url posted:I was thinking of tackling: 台北縣三峽鎮竹崙里紫微南路97號. It sure doesn't LOOK easy. Were you going for something like... 台北縣三峽鎮竹崙里紫微南路97號 ? hailthefish fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Nov 15, 2013 |
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:/ @ awful.app http://i.imgur.com/4ivqV9r.jpg url fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Nov 15, 2013 |
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hailthefish posted:It sure doesn't LOOK easy. Is there are handy way to convert that kind of gibberish?
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# ? Nov 15, 2013 13:53 |
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The app needs to use the proper codepage (utf-8), most devs won't bother.
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# ? Nov 15, 2013 13:56 |
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TetsuoTW posted:Ruifeng. Huh. I distinctly remember seeing "Ruei [something]" on signs around the area... That and Siaogang I love the haphazard romanization Taiwan's got going on. "Hey Taiwanese buddy, how would you spell your name in Roman letters?" "Tsang.. no... Zang... no... Tsung...Cung?* Argh, can't you read Chinese characters anyway?" *these were all actual proposals for the character 宗
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hitension posted:Huh. I distinctly remember seeing "Ruei [something]" on signs around the area... (And it was probably Rueifong, because Tongyong "we want to use Hanyu Pinyin but then again those nasty commies invented it so we're making arbitrary changes to it so we can pretend" Pinyin. )
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Atlas Hugged posted:Is there are handy way to convert that kind of gibberish? MDBG has one, but the results weren't as good as those given by http://www.mandarintools.com/email.html
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# ? Nov 15, 2013 21:44 |
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Sneaky commie bastards
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# ? Nov 16, 2013 08:06 |
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I will never stop being amazed by the cantaloupe-sized balls on that one guy that drives around Taipei with huge PRC flags flying off his vehicle and blaring the PRC anthem (I think)
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# ? Nov 16, 2013 09:32 |
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TetsuoTW posted:I will never stop being amazed by the cantaloupe-sized balls on that one guy that drives around Taipei with huge PRC flags flying off his vehicle and blaring the PRC anthem (I think) I thought there was a team, and they were sponsored.
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# ? Nov 16, 2013 09:46 |
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I know that people in Xiamen send balloons over to Taiwan filled with weird propaganda so that wouldn't surprise me.
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TetsuoTW posted:Oh I have no doubt, I just have no time for that bullshit. It's Hanyu Pinyin or GTFO as far as I'm concerned. The Ministry of Education so decreed in 2009, it's just that the government never has the balls to actually commit, and pussied out by adding a "but you guys at the local level just do whatever" clause, which is just some pandering bullshit. As it stands I all but refuse to do any romanization in anything other than HYPY for clients and tell them that whatever other horseshit they might have in mind can go gently caress itself and why, because otherwise I'd spend more time trying to hunt down and consult whatever retarded hick gargled out their placename or business name of choice than actually translating anything. Man, why the massive hardon for pinyin? The way I see it is that HYPY is only readable to people who actually have studied HYPY anyway. Nobody can read those Zs,Qs, and Xs. I mean "Xie" and "Hsieh" are probably both going to be pronounced equally wrong by an English speaker who doesn't know Chinese... Just out of curiosity, do you write Gaoxiong and Taizhong and such too? I do kinda feel that Taiwan should pick one system and stick with it, but I'm not convinced that HYPY is all that. It's also missing certain sounds (think I already complained about this in the Chinese language thread so I'll leave it at that) Went to 平溪 today to set off a lantern, saw the place name listed as Pingxi, Pingsi, and Pinghsi
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Magna Kaser posted:I know that people in Xiamen send balloons over to Taiwan filled with weird propaganda so that wouldn't surprise me. Post this propaganda. edit: for pinyin discussion, you will pry 'Hong Kong' from my cold, dead hands. I hope I never live to see it called 'Xiang Gang' on an English map.
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hitension posted:Man, why the massive hardon for pinyin? The way I see it is that HYPY is only readable to people who actually have studied HYPY anyway. Nobody can read those Zs,Qs, and Xs. I mean "Xie" and "Hsieh" are probably both going to be pronounced equally wrong by an English speaker who doesn't know Chinese... Also HYPY is the standard in Chinese programs around the world, in international academia, and in international organizations. Taiwan's just a loving baby about it. quote:Just out of curiosity, do you write Gaoxiong and Taizhong and such too? e: hitension posted:Went to 平溪 today to set off a lantern, saw the place name listed as Pingxi, Pingsi, and Pinghsi sub supau fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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hitension posted:Man, why the massive hardon for pinyin? The way I see it is that HYPY is only readable to people who actually have studied HYPY anyway. Nobody can read those Zs,Qs, and Xs. I mean "Xie" and "Hsieh" are probably both going to be pronounced equally wrong by an English speaker who doesn't know Chinese... It's almost like Hanyu Pinyin wasn't designed with English learners of Chinese in mind and was designed to be used in a purely Chinese context for pronouncing Chinese.... For nose: http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/loyalty-to-the-party-balloon-lands-in-taiwan.html Yeah it's Chinasmack but it was the first thing I that came up on Google. I'd heard about this from my very first Chinese professor (Taiwanese). She said they come over pretty commonly where she lived over there. Also Taiwan sends poo poo back. Seems to have been going on since the split. VVVVVVVVVVVVV Had anyone stuck with gwoyeu romatzyh the TONES WOULD BE IN THE WORDS~~ Ailumao fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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whatever happens, this: fei1 zhu3 liu2 is as ugly as all gently caress and needs to stop.
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Magna Kaser posted:For nose: http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/loyalty-to-the-party-balloon-lands-in-taiwan.html Interesting that it just says "loyalty to the Party, loyalty to the people." I could pick that up and go "yep that Chinese Nationalist Party sure is a great party," then get back to my capitalism.
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So my life has kind of turned into a disaster! I accidentally overstayed my visa...AGAIN, because I'm an idiot. I've got everything I need for a new one (unless they deny me because I overstayed again). BUT, my passport expires in 4 months and the website says it has to be valid for 6. My flight leaves tomorrow, plus AIT only does the normal, 3-week-wait passport replacement. SO THAT SUCKS. Here's what I'm planning: I'll go to the TECO on Monday morning and try to get a visa. If that fails I'll have to stay until Tuesday, when I've got an appointment already booked at the consulate to get an emergency, 3 month passport. That'll probably push me to being stuck in HK until Wednesday. Hopefully I can extend my hotel stay or find a new, cheaper one and rearrange my return flight (booked for Monday, which probably isn't happening). God only knows if I'll still have a job when I get back. Work has been pretty forgiving but that'll only stretch so far. Either way because I misread a date I'm in a world of poo poo! Sorry for the rant. Also, caberham, I was going to PM you to let you know I was swinging back through but I guess your inbox is full?
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url posted:whatever happens, this: Well, printed stuff should use the tone marks, obviously. Also, the other pinyin systems are pretty awful and hanyu is the easiest to deal with, at least for Mandarin Chinese.
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# ? Nov 17, 2013 06:09 |
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When I'm making flashcards in Anki, I use numerals to designate tone because gently caress if I'm going to figure out how to input accents on my phone. You get used to reading it like that after awhile.
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Atlas Hugged posted:When I'm making flashcards in Anki, I use numerals to designate tone because gently caress if I'm going to figure out how to input accents on my phone. You get used to reading it like that after awhile. In Anki I actually got used to that wacky color coding. For an environment like Anki it works pretty well, though obviously typing/reading actual things with every character a different color is pretty ridiculous. If you use a Mac though, getting the accented letters isn't hard. Just option+whatever gets you the things. Is it even possible to type the zhuyin zimu tone markers? I actually liked those less than the Pinyin ones because they invariably come at the end of a word which made me "notice" it less. Pinyin was alright because in any book they'll be in the middle, but those color-coded words/characters really helped my pronunciation because I started to associate a tone with a character instead of with a phoneticized form of the character. And I wasn't being sarcastic, for all it's flaws (incredibly complicated, high learning curve, etc..) gwoyeu romatzyh was really cool in that all the tones were included in different spellings. Yale does something similar, but is foreigner-made and has lots of weirdery for that. I could all day about different Chinese phoneticization schemes or 简化 because of all those silly papers and research I did in grad school but I'll stop junkin' up the Taiwan thread with my mainland prescriptivist ideas. Ailumao fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Nov 17, 2013 |
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At this point Hanyu Pinyin is the best choice if only because that's what the billion people on the mainland use. Is Zhuyin really that useful? Pinyin treats Roman characters phonetically, so the two systems seem basically equally valid. Pinyin definitely has broader international appeal, though. Regardless, they really ought to make something standardized and get rid of bullshit like "Kaohsiung". I'm moving to New Taipei next week. Does anyone know anything about finding good apartments near Xindian/新店? Also, I have a paperless scooter down in Tainan. Can I have it shipped north without the title?
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Times when knowing Zhuyin is useful: -Typing on a computer besides your own -Typing on a cell phone -It's also marginally faster since characters are 2-3 taps long vs. 2-5 for pinyins -Letting Taiwanese people type on your cell phone/computer/write the pronunciation for a character -Sometimes it appears in signs and texts and TV subtitles (stuff like ㄍ一ㄥ can even appear in magazines, there's an anti-sexual harassment poster on the MRT that uses the "ei~" one, etc) -Being able to smugly shut down condescending Taiwanese people who are all like "Oh, I'm sure you couldn't possibly know Zhuyin!" Personally it also helps me to distance the Chinese sounds from the English ones in my mind. Maybe I'm just dumb or I didn't have as awesome teachers as you guys, but the fact that the "u" in "xu" and "chu" are different vowels was lost to me up until the point I learned Zhuyin after studying Chinese for about 3 years already. hitension fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Nov 17, 2013 |
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Fun times moon slayer glad you could meet us hongers. Good luck with your job. Visit us on a longer proper vacation!
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hitension posted:-It's also marginally faster since characters are 2-3 taps long vs. 2-5 for pinyins Like at most I'll type two symbols, maybe three for a five symbol character. But I mean for a common phrase like 不知道, 'bzd' is all you need. Only a really obscure, single-character word would need the whole thing spelled out. On another note. Taipei, you'd best get ready because I'm gonna be in you starting Friday night. I've got a seven day business trip from the 22nd to the 29th. I'm not sure what my schedule will be like yet, but I should have some time for some goon fun. Are you guys still doing a weekly poker night or something like that?
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# ? Nov 18, 2013 12:18 |
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What's the policy right now on staying after an ARC expires. Is there a 30 day window before you have to get your rear end out of the country?
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Atlas Hugged posted:What's the policy right now on staying after an ARC expires. Is there a 30 day window before you have to get your rear end out of the country? 0 days, but you can apply for a 3 month extension if you're American. Costs 1000nt. I'm currently at the end of that extension. You can't extend an extension though, as I just tried.
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Can't you just pay a fine and you may risk the ability to come back? I remember some other goon(s?) doing that and having to even write an apology letter, but he/she/they got it all sorted out. I got my renewal "postcard" thing that the NIA sends every year when you're 30-days out, and it says right on there: "If you have overstayed your ARC for less than 30 days, and the ground of your original residency applications remains unchanged, you may reapply blah blah after being penalized." "If you have overstayed your ARC, you shall be subject to a fine between NT$2,000 and NT$10,000." I mean, I'm not sure what you're planning Haraksha/Atlas Hugged, but from what I've heard it's not like they show up knocking at your door the day after your ARC expires. It depends on if you're planning to continue living here or not, I suppose. The card makes multiple references to "Subparagraph 4 of Article 85 of the Immigration Act" so if you google that poo poo it may become clearer. Possibly.
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Well, my ARC doesn't even expire for like a loving year so I'm not planning anything right now. I basically have the choice of either sticking around for another year and getting the APRC or saying gently caress it and moving on with my life to something different. I was mostly just thinking about the logistics of finishing my work week and getting on a plane the same day.
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POCKET CHOMP posted:Can't you just pay a fine and you may risk the ability to come back? I remember some other goon(s?) doing that and having to even write an apology letter, but he/she/they got it all sorted out. It's something like 1-10 days overstay is 2,000nt, 11-30 is 4k, under 3 months is something or another and 6 months is 10k nt. I have a paper I picked up from the visa agency here with more details, but I can't be bothered to find it at the moment. The lady at the counter told me pretty much "If you're just going to be here a month past your ARC expiration, it's cheaper just to overstay than to do a visa run to Hong Kong." So, my officially suggested course of action was to overstay my visa. American green card stuff blows.
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To my knowledge, the main issues with overstaying are fines, the possibility it may hurt your chances of coming back in(so far, doesn't really seem like an issue), and mainly it resets your timer for being eligible for an APRC(must be 5 years of valid ARC holding, unbroken).
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Not to completely change the topic, but it's been on my mind. I'm almost eligible for an APRC, but how exactly do you "prove" that you've been here for 5 years? Obviously the government should know, but I'm assuming I would need to submit some kind of document that proved it or something. They take away your old ARC when you get a new one, so it's not like you can show them those. The only other thing I can think of would be the work permits, which would be not-awesome because my second school never gave me copies of them (and at the time, I never thought to ask for them). I now live far away and I don't even know if those schools exist anymore, so I'm not entirely sure if I'll be able to track them down. Am I hosed?
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Yeah I straight-up overstayed by like six weeks at one stage, and all it took was a NT$10k fine on the way out for my visa run to Macau. No black mark, no talking to, not even a letter of apology, just rolling up to the TECO there and saying "hey here's my poo poo" and explaining what happened.POCKET CHOMP posted:Not to completely change the topic, but it's been on my mind. I'm almost eligible for an APRC, but how exactly do you "prove" that you've been here for 5 years?
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POCKET CHOMP posted:Not to completely change the topic, but it's been on my mind. I'm almost eligible for an APRC, but how exactly do you "prove" that you've been here for 5 years? Obviously the government should know, but I'm assuming I would need to submit some kind of document that proved it or something. They take away your old ARC when you get a new one, so it's not like you can show them those. The only other thing I can think of would be the work permits, which would be not-awesome because my second school never gave me copies of them (and at the time, I never thought to ask for them). I now live far away and I don't even know if those schools exist anymore, so I'm not entirely sure if I'll be able to track them down.
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Cool, yeah I figured the government must have some way to do it, and even if I needed copies of the work permits, I hoped I could apply for copies of it from the labor place that issues them. They probably keep records better than some random small buxiban, anyhow. My ARC definitely has kept the same number since the very beginning, so I guess that's a good sign. I'm not going to apply for it right away anyhow, since I've just extended my ARC by two more years, so I figure I've got time. I look forward to the writeup, duckfarts.
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Pretty sure to get the APRC you need papers from all places you worked at for the past 5 years saying that you worked there from 'date' to 'date'. Hess was pretty good at giving those out when requested.
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POCKET CHOMP posted:Cool, yeah I figured the government must have some way to do it, and even if I needed copies of the work permits, I hoped I could apply for copies of it from the labor place that issues them. They probably keep records better than some random small buxiban, anyhow. Yeah you need 5 years of work permits, tax forms from the last year showing you made enough money, a police background check, and... that's it. If you haven't left the country for an extended period of time during your stay anyway.
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# ? Nov 18, 2013 16:48 |
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Okay, so APRC stuff: the related website is here
Paperwork you'll need:
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Some incredibly sexy-but-not-too-good-at-planning goon wrote up a guide on what to do if you overstay your ARC. Also I'm not trapped in Hong Kong yaaaaaay. Bloodnose and caberham remain awesome people.
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duckfarts posted:awesome post Thanks for this. I guess if you need to apply within 2 years of eligibility, I shouldn't put it off forever. I have a few more questions about the process, not necessarily directed at you specifically but anyone who might be knowledgable. I poked around that website (which apparently I already had in my bookmarks?) and it seems like it still says that you need to get the police check from your home country translated and notarized and stuff. Of course, I don't doubt you since you just went through the process, I'm just wondering if I'm missing the "You don't need it if you haven't ever left the country for more than 3 months" exemption thing, or if their website really is that out of date. I'm assuming the latter, which is just sad, but it does say it was updated this year so maybe I just don't see it! So basically it seems like I just need to get copies of my work permits from my second school. I guess they never gave it to me because they handled the ARC application process for me. Hope they still have documents from 2009-2011, but I'm not too hopeful. I'll send them a nice registered letter and hope for a response. Now, this may seem beyond stupid, but is there a good resource online (preferably from a Taiwanese government site, not just some random forumosa page or whatever) with a layout of how the APRC exactly works and what its benefits are? Like, I get that it's "permanent", but I assume you'd need to get it renewed every once in a while or something? I always understood that it meant that you could stay in Taiwan even if you weren't constantly employed, something which I think would be great if I wanted to really search for a good long-term job. But I don't know, like do you still need to get work permits when you hold an APRC or could you (in theory) walk into any Taiwanese company and be like "hire me"? It seems weird that on that page you linked there isn't a good summary of just what an APRC is and what it entails, but maybe I'm missing it, again because the layout and design of the site seems to be from a bygone era of the internet. Sorry for all the dumb questions, but I guess I've got it on my mind these days.
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