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An oscar nomination submission is really just a submission. There are barely any prerequisites to submit yourself either. It's not a nomination yet, those will be announced in a month or two.
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Cardboard Box A posted:http://variety.com/2013/film/awards/oscars-19-films-submit-for-feature-animation-oscar-1200798376/ Is it just me, or is that an incredibly weak field? I'm guessing Monsters University will win.
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Nov 7, 2013 03:36
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Silver2195 posted:Is it just me, or is that an incredibly weak field? I'm guessing Monsters University will win. Don't be so sure, The Wind Rises is (probably) Miyazaki's final film and is a non-genre historical piece, so the old white men at the oscars may decide to send it Ghibli's way instead.
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Nov 7, 2013 03:51
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KaneTW posted:An oscar nomination submission is really just a submission. There are barely any prerequisites to submit yourself either. It's not a nomination yet, those will be announced in a month or two. Yeah a bunch of anime movies get submitted each year. Those movies funded by the Happy Science cult as propaganda are also submitted, so it doesn't really mean anything at this point.
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Nov 7, 2013 04:02
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Letters to Momo, Monsters U and The Wind Rises are the safe bets there. Miyazaki might pull in the gold watch Oscar because he is essentially an old white (enough) man making a kind of wistful film that old white men on the nominating board would like. Only thing that keeps it from being a lock would be the grumbling about romanticizing the guy who made the Zero.
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Nov 7, 2013 04:36
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MadRhetoric posted:Letters to Momo, Monsters U and The Wind Rises are the safe bets there. Miyazaki might pull in the gold watch Oscar because he is essentially an old white (enough) man making a kind of wistful film that old white men on the nominating board would like. Only thing that keeps it from being a lock would be the grumbling about romanticizing the guy who made the Zero. Should send them your post from a way back with the Faust interpretation. That might turn a few heads.
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Nov 7, 2013 14:45
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Mordaedil posted:Should send them your post from a way back with the Faust interpretation. While Faust may have gotten more than a few nods from the series, I'm not sure if Rebellion is as strong in that vein. Maybe the old American men will like yuribait?
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Nov 7, 2013 16:30
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Madoka may have been popular within its target audience of otaku, but I think its general appeal is rather limited. You need at least some familiarity with the magical girl genre to follow what it. Plus, I doubt that Rebellion is a stand-alone product either; you'll probably need to have followed the TV series or the first two movies to know the characters and underlying plot. As a result I seriously doubt it will do well. It's too much of a niche product and its directed to Madoka's existing fanbase.
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Nov 7, 2013 16:51
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Madoka was popular with a lot of demos, not just smelly otaku. Granted, that was on the back of actually advertising the drat thing (and Fukushima), but hey.
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Nov 7, 2013 23:45
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I just finished this for the first time and then cried in front of my friends I was watching it with. Don't think I want to see anything madoka related for the rest of my life.
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Nov 9, 2013 11:26
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gobbledygoat posted:I just finished this for the first time and then cried in front of my friends I was watching it with. Don't think I want to see anything madoka related for the rest of my life. Sounds like it's working as intended.
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Nov 9, 2013 11:31
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gobbledygoat posted:I just finished this for the first time and then cried in front of my friends I was watching it with. Don't think I want to see anything madoka related for the rest of my life. See ya again when the third movie comes out on Bluray! Speaking of, the third film just broke a billion yen at the box office. jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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Nov 9, 2013 11:54
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gobbledygoat posted:I just finished this for the first time and then cried in front of my friends I was watching it with. Don't think I want to see anything madoka related for the rest of my life. Were your friends crying or trying not to cry?
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Nov 9, 2013 17:54
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gobbledygoat posted:I just finished this for the first time and then cried in front of my friends I was watching it with. Don't think I want to see anything madoka related for the rest of my life. Please watch Clannad and give a trip report. I can wait.
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Nov 9, 2013 23:05
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Manly anime tears.
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Nov 10, 2013 00:20
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MadRhetoric posted:Were your friends crying or trying not to cry? No they were totally stoic it was so embarrassing. I've seen clanned before but there was something about this series' smothering despair that made me really sad. The Devil Tesla posted:Manly anime tears. No these were definitely girly anime tears.
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Nov 10, 2013 00:59
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gobbledygoat posted:No they were totally stoic it was so embarrassing. I've seen clanned before but there was something about this series' smothering despair that made me really sad. Smothering despair tends to do that to people, yeah.  I'd bet cash money they were either stoic because they were numb or they held it in until they were in a private place. They did like it, right?
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Nov 10, 2013 04:07
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If anyone lives in the Boston area and wants to see Rebellion, the Brattle Threatre added another showing (Dec 8) with tickets on sale right now. The other two shows were sold out by the time I heard about them, so I jumped on this. It would be great to meet some of you there.
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Nov 11, 2013 21:41
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So, since it's all over but the crying with that tumblr spoiler recap, I have some thoughts on what bit of lit Rebellion's working off of. Here be vague spoilers. First off, the 4channers calling Homuraku Homicifer weren't paying attention in high school English. I can relate, because Paradise Lost is godawful boring. Lucifer's greatest sin is pride and he degrades in form and power over the course of the epic. He wants God to love him more than anything, then gets swayed by Earth after toiling in Hell. Homuhomu goes the exact opposite direction. Her greatest sin is lust and she holds no pride in herself. She hates herself without Madoka and is willing to die (unsaved) to protect her. Agency wise, she increases in stature: from hanger on Megahomu, to Matrix buster series!Homu, to the lynchpin of the Incubator plan, to the last, worst Witch, to an existence beyond Good, Evil and God(oka) herself. She wants Madoka so badly because she realizes, probably when coobie breaks down the whole "thanks for telling us about Witches, sucker" thing, that she is the greatest threat to Madoka's safety. Like I said back when we got the picture of Homu  ing, she's the cause of, and solution to, all of the show's problems. In order to fix this, she makes one last felix culpa, sinning boldly to take on her combined sin with Madoka. It's her version of chucking Sayaka's soul gem off the bridge and saving meguca at the same time.Come hell or high water, Homura will have her wish granted, because the alternative (unbeknownst to Sayaka) would be the dissolution of everything she and Madoka worked for. Going back to Faust, if the end of the series is Madoka as Gretchen/God rigging the bet for herself, Rebellion Story is Homura as Faust telling both God and Mephistopheles NO YOU SHUT THE gently caress UP DAD and making her own game. With Blackjack. And hookers. And Maragrete, uncorrupted and able to bail Faust out if poo poo goes bad again (thus, the "we may become enemies" line). And a cranky Wagner in Sayaka to keep Faust honest.
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Nov 11, 2013 21:57
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MadRhetoric posted:Rebellion Story is Homura as Faust telling both God and Mephistopheles NO YOU SHUT THE gently caress UP DAD and making her own game. Well that's the first thing that actually made me want to watch Rebellion, so thanks for that! 
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Nov 11, 2013 22:15
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Well that's the first thing that actually made me want to watch Rebellion, so thanks for that! Haven't you ever heard of the saying: "give the people what they want in a way they don't expect"? From where I'm sitting, this movie is a textbook example of that.
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Nov 11, 2013 22:22
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More movie leaks about. A .gif is floating about showing Homura grabbing Madoka and taking control. It's so well done that I am officially back in hype mode. I can't wait for the 8th.
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Nov 13, 2013 04:41
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Some pictures from the manga adaptation of the movie that Hanokage's doing. That group pose...  Warning: Side ads may be not safe for work. Cake Attack posted:You might want to point out that link is fairly NSFW. Oh wow I wasn't even paying attention to that, thanks. Rehosted the images on imgur. jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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Nov 13, 2013 07:29
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You might want to point out that link is fairly 
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Nov 13, 2013 08:09
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I managed to get to a cinema that was screening the movie while I was in Osaka. I liked it as much as I was frustrated by it. Spent the first half of the movie bewildered and dreading when the other shoe will drop. When it does, really go off the rail and doesn't let up till near the end. And then some... Overall I enjoyed the movie, I was however surprised that there were no movie merchandise for sale at the theatre store. Either there weren't any, unlikely, or they were all sold out already.
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Nov 13, 2013 16:25
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PerrineClostermann posted:More movie leaks about. Actually, you're seeing new .gifs because the full camrip made it out of 2ch a few days ago. It's on Nyaa--go with the .mkv version, because the first version is terribly encoded.
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Nov 14, 2013 20:26
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I'll definitely hold off on watching it until the 8th; now that I'm back in hype mode, I want to experience the visuals on the big screen first.
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Nov 14, 2013 21:15
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The transformation sequence is pretty much THE most surreal transformations I've ever seen.
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Nov 15, 2013 19:27
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veekie posted:The transformation sequence is pretty much THE most surreal transformations I've ever seen. Sayaka is such a goofball. It's adorable that she unabashedly pulls poo poo like that all the time. Breakdancing, seriously? The music for each transformation is all remixes of the original OST, which was cool to me.
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Nov 15, 2013 19:35
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Shaft had definitely found some good weed this time.
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Nov 15, 2013 21:46
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Here's a comparison of the screen size that the camrip that's floating around has to the actual full screen. If you have a ticket to see the film but are wondering about giving in to see the camrip, this might be some good discouragement. In other news: The film just passed 1 million tickets sold in Japan. jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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Nov 16, 2013 17:46
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jonjonaug posted:Here's a comparison of the screen size that the camrip that's floating around has to the actual full screen. If you have a ticket to see the film but are wondering about giving in to see the camrip, this might be some good discouragement. As someone who has a ticket and has seen the camrip 3 full times now, I think that's encouragement. The low quality of the camrip ensures that the theatrical release will still have something to offer. I can't wait to see the left fourth of the screen, hahaha.
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Nov 16, 2013 18:55
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I have to say the Cake Song was the best sign that everything was seriously hosed up.
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Nov 16, 2013 20:24
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Holy gently caress I had my nails dug into my palms through the entire length of the movie, and had to get up and walk around for a few minutes at some points. Especially that bus trip. If the original series was a commentary on the cruelties of reality, Movie 3 is a commentary on the danger of dreams and supplanting reality. I knew immediately, from the cake song and the over-the-top SHAFTiness and the false peace, that everyone was in some kind of false reality. And for the longest time, I was assuming that Madoka was the one who had crafted this pocket dimension so to stave off the sheer crushing loneliness of being a god. So when the reveal came that Homura was technically the master of this false world, and the stakes of failure were raised to Kyuubey seizing control of god, then Homura's trying to go out in a blaze of glory was something beautiful to behold. Aand then Homura turns evil. That was a surprise, but I guess some of the signs were there. I'd been spoilt that people were calling Homura the devil, but I was hoping that it was some kind of misunderstanding. Story-wise it felt tacked on and like a sequel hook, thematically it was perfectly fitting. Especially because it takes the story in a new direction, one of the biggest themes early on was stasis: a false peace where nothing bad can occur is stultifying. Yes, there will be more Madoka. No, it will not be a happy place where people can be redeemed and souls washed clean by a god. I mean, they made me feel sympathetic to Kyuubey. Another way I could describe this movie is that it's a more coherent version of Evangelion 3.0
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Nov 17, 2013 02:22
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Phobophilia posted:
Well, that's not a very high bar.
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Nov 17, 2013 02:30
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Phobophilia posted:
Consider the wording of Homura's wish and you might see what's going on. Her wish was FINALLY fulfilled. She met Madoka for the first time(in a new continuity from the one she made the wish in) and is now strong enough to protect her, even against her will. I notice that she didn't actually destroy the Law of Cycles though. She merely separated Madoka the person from Madoka the god, and created her barrier to encompass the mortal world, not wherever Madokami was taking fallen magical girls to.
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Nov 17, 2013 22:12
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Phobophilia posted:Holy gently caress I had my nails dug into my palms through the entire length of the movie, and had to get up and walk around for a few minutes at some points. Especially that bus trip. Big movie spoilers. I'm kind of divided on it story-wise - on one hand, it pretty much necessitates a sequel to tie up, which I'm not too thrilled about (unless it's really good). On the other, I really feel it makes perfect sense. Consider that Homura, both through the series, and through the movie previously, put her life into trying to protect Madoka, in many different ways. Most obviously stated in the movie with her Kyuubey conversation where she refuses to do anything that could let the incubators get at Godoka, even if it means sacrificing herself and not meeting Madoka in MG heaven. Then, poo poo happens, and the MGs win out, with Madoka at the helm, and she finally gets to meet her again. Homura would probably be incredibly emotionally unstable at that point. And finally, Madoka drops the bombshell that while she truly thinks she's doing the right thing, the only thing she can do to find peace perhaps...she still misses all her friends and family, and isn't sure if she could be strong enough to leave them again. It's not surprising that after so many years of looping, and all that recently happened, finding out that Madoka isn't completely happy playing god(dess) would kind of make her loopy, and her deciding to try and give Madoka what she wants (her friends and family), even if against Madoka's will and her own morality, is not too far-fetched I'd say. The way she kind of breaks when she sees Godoka about to awake in her illusion, realizing that she completely failed to make a world where Madoka can feel at ease and be happy despite all her efforts and sacrifices, makes it a much more solid development IMO. Of course, the ending scenes are a bit too bizarre to interpret so easily, but hey.
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Homura really went too far. Yes, baseline Madoka wanted to stay with her friends and family, but Homura used that as an excuse to make a universe where Madoka would belong to her and her alone. Madoka's family was rewritten overseas, and Homura deliberately alienated her from making other friends. It's a deliberate irony that Homura introduced herelf by making out her classmates as doing nothing more than bothering Madoka. You have to remember that Madoka's final wish required an iron resolve fueled by the sacrifice of her four best friends in order to bring out her divine grace and ascend to goodhood. Without that, she's little more than a really nice person. Which is what Homura desired, even in the original series, she always sought to lock Madoka within a gilded cage where she wouldn't be exposed to outside influences. Without Sayaka, Mami, Kyouko, and especially her mother, Madoka is missing fundamental parts of herself. And this is reflected in Homura, she herself will never be happy with this semi-Madoka. There's a reason one of the final shots was of Homura sitting on a cliff, leaning over a precipice, on a Madoka who isn't there, staring at half a moon. And it really is just half a moon, you can see the stars through the missing half. See, at this point, I disagree with Madrhetoric about Homura not being Lucifer. She really is guilty of the sin of Pride, look at her relationships with others, she thinks herself utterly superior of Kyouko and Sayaka and Mami, and makes decisions in lieu of their input. Yes, Homura defines herself around what Madoka thinks of her, but Homura assumes that her desires should trump those of Madoka. There are also shades of the temptation of Adam, the first two-thirds of the movie taught Homura several very important things. It is possible to dive into solipsism and rewrite new realities. It is also possible to control a god. It's no wonder that someone who has seen suffering at the hands of an uncaring universe for years should be tempted to try to grasp some control for herself right at the end, even a the expense of those around her.
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I think there's no doubt that what she's doing is wrong, but it might be justified. She just wanted her wish to come true, and Madoka's own wish made that impossible. Though I wonder, why did Sayaka remember at the end. Did Homura do it or did Madoka?
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What in the holy hell did I just watch? (major movie spoilers obviously) Like, I barely even know where to start. I guess my immediate impression is that it really puts the end of the series in a new light. It was ostensibly a good ending as it fixed the screwed up hope/despair cycle and allowed Madoka, at the cost of her existence, to provide solace to fallen magical girls when previously there was none. But if you think about it, this was never a good ending for Homura, in fact you could argue that was the worst result from her end. Throughout the original series there was never any indication that Homura was acting out of a sense of altruism. Everything she did was done in line with a single-minded obsessive devotion to one person, a person she lost seemingly for good. Even if she seemed fine with the result at the end of the series, it seems from how the movie played out that, whether subconsciously or not, she totally wasn't. I think the most poignant moment regarding this is when Homura was breaking down in front of Madoka and she said that she had started to doubt whether her memories of Madoka were even real at all. That must have left quite a toll on her. So now we have Kyubey mucking things about. Incidentally, I think my favorite part of the movie was the idea that Kyubey is even MORE of a magnificent bastard than we were led to believe. You do NOT give this little conniving weasel an inch, not even a single millimeter, because he will find a way to use it to his advantage. Anywho, Kyubey screws things up, essentially forces Homura into a constant negative feedback loop of despair and sadness, so when she gets saved (love, LOVE the idea of fallen magical girls being able to embrace and use their witch barriers, I hope that gets explored in later works) she's essentially on the absolute brink of despair when Madoka, her most important person shows up and... well, raw emotion takes over. She wasn't happy with how things were and it turns out when you are completely unhinged and unable to act rationally you end up doing very questionable things. I do not think Homura was justified here and this was definitely a case where an otherwise noble goal was twisted and perverted out of intense uncontrolled emotion and desperation. Which when you think about it was exactly the major theme of the original series from the start. Homura is quite literally a fallen angel, not that they made that particular fact subtle in any way, but still. A far more succinct summary of what went down: "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Frankly I loved it and would totally watch it again in the theater if at all possible (not looking good for me...). The first half was me sitting quietly in bewilderment while the second half was just an endless stream of yelling at the screen and hitting my chair. This was also some of the most striking visual work I've seen out of Inu Curry's collaboration with Shaft. Homura vs Mami might be one of my favorite fight scenes in anime ever. Super Jay Mann fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 18, 2013 |
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