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The Japanese blood type thing is really unusual because it isn't rooted in traditional culture, blood types weren't even discovered until the 20th century.
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Phlegmish posted:Most of the countries make sense to me, but some of the East Asian and Eastern European ones do seem off - probably because they exhibit a mix of values, so a lot depends on operationalization and the way the different indicators were weighted. Japan should definitely not be where they are on the secular-rational scale, with their belief in poo poo like the importance of blood type. But they also pride themselves on secular/irreligous values... Japan's weird.
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Nov 17, 2013 07:14
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Yeah I'd say the Japanese blood type personality stuff is fairly neutral when it comes to "secular/rational" vs TRADITION at least. And it is technically secular  .
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Nov 17, 2013 07:22
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It's just a fad that's gained too much of a cultural hold, probably largely because it has some pseudo-scientific overtones. It's still mostly the domain of gossiping schoolgirls (and housewives who never grew out of their schoolgirl attitude), however.PrinceRandom posted:Japan's weird. No it's not, it's as logical/illogical stupid/great as any culture anywhere, and people's dismissive handwaving away an entire culture of 130 million people, the media and traditional culture of which is some of the most consumed in the world, as 'weird' and inherently beyond understand is stupid and insulting, and unfortunately far too common. Edit: If you want to point fingers at unscientific parts of Japanese culture you'd be better off looking at traditional beliefs in Chinese medicine, etc. Also I'm not saying I agree with Japan's place in the chart. LimburgLimbo fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Nov 17, 2013 |
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Nov 17, 2013 07:27
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Haha yeah, I live in Korea and my first thought seeing that chart is that SK should be much lower on the Y-axis; I'd argue even lower than the US.
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Nov 17, 2013 07:53
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Why is Ireland not listed as being part of Catholic Europe?
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Nov 17, 2013 07:58
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Hedera Helix posted:Why is Ireland not listed as being part of Catholic Europe? The ability to speak English makes them value self-expression more.
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Nov 17, 2013 08:13
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I know that most Japanese are non-religious, but what about Shinto? How seriously do they take Shinto over there? I guess it's more of a spirituality thing.
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Nov 17, 2013 08:16
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Donkwich posted:I know that most Japanese are non-religious, but what about Shinto? How seriously do they take Shinto over there? I guess it's more of a spirituality thing. Shinto is part of their culture, more than a religion, for most people, I'd say. There are some actual believers, but they are few in number.
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Nov 17, 2013 08:30
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Blood type was a big thing like phrenology. It is an early 20th/late 19th century pseudo-science and the Japanese latched onto it hardcore during the Meiji. It is a form of scientific racism. Edit: Holy gently caress, I was wrong. It is a form of scientific racism that the Japanese latched onto hardcore in the 1970s. That is even worse.
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Nov 17, 2013 08:40
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I always thought that the Japanese blood type obsession came from the fact that they were homogenous and needed a way to feel like a special snowflake. I read somewhere that the blood type distribution is actually more diverse in Japan than it is in other countries, I'll need to see if I can find that source again. Also Japan isn't exactly the most progressive place for race relations. There are still some bad comedy acts in Japan that use blackface and stereotypes as the joke.
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Nov 17, 2013 08:49
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Donkwich posted:I know that most Japanese are non-religious, but what about Shinto? How seriously do they take Shinto over there? I guess it's more of a spirituality thing. There was a BBC series run awhile ago called Around the world in 80 faiths, and from their trips into Japan, it seems like some rituals continue but there really isn't much devotion as much as a social event. It's on youtube if you wanna watch.
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Nov 17, 2013 08:55
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quote:Germany's peculiar history (after causing and losing two catastrophic World Wars Only Germans still think they were the sole cause of WW1. Everyone else has realised it was a loving mess created by every single participant. Phlegmish posted:Most of the countries make sense to me, but some of the East Asian and Eastern European ones do seem off - probably because they exhibit a mix of values, so a lot depends on operationalization and the way the different indicators were weighted. Japan should definitely not be where they are on the secular-rational scale, with their belief in poo poo like the importance of blood type. That's just the Japanese version of astrology.
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Nov 17, 2013 09:12
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Bloodnose posted:The ability to speak English makes them value self-expression more.
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Nov 17, 2013 09:34
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Donkwich posted:Also Japan isn't exactly the most progressive place for race relations. There are still some bad comedy acts in Japan that use blackface and stereotypes as the joke. Ah but they don't have a history of slavery so it's not really racist 
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Nov 17, 2013 09:36
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To bring things back to maps, here's a classic. In real life: 1. Kenya is larger than France 2. Zimbabwe is larger than Germany 3. Cameroon is larger than Sweden 4. Cote D Ivoire is larger than Poland 5. The Central African Republic is larger than Ukraine 6. Guinea-Bissau is larger than Moldova
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Nov 17, 2013 09:58
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edit: this was a dumb post
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Nov 17, 2013 10:09
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Japan seems pretty cut and dry conservative to me?  Sure it's maybe not quite the same as western Europe / USA conservatism but to claim it's totally different is ridiculous. The culture is (fairly) xenophobic, conformist, pro-corporation and enforces lovely gender roles. They're not religious in the sense of Christianity / Islam because monotheism never caught on there, not because they're rational supermen.
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Nov 17, 2013 10:33
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I really don't get those who actually take the Mercator-is-racist argument seriously. I seriously doubt that the reason the First World doesn't care about Africa is because it looks smaller on a map, and switching to the Gall-Peters isn't going to change that. I know SJW is a cliche, but taking 'cartographic imperialism' seriously seems a bit of a stretch. e: Also I really don't need to see that West Wing clip again. I'd rather move to Greenland, the most important country in the world. Donkwich fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Nov 17, 2013 |
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Nov 17, 2013 10:34
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Yeah, if you made the proportions realistic Europe probably wouldn't be large enough to make anything out.
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Nov 17, 2013 10:47
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So instead Africa shouldn't be large enough to make anything out?
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Nov 17, 2013 10:48
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Or you could use one of the many compromise projections that are actually meant to view the whole world with some accuracy and not a map designed for maritime navigation.
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Nov 17, 2013 10:53
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edit: gently caress this is another bad post
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Nov 17, 2013 10:58
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Shbobdb posted:Blood type was a big thing like phrenology. It is an early 20th/late 19th century pseudo-science and the Japanese latched onto it hardcore during the Meiji. It is a form of scientific racism. Riso posted:That's just the Japanese version of astrology.
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Nov 17, 2013 11:37
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I remember how when I was a boy, I read somewhere that while Canada is larger than the US, it's only by a comparatively small margin. I then took a look at the nearest map (which happened to be Mercator) and was very confused, because Canada is like way bigger than the States, it's right there on the map!
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Nov 17, 2013 12:44
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Donkwich posted:I think I posted this map in the D&D pictures thread before this thread was created, so it's probably more appropriate here. This image appears to be broken for me. 
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Nov 17, 2013 14:00
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Hedera Helix posted:Why is Ireland not listed as being part of Catholic Europe? I also like how Ethiopia is 'Islamic' and borderline South Asian, not African. 
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Fuschia tude posted:I also like how Ethiopia is 'Islamic' and borderline South Asian, not African.
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Nov 17, 2013 15:50
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, Poland and Cyprus are in South Asia, it's a pretty inclusive group. It makes sense, Poland wouldn't fit into the Catholic Europe, occupied by such zealous nations as France and the Czech Republic.
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cheerfullydrab posted:In real life: Why is this so important? Kazakhstan is larger than Switzerland so therefore...? I wish other projections were in vogue too but the size of a country isn't useful for anything beyond comparing sizes of countries which is an irrelevant metric for most things that matter.
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Russia is the most important country in the world!!
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DrSunshine posted:Russia is the most important country in the world!! Actually we should all bow to the incredible grandness of the Pacific Ocean.
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Anosmoman posted:Why is this so important? Kazakhstan is larger than Switzerland so therefore...? I wish other projections were in vogue too but the size of a country isn't useful for anything beyond comparing sizes of countries which is an irrelevant metric for most things that matter. Its political because Mercator projection is super distorted. The farther north/South you go from the equator, the bigger it is, which in turn makes europe and unites states look a lot bigger than what they actually are. Which in turn makes people belive their country much larger than it actually is, American/European/Russian exepcionalism, etc etc. Mercator is still useful, but its kinda lovely for world projections. Australia (actual size) Vs Greenland (Actual size) 
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Well, it's hardly white people's fault that the North America and Europe are further away from the equator than other continents. Mercator is distorting and not to be used as the sole tool in education, but it's hardly biased in the way many people tend to insinuate.
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ElMaligno posted:people believe their country much larger than it actually is =/= American/European/Russian exepcionalism, etc etc.
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I hate that West Wing clip and the whole bs grandstanding of Arno Peters. However, if you think the Mercator is fully dead and buried you are wrong. People still do like the projection and I do believe it informs people's opinions about the size of countries. I'm not calling it racist or part of any kind of conspiracy, but its pernicious popularity is not a good thing. Also all the countries on that list I posted of "--- is larger than ----" are of countries that are rather close in area, but don't seem at all on a Mercator map. It's much harder to make out Guinea-Bissau than Moldova. It wasn't just obvious and meaningless statements such as "The Atlantic Ocean is actually larger than Monaco". edit: I do think centering the map on the Florence Meridian makes sense, in a "pretty maps" sort of way. Teriyaki Hairpiece fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Nov 17, 2013 |
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Riso posted:Only Germans still think they were the sole cause of WW1. Everyone else has realised it was a loving mess created by every single participant. None of the big powers are blameless victims but no, the german government was quite obviously pushing for war, to the point that they shoved the Kaiser off onto a vacation because they feared he might listen to the Tsar and Poincaré's pleas for peace.
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They also invaded a neutral country, terrorized its population and burned down its historical buildings for no good reason. They were assholes in WWI, it's just that it pales in comparison to WWII. Hedera Helix posted:Why is Ireland not listed as being part of Catholic Europe? It's interesting to me that people automatically ask this question but not, say, why Britain isn't part of Protestant Europe. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Nov 17, 2013 |
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Phlegmish posted:It's interesting to me that people automatically ask this question but not, say, why Britain isn't part of Protestant Europe.
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thecolorpurple posted:None of the big powers are blameless victims but no, the german government was quite obviously pushing for war, to the point that they shoved the Kaiser off onto a vacation because they feared he might listen to the Tsar and Poincaré's pleas for peace. Yes, that is completely different from the British politicians wanting to fight Germany and only looking for a convenient excuse. There was no real reason for Britain to join, the Belgian guarantee was practically all made up afterwards to look better. At least the French where honest in their gently caress Germany approach. quote:Anglicanism is basically Catholicism without the Pope, so it doesn't really belong. While Anglicans kept the trappings, the philosophy behind is quite protestant.
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