Eponymouse posted:

Wouldn't businesses benefit from universal health care since they wouldn't have to spend so much on providing health insurance?

Star Man posted:

Saw this on someone's desk while I was at work. Uuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh.

Mitchicon posted:

Uh, where do you work? I'm sure that violates some sort of workplace policy.

Mitchicon posted:

Uh, where do you work? I'm sure that violates some sort of workplace policy.

Star Man posted:

Saw this on someone's desk while I was at work. Uuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh.

Miltank posted:

the image broke

Miltank posted:

the image broke

HootTheOwl posted:

This would be more valid if the wars weren't over ten years long.
And if you look at the demographics of the military you'll see that millennials make up about 65% of the military. The troop surge was in 2007, assuming the demographics haven't changed since then, about 50% of that force was millennials. Lastly look at the break-down in the marines. it's a whopping 82% millennial!

pentyne posted:

On the subject of Millenials, what is with the conservative obsession to demean and insult that generation? I keep remembering some right wing blogger who when writing a rant against something or other mocked Millenials for worrying about the government spying on their "awkward boudoir fumblings" as if previous generations had some refined sophisticated method of sexing each other.

pentyne posted:

On the subject of Millenials, what is with the conservative obsession to demean and insult that generation? I keep remembering some right wing blogger who when writing a rant against something or other mocked Millenials for worrying about the government spying on their "awkward boudoir fumblings" as if previous generations had some refined sophisticated method of sexing each other.

Typical Pubbie posted:

I know generations are pretty much arbitrarily defined, but I thought the cut-off for Gen X was 82? Whatever the case, Gen X bore the brunt of Iraq and Afghanistan. But hey, a growing window of Millennials got maimed and killed for nothing, too!

pentyne posted:

On the subject of Millenials, what is with the conservative obsession to demean and insult that generation? I keep remembering some right wing blogger who when writing a rant against something or other mocked Millenials for worrying about the government spying on their "awkward boudoir fumblings" as if previous generations had some refined sophisticated method of sexing each other.

Star Man posted:

I'm a lazy rear end Millenial college-drop out that works for a cleaning company. Where I clean is a little place called Lockheed Martin Space Systems Center.

Though you'll see cubicles in office suites here with all kinds of Republican poo poo all over and the one next to it with hippy dippy liberal paraphernalia. This kind of thing just stuck out.

Star Man posted:

Saw this on someone's desk while I was at work. Uuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh.

Calico Heart posted:

Wipe your rear end with it when he is out then put it back on the desk. I guarantee he will not bring it in again.

anonumos posted:

pentyne posted:

On the subject of Millenials, what is with the conservative obsession to demean and insult that generation? I keep remembering some right wing blogger who when writing a rant against something or other mocked Millenials for worrying about the government spying on their "awkward boudoir fumblings" as if previous generations had some refined sophisticated method of sexing each other.

anonumos posted:

Mitchicon posted:

Make one of a really obscure president.

Walter posted:

Wipe your rear end with Rutherford B. Hayes or possibly James Garfield!

pentyne posted:

On the subject of Millenials, what is with the conservative obsession to demean and insult that generation? I keep remembering some right wing blogger who when writing a rant against something or other mocked Millenials for worrying about the government spying on their "awkward boudoir fumblings" as if previous generations had some refined sophisticated method of sexing each other.

Star Man posted:

I'm a lazy rear end Millenial college-drop out that works for a cleaning company. Where I clean is a little place called Lockheed Martin Space Systems Center.

Though you'll see cubicles in office suites here with all kinds of Republican poo poo all over and the one next to it with hippy dippy liberal paraphernalia. This kind of thing just stuck out.

pentyne posted:

On the subject of Millenials, what is with the conservative obsession to demean and insult that generation?

BiggerBoat posted:

Place I used to work had honest to God shooting targets. Not even making this up.

Jacksonville, Florida before anyone asks.

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On the Veteran's Day broadcast of the "Believer's Voice of Victory" program, Kenneth Copeland and David Barton cited a passage from the Book of Number to assert that soldiers should never suffer any guilt or PTSD after returning from battle because they are "esteemed and venerated" by God.

Reading from Numbers 32, Copeland said that soldiers are doing the work of God and, as such, "shall return and be guiltless before the Lord" meaning that they should never suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

"You listen to me," Copeland said, addressing the camera, "you get rid of that right now. You don't take drugs to get rid of it, it doesn't take psychology; that promise right there will get rid of it."

Barton wholeheartedly agreed, pointing out that many members of the "faith hall of fame" in the Bible "were warriors who took so many people out in battle," but did so in a just war in the name of God, proving that "when you do it God's way, not only are you guiltless for having done that, you're esteemed"

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"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes." Proverbs gives us two approaches and expects us to use wisdom in knowing when they should be applied.

How then should we answer the fools Copeland and Barton? While it is tempting to ignore them completely, I believe that would be a mistake. Had they merely proffered another laughably inept reading of the Bible, it would have hardly been worthy of notice. Throughout his career, Copeland has been accused of various heresies, most of which he created through his inept handling of Scripture. And though Barton is still, inexplicably, trusted by many conservative evangelicals, he has himself built his reputation on twisting and misrepresenting historical documents for ideological and propagandist purposes. They are, in other words, among the last people who could be relied on to intelligently interpret a text.

Yet many people will erroneously believe that Copeland and Barton speak as experts on the Bible and that their interpretation is the natural result of a literal or inerrant view of Scripture.

To those who are unclear on that point, let me express what I believe is the shared opinion of Biblical scholars, intelligent laymen, and just about anyone else who has ever bothered to read the Bible: Copeland and Barton's application of Numbers 32:21-22 to modern veterans suffering from PTSD is one of the most profoundly stupid interpretations ever uttered.

When those verses are read in the context of the chapter, and in the context of book of Numbers, and in the context of the Old Testament, and in the context of the entire Bible, it becomes almost impossible to imagine how anyone with an elementary school level of reading comprehension could have come up with such an interpretation.

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Their mishandling of Scripture is inexcusable, but what makes it unconscionable is they use God's Word to shame and berate veterans with PTSD. Barton and Copeland imply that PTSD is due to guilt over actions carried out in wartime that leads to self-condemnation. This is a profoundly ignorant view of both the causes of combat-induced PTSD and the motivations behind medical and psychological based treatment.

PTSD is psychological trauma that can change how the brain and mental processes function. While in combat, veterans are exposed to the stresses of hyper-violence while living in a near constant state of hyper-vigilance. As psychiatrist Jonathan Shay explains in Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character:

A human enemy strikes not only at the body but also at the most basic functions of the human mind. The Vietnamese enemy defeated the soldier's perception by concealment and his ability to understand what he saw by camouflage. The basic mental state of intention and will was attacked by ambush, deception, surprise, and anticipation . . . . The cumulative effect of prolonged attacks on mental function is to undermine the soldier's trust in his own perceptions.

On returning from combat, the veteran is no longer exposed to violence, yet the reflex for hyper-vigilance -- whether conscious or subconscious -- may remain intact and beyond the person's control. "Exposed to continuous threats of warfare," says Shay, "the body remains mobilized for battle indefinitely." Veterans suffering from PTSD can lose some of the authority over mental processes, such as perception and memory, which civilians take for granted.

Throughout most modern wars, from World War I to Vietnam, both the military and civilian worlds denied or downplayed the existence of this form of psychological trauma. It wasn't until the post-Vietnam era that the medical community began to recognize that experiences of PTSD sufferers were not only real, but also that the causes were likely rooted in genes and brain chemistry, rather than a defect in the veteran's character.

For Copeland and Barton to resurrect this "blame the victim" trope and coat it with the veneer of Biblical warrant is Satanic. Christians need to counter this demonic, gospel-destroying message by letting the men and women who are suffering from combat related PTSD know what the Bible really says about hope, healing, and deliverance through Christ Jesus.

BiggerBoat posted:

Place I used to work had honest to God shooting targets. Not even making this up.

Jacksonville, Florida before anyone asks.

The Ape of Naples posted:

I read this as God shooting targets.
Makes me want to make and sell Jesus shooting targets just to see the reaction. Obviously the stigmata would be worth the highest points.

ReindeerF posted:

Imagine waking up one day and finding out that the Southern Baptist Convention is more progressive than you on an issue.