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ahmeni
May 1, 2005

It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.
Grimey Drawer

pagancow posted:

also gently caress that i don't need to histogram i know my equipment


light everything within 3-5 stops anyway

is it true that if youre going to poat process something then generally you want most of your histogram to be on the right but not clipped?

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pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

if you're shooting some lovely log gamma on 8-bpc acquisition yeah sure

your colorist will hate you

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
we will anyhow

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
if you shoot well we'll hate you for not shooting the same way as the guy who shot poorly

Cubemario
Apr 3, 2009
is there even such a thing as "right colour"? have you ever had a colouring job where you said "yes, that's perfect"?

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

I mean, there's linear color space

that's scientifically "right"

too bad monitors are terrible at displaying it

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
you can have bad color, that's for sure

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

pagancow posted:

also the guys explanation of "this doesn't fit within rec.709" is kind of a misnomer because if the customer at home has the 10,000,000:1 contrast ratio TV and it's actually jacked up, then all kinds sphincter ripping, retinal tearing, colors be coming out of "rec.709"

ok so are colourspaces


like, in reality poo poo can be super bright and contrasty, i mean if it cant exist in the physical realm then it cant be in a colour space right


and this sec790 thing, records a portion of what it can physically see. if colours are more full on than what it can record then its essentially clipped, at maximum saturation or whatever


woah

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

What i'm saying is that rec.709 says what wavelength the light should look like when it shoots out the display.

if your tv's displaying all kinds of hosed up then welp.

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie


Okay I just got around to watching this and this is the proest loving click ever

well except that it's in webm, but content is pro

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
vid 1 owns too although is more basic.


i hope monty makes 100 of these and then compiles them together into a thing it could be called the video codex

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

pagancow posted:

Okay I just got around to watching this and this is the proest loving click ever

well except that it's in webm, but content is pro

surprisingly well done, not awkward nerd, neck fully shaved, 10/10

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

Making learning fun!
monty is a pro sperg, which means he's not really spergy at all

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
he did have to rerecord each take because when he was doing it in the summer without an ac unit he kept sweating through his shirt

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

erre day im renderin

My chain for this project is like this:

AVCHD from FS700

Premiere Pro

Film Convert

Davinci Resolve

Make 2 deliverables, one with Film grain for high bitrate delivery, and one without for Youtube.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
NOW THAT IS HOW YOU ENCODE A PORNO

Cubemario
Apr 3, 2009
apparently porn is always on the cutting edge of video innovations

ahmeni
May 1, 2005

It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.
Grimey Drawer
holy poo poo i looked at the specs for the fs700 and god drat thats some poo poo
4k at 120fps or 2k at 240fps in fuckin raw is some crazy poo poo

Cubemario
Apr 3, 2009
which makes it all the more puzzling why that guy i talked about even owns one, he really doesn't need it, especially when he doesn't know how to use it for his business

could've paid 2 grand for a camera instead and had saved money. i think the only reason people pay lots of money for technology they don't understand is because of penis size

YVCPOS truths

ahmeni
May 1, 2005

It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.
Grimey Drawer
people will just spend a dumb amount of money on stupid poo poo
i had to yell at some rear end in a top hat dad because he couldnt figure out how to make his 580ex flash work on his 5d3 so instead of turning it off or bouncing it off the ceiling he would either point it directly at his lovely kid on stage 20 feet away or point it directly backwards and repeatedly blinding those of us behind him

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
we have an fs700 and i'm fond of it. looks better than our ~20k cameras that definitely do not shoot in 120/240fps.

i dont really know a goddamn thing about cameras though. definitely something i need to catch up on. all i know is i just colored a show where they used the fs700 and it's slomo stuff looked way better than our XD cams.

DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Nov 14, 2013

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope
i want to shoot something at 2k 240fps.

i don't kno, like a kid eating his boogers or something

sinekumquat
Jun 12, 2005

the most dangerous philosopher in the west
College Slice

USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:

i hope monty makes 100 of these and then compiles them together into a thing it could be called the video codex

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:

we have an fs700 and i'm fond of it. looks better than our ~20k cameras that definitely do not shoot in 120/240fps.

i dont really know a goddamn thing about cameras though. definitely something i need to catch up on. all i know is i just colored a show where they used the fs700 and it's slomo stuff looked way better than our XD cams.

If you shoot AVCHD you'll need to learn how to master the black gamma setting if you're moving indoor/outdoor alot, The rest of it you don't really need to touch much.

If you shoot RAW then welp.

pm me if you need expert opinion about camera.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
so would using an FS700 and recording to AVCHD be better for you than shooting on the FS700 but recording to a Black Magic Hyperdeck Shuttle? they do 10-bit 'uncompressed' but I don't know if it is true 10-bit or the fake kind you mentioned earlier.

i mean obviously the shuttle will give you the most to work with, but is it a nightmare to transcode and work with that poo poo?

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder

pagancow posted:

If you shoot AVCHD you'll need to learn how to master the black gamma setting if you're moving indoor/outdoor alot, The rest of it you don't really need to touch much.

If you shoot RAW then welp.

pm me if you need expert opinion about camera.

thanks pagancow i will take you up on that when i have brainspace

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

FS700 SDI out is 8-bpc only

All SDI is 10-bit word, but the data you are recieving is 8-bpc.

You need the sony raw recorder or some box from convergant design that will take raw, debayer it, and shove it into some 10-bit stream if you want to do 10-bpc

AVCHD and taking the 8-bpc over SDI is very little difference unless your filming a rainstorm at f8 or someting ungdodly sharp and changing full screen.

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

lololo your digital cinema camera is a piece of poo poo

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Wheany posted:

i want to shoot something at 2k 240fps.

i don't kno, like a kid eating his boogers or something

a fat rear end farting and the ensuing slow motion butt waves

it'll be like your posts

Cubemario
Apr 3, 2009

Moist von Lipwig posted:

a fat rear end farting and the ensuing slow motion butt waves

it'll be like your posts

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

pagancow posted:

FS700 SDI out is 8-bpc only

All SDI is 10-bit word, but the data you are recieving is 8-bpc.


what about the liar camera makers saying their hdmi outs are uncompressed, theres no chance in hell of that being true, so what the hell are you even recording with one of those Shuttle/Atmos Ninja things? technically 8 bit but encoded in a massive 10 bit format?

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

HDMI is usually 4:2:2 8-bpc uncompressed. Some devices can output higher bit-depths and RGB data.

people running FCP7 like to encode into higher bitdepth formats becuase FCP is dumb and will only work in the color space as your clips.

It's the reason why Premiere Pro tries to do everything at 32-bpc internally even to 8-bpc clips. You could blow out a clip with a levels adjustment and still bring it back with a curves adjustment. High end color grading softwares like Davinci Resolve, Speedgrade, and Scratch work this way.

~its designer centric~

pagancow fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Nov 15, 2013

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

woah i had to do this after having a bluescreen in Premiere Pro CC

http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/kb/missing-sequence-presets.html

poo poo was scary because all my backup projects weren't opening.

#2spooky

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


so is premiere good now then?

and has anything replaced final cut server at the same sort of price point yet?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
is premiere actually what people use


like the movie incpetion. was that done on premiere

Cubemario
Apr 3, 2009
i like premiere, other than the consolidating audio crap it does which is retarded

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

Moist von Lipwig posted:

a fat rear end farting and the ensuing slow motion butt waves

it'll be like your posts

you flatter me

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

pagancow posted:

woah i had to do this after having a bluescreen in Premiere Pro CC

http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/kb/missing-sequence-presets.html

poo poo was scary because all my backup projects weren't opening.

#2spooky

dont you fellas use green screens more often now

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
the backscreen should be clear with a projector projecting rapidly changing colours and then the computer can work out what is the background and what is not, in a way that would mean a person could wear anyone colour and it would work

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Cubemario
Apr 3, 2009
so guys is this how i handle a live show?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqGhjqyFfrw

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