between Cutler and Jamarcus
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I'm pretty confident that Jamarcus can still throw a cheeseburger into orbit, not that he ever would.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I'm pretty confident that Jamarcus can still throw a cheeseburger into orbit, not that he ever would. Wouldn't be the first thing Johnnie Lee Higgins couldn't catch in space.
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I'm really confused when people profile a quarterback as a "good backup." Honestly, what does that mean? I always saw backups as rookies, has-beens, or an interesting mix of raw tools, CFL vets, former first rounders, etc. Isn't calling someone a good backup quarterback prospect calling them a bad prospect?
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Nov 13, 2013 05:08
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bhsman posted:Won't disagree, but I just don't see the point in taking Matthews at #5 if Clowney is available. Clowney's not going to be available for Houston.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Isn't calling someone a good backup quarterback prospect calling them a bad prospect? I've usually read that as fair to ok prospect, but doesn't have the physical tools you'd like to build an offense around.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Clowney's not going to be available for Houston. Oh, odds are low, but part of it depends on whether Tampa gets a new coach/GM who wants "their guy" at QB and we see a start (assuming Houston stays at #5) along the lines of: -Bridgewater to Jacksonville -Mariota to Tampa Bay -Matthews to Atlanta -Hundley to Minnesota -Clowney to Houston Well then, everyone in the clown car. 
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bhsman posted:Oh, odds are low, but part of it depends on whether Tampa gets a new coach/GM who wants "their guy" at QB and we see a start (assuming Houston stays at #5) along the lines of: A trade out of the top 5 seems more likely at that point though (i.e. a team trading in for Clowney).
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Volkerball posted:Wouldn't be the first thing Johnnie Lee Higgins couldn't catch in space. I love this loving forum and everyone in it.
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Updated non-playoff draft order with full-season SoS. Giants plummet to #10.code:
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Is. Matthews that much better of a prospect than Joeckel or Fisher besides name?
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bhsman posted:Oh, odds are low, but part of it depends on whether Tampa gets a new coach/GM who wants "their guy" at QB and we see a start (assuming Houston stays at #5) along the lines of: This is really premature anyway, since I'm guessing Atlanta that will probably win some more games, while Houston and Tampa are still looking really bad. Plus, some team with a huge need for a guy like Clowney would probably offer some obscene picks to trade up to get him, which obviously screws with the order some more.
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b0ng posted:Is. Matthews that much better of a prospect than Joeckel or Fisher besides name? He's seen as an elite prospect that has a good chance to be better than Joeckel. He's got great anticipation and technique but lacks ideal arm length and there are some questions about whether he has the quickness to be a LT at the NFL level, though he gets off the line well. He's a very smart player that's been tested against SEC defenses. FO did a good write-up on him: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2013/futures-texas-am-ot-jake-matthews
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Doctor Candiru posted:Would Atlanta really pass on Clowney, assuming that's where they stay in the draft order? I can see Minnesota passing, because QB is a bigger need (I think they'd take Manziel before Hundley -- or, as a fan, at least I hope they would, because Hundley has never impressed me like Manziel has). Yeah I doubt the Falcons pass on Clowney for Matthews. DE is just as big a need as OT, and I'd rather take Clowney + 2nd rd OT prospect than Matthews + 2nd rd DE prospect.
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Doctor Candiru posted:Would Atlanta really pass on Clowney, assuming that's where they stay in the draft order? I can see Minnesota passing, because QB is a bigger need (I think they'd take Manziel before Hundley -- or, as a fan, at least I hope they would, because Hundley has never impressed me like Manziel has). I had Minnesota taking Hundley because I want Houston to get Manziel instead.  And yeah, Atlanta could just as easily take Clowney. The above was just an example of them prioritizing OT to protect Ryan and going with DE later.
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It's basically all but confirmed that Hundley is staying at UCLA. Adjust your big boards accordingly. I wouldn't take him that high anyway. He needs another year of polish.
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You're not drafting top five Houston. Jesus, take a breath and look at your drat schedule. Atlanta is a touch more likely but they'll likely grab another 2 wins as well.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:You're not drafting top five Houston. Jesus, take a breath and look at your drat schedule. Atlanta is a touch more likely but they'll likely grab another 2 wins as well. I'm not assuming they'll stay at 2 wins and drop lower than Jacksonville or Tampa, just making an assumption based on where and they and the chance that they'll stay around that.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:poo poo, in a year Mariota's arm might be stronger than Cutler's. Cutler has one of the strongest arms the league has ever seen. I mean it could get stronger but not THAT much stronger.
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Benne posted:It's basically all but confirmed that Hundley is staying at UCLA. Adjust your big boards accordingly.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:You're not drafting top five Houston. Jesus, take a breath and look at your drat schedule. Atlanta is a touch more likely but they'll likely grab another 2 wins as well. Raiders W Jaguars W Patriots L @ Jags L? @ Colts L Broncos L @ Titans W? I still feel like we have a shamefully decent shot at dropping one of the Jags games unless we have some kind of epiphany when it comes to what is supposed to happen in the second half. I can also see us lose our last 5 in a row if God really hates us. So worst case 4-12, best around 6-10? Yeah I guess that boots us from top 5. Like I said elsewhere, I'm just going to kick back and pretend it's 2005.
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Even with Locker out for the year, I'm not feeling particularly confident about that Titans game to close out the season. This is especially true if the team continues to struggle offensively in the second half.
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Quest For Glory II posted:That's the right call. He's still got work to do. Hundley Winston qb class is gonna own.
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True freshman but Myles Jack impressed the hell out of me on defense, much more than Barr. Turns out he can run the ball too. Dude is insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHPtoeF494 UCLA could be scary next year
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commy gun posted:Cutler has one of the strongest arms the league has ever seen. I mean it could get stronger but not THAT much stronger. I'm factoring in a bit of a drop off from Cutler due to age, wear, and Chicago O-lines. The Puppy Bowl fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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Wanted to share a nice resource for the amateur scout. http://draftbreakdown.com/ Essentially they collect all the relevant youtube film on a player so you don't have to. Also, in case anyone missed it being posted over the off season, http://www.first-pick.com/ . A fun little draft game that's easy to sign up for. Their player grades are questionable and the trades are outright ridiculous but its still pretty fun.
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I'm curious about what Lions fans are looking at for the draft at this point. In my (still young) experience, I would think priorities would go LBs/Secondary, OLine (we're doing well this year but traditionally this has been...poor), WR depth, RB, DLine. About accurate?
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I would think linebacker and especially secondary would be priorities for the Lions in the draft, they've got plenty of talent in the front four and their OL is actually very solid this year. WR depth could be shored up but honestly with Calvin Johnson constantly drawing triple coverage and still hauling 100 yards if not more per game, you don't need a whole lot of talent to get catches around the edges there. Bush was a great pickup for them, having a dude who can catch out of the backfield when Megatron's drawing all the DBs is huge for their offense. The Lions can really afford to go BPA as much as nearly any team in this offseason, they're not absolutely stacked or anything but there are very few obviously subpar units for them to address.
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I know this wide receiver class is considered pretty top heavy, but who would be the most consistent hands wise outside of the top guys. Carolina really needs someone with consistency and I'm curious who's got the best hands.
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Is Kevin Norwood considered top draft? He's always overlooked for some reason but he's the most consistent wide receiver you could ask for. Especially in big games.
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BlindSite posted:I know this wide receiver class is considered pretty top heavy, but who would be the most consistent hands wise outside of the top guys. Carolina really needs someone with consistency and I'm curious who's got the best hands. Proooobably Marquise Lee? I haven't watched a ton of college this year but it's my impression that there's not really a Deandre Hopkins-level hands of steel guy this year. This WR class seems to be all about jump ball guys with ridiculous catch ranges instead. But Carolina won't be in range to draft Lee unless they lose out, pretty much.
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BlindSite posted:I know this wide receiver class is considered pretty top heavy, but who would be the most consistent hands wise outside of the top guys. Carolina really needs someone with consistency and I'm curious who's got the best hands. Mike Evans seems to make a ton of circus catches with Manziel throwing to him, though Marquise Lee should be a safe bet as well.
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bhsman posted:Mike Evans seems to make a ton of circus catches with Manziel throwing to him, though Marquise Lee should be a safe bet as well. I may be off a bit, but watching TAMU, it seems that Evans does make a few good catches, but most of his yards come from catching the ball in space and then having the opposing team miss 14 tackles.
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swickles posted:I may be off a bit, but watching TAMU, it seems that Evans does make a few good catches, but most of his yards come from catching the ball in space and then having the opposing team miss 14 tackles. He does that, though it helps that he's gigantic and knows how to use it.
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