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ReindeerF posted:I have no idea where this goes, but BIG SURPRISE: The WSJ was mocking him in today's issue, mentioning when he went "RAWR, CARRIED INTEREST BAD! TAX IT MORE!" and then when they asked him about his thoughts on the continued favorable treatment of it for tax purposes and the fact that as a partner he'll be getting some sweet carried interest and he went "No comment."
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FlamingLiberal posted:Didn't that campaign set a record for most money spent on the fewest delegates? I swear they spent like $5 million per delegate (and had like 20 total).
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I don't think he'd have a problem as long as it was white cheddar. Blaine Capatch has an amazing fake ad for them that goes along the lines of, "And now, new Cracker Barrel for Blacks! (please no blacks at the White Cracker Barrel)."
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FlamingLiberal posted:Didn't that campaign set a record for most money spent on the fewest delegates? I swear they spent like $5 million per delegate (and had like 20 total). I'm sure there are many who spent a lot and got zero delegates so their cost per delegate was higher. Did Rick Perry win anything in 2012?
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Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker described his ideal Republican presidential candidate...quote:"I think it's got to be an outsider," he said in the interview. "I think both the presidential and the vice presidential nominee should either be a former or current governor, people who have done successful things in their states, who have taken on big reforms, who are ready to move America forward." Also his recall election campaign is being investigated.
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deoju posted:Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker described his ideal Republican presidential candidate... McDonnell 2012, GiftGate be damned! Actually that idea gives me shivers, if he can get giftgate behind him McDonnell is a pretty ideal Republican nominee.
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deoju posted:Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker described his ideal Republican presidential candidate... You forgot Mike Pence!
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deoju posted:Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker described his ideal Republican presidential candidate... You know who else fits that criteria? Rick Scott. He should be free of the hindrances of being an active governor at that time, and he self funds his campaigns so he isn't beholden to special interests he's not a part of. This is of course assuming that we're using the definition of successful things that means things conservatives like and not things that actually work well for everyone.
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Joementum posted:I feel like there's a third Republican Governor who is likely to run for President in 2016. Let's see, Chris Christie, Scott Walker, and uhm... hmmmm... uhmmm.... The EPA?
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Joementum posted:I feel like there's a third Republican Governor who is likely to run for President in 2016. Let's see, Chris Christie, Scott Walker, and uhm... hmmmm... uhmmm.... Joementum, you truly are my hero because of posts like this.
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Joementum posted:I feel like there's a third Republican Governor who is likely to run for President in 2016. Let's see, Chris Christie, Scott Walker, and uhm... hmmmm... uhmmm.... An Excellent Post.
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StarMagician posted:This is EXACTLY what tea party members are saying about Ted Cruz. Yes, except Elizabeth Warren isn't insulting or undermining her colleagues in the Senate--or upending party strategy by staging a 20+ hour faux-filibuster on the Senate floor. So I'd say the two are not in fact equal--in fact, I'd say that Taibbi is right about Elizabeth Warren and the Tea Party is wrong about Ted Cruz. A shocking concept, I know.
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Speaking of Huntsman, two nominal points of 2016 interest about Huntsman from Double Down that I haven't seen discussed: he decided several times that he was leaving the Republican Party only to be talked back by his campaign staff, at one point coming within hours of declaring for the Americans Elect nomination and at another point seeking Mike Bloomberg's blessing to run as an indy, and in addition to the Romney tax stuff, Huntsman and his posse were the source for nearly all of the serious dirt that got leaked to Politico and friends on the other Republican candidates, both true and untrue. In other words he's even more of a nonstarter in the party moving forward for a future bid than we were assuming from the outside.
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Huh, i always heard republicans say that Huntsman was Salt Lake's candidate who ran to make Romney look more conservative.
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The X-man cometh posted:Huh, i always heard republicans say that Huntsman was Salt Lake's candidate who ran to make Romney look more conservative. No, most of his policy stances were equally conservative to Romney's. He was just a younger, not-quite-as-filthy-rich guy who didn't openly sneer at poors and intellectuals in quite the same way. In actual policy terms his platform was just as nuts, with a few rounded corners like acknowledging that global warming exists (he is simply opposed to doing anything about it). But the base wanted someone who would smear poo poo in libs' and minorities faces, not a former ambassador who speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese. Huntsman was by far the most dangerous person on that stage in 2011, because he knew the touches that could sell insane conservative policy to even strong leftists and get them to think he was a centrist while he was doing it. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Nov 18, 2013 |
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jeffersonlives posted:Speaking of Huntsman, two nominal points of 2016 interest about Huntsman from Double Down that I haven't seen discussed: he decided several times that he was leaving the Republican Party only to be talked back by his campaign staff, at one point coming within hours of declaring for the Americans Elect nomination and at another point seeking Mike Bloomberg's blessing to run as an indy, and in addition to the Romney tax stuff, Huntsman and his posse were the source for nearly all of the serious dirt that got leaked to Politico and friends on the other Republican candidates, both true and untrue. In other words he's even more of a nonstarter in the party moving forward for a future bid than we were assuming from the outside. I haven't read Double Down yet, so is Huntsman specifically the source of the rumors and dirt, or Huntsman's staff? Does the book indicate it was rogue staff or staff pretty much acting on behalf of Huntsman? It's not uncommon for staff to be dicks and carry grudges long after a campaign is over but it is pretty unusual for a candidate to do it.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I haven't read Double Down yet, so is Huntsman specifically the source of the rumors and dirt, or Huntsman's staff? Does the book indicate it was rogue staff or staff pretty much acting on behalf of Huntsman? Mostly staff but approved and on behalf of the candidate, the book generally portrays Huntsman as a cowardly operator unwilling to confront anything or anyone personally but perfectly willing to stab everyone in the back.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I haven't read Double Down yet, so is Huntsman specifically the source of the rumors and dirt, or Huntsman's staff? Does the book indicate it was rogue staff or staff pretty much acting on behalf of Huntsman? Well, in the case of Romney's tax returns it was reportedly John Huntsman Sr, who has a long-standing grudge over something-or-other. A little bit of searching suggests he's grown a bit of a conscience in his old age and has realized that Romney is an amoral flipflopper who will do basically anything to enrichen himself. quote:SALT LAKE CITY — Jon M. Huntsman Sr. — billionaire industrialist, father of a presidential hopeful, four-time cancer survivor — has no patience for the Scrooges of the world. Even the philanthropist club of billionaires started by Mr. Huntsman’s friend Warren E. Buffett that is trying to enlist the world’s richest to give away half their wealth seems tight-fisted to him. quote:Mr. Huntsman, a longtime Republican stalwart, had plenty to say, in the wide-ranging interview, about politics and the field of presidential candidates, notably Mitt Romney. Republican primary voters, Mr. Huntsman said, are ignoring the best and most qualified candidate, namely his son, Jon M. Huntsman Jr., a former Utah governor. Huntsman Sr has denied that he was the one who released Romney's tax returns, but as an elder of the church he would have audited him at some point, so he's one of a narrow circle that has access, plus Huntsman Sr has a specific grudge with scrooges like Romney. (as an aside, note the things that make his son "moderate" are civil unions and reforming liquor laws - he's not the sneering plutocrat the GOP wanted, but he's not exactly the stuff of progressive dreams) Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Nov 18, 2013 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:Well, in the case of Romney's tax returns it was reportedly John Huntsman Sr, who has a long-standing grudge over something-or-other. A little bit of searching suggests he's grown a bit of a conscience in his old age and has realized that Romney is an amoral flipflopper who will do basically anything to enrichen himself. Huntsman Jr. was considered the starry-eyed moderate of the group because he believed in science.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Huntsman Jr. was considered the starry-eyed moderate of the group because he believed in science. He believed in climate change, and also believed that the current US government response to it constituted a "reign of terror".
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Man, as if the press needed another reason to like Jon Huntsman, he was also apparently their clickbait hookup! Maybe this adds some more context on the amount of words written about Jon Huntsman 2012 vs. the actual level of voter interest for Jon Huntsman 2012.
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BrotherAdso posted:McDonnell 2012, GiftGate be damned! He will have been irrelevant for 3 years by the time the campaign really gets going, and his last moment will have been the Star Scientific scandal. Also, I don't know if you've heard the man talk, but he's going to stick out in the debates about as well as Tim Pawlenty if Christie, Cruz, and a Herman Cain comedy option are out there yukking it up. Sure, you could say the same for Walker's personality, but he's been a conservative hero in action, picking a fight with unions. McDonnell did nothing unique. He got one-upped on abortion by a number of other governors and his economic record is dependent on the federal government, which is always going to be a liability for Virginia Republicans trying to go national (NoVA is basically the state's only true economic engine now that coal prices are collapsing).
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Paul MaudDib posted:No, most of his policy stances were equally conservative to Romney's. He was just a younger, not-quite-as-filthy-rich guy who didn't openly sneer at poors and intellectuals in quite the same way. In actual policy terms his platform was just as nuts, with a few rounded corners like acknowledging that global warming exists (he is simply opposed to doing anything about it). Huntsman was "the most dangerous person" in the same way Rudy Giuliani was in 2007. Giuliani was the strongest Republican candidate in head to head polls against Democrats and there was even a time when he was leading in polls of Republican primary voters (which Huntsman can never claim). In reality, both of them wouldn't have been anything special in the general election, because a economically conservative/socially liberal Republican isn't some sort of electoral panacea. Many Beltway insider Friedman-types think that such candidates would be unbeatable, because they themselves are rich and socially liberal and they assume that other people share their values. As for the Double Down stuff, I'd take it with a pretty serious grain of salt, given how much of the book's content comes from loyal Romneyites, who are of course quite eager to paint Huntsman as unscrupulous, evil and so on. Just as an example, the gives the reader a Romney's-eye view of Huntsman's treacherous 2006 endorsement of McCain, while the Huntsman viewpoint doesn't come out as strongly. Granted, the worst stuff comes from people who actually worked under him, but I'd say more than anything it gives off the impression of someone who is lazy and standoffish by presidential candidate standards, rather than of a sleazebag. dilbertschalter fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Nov 19, 2013 |
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http://www.texastribune.org/2013/11/19/brief-texas-political-news-nov-19-2013/ Looks like Mr. Smarty Pants is getting everyone excited down in Texas. quote:The reinvention of Perry as presidential candidate goes beyond the decision to sport new eyeglasses I'm intrigued. quote:He is turning into Cruz’s big brother: It’s the same family, but Perry wants to be the one you trust with the car keys. Uh, yeah, given those choices I'd rather just crash the car myself. quote:"Perry’s late arrival," Tilove wrote, "was the only glitch in an otherwise flawless occasion that demonstrated why a Perry presidential campaign, in just the right light, still seems plausible Jonathan Tilove might be mis-remembering the 2012 primaries a bit.
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Sir Tonk posted:Jonathan Tilove might be mis-remembering the 2012 primaries a bit. "In just the right light" i.e. all of them turned off.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Perry might be ok if he's not spaced out on painkillers. You have a very broad definition of the word OK.
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I don't think Perry's capable of working on the national stage - thank all appropriate gods. But he and Cruz both drat well better run, because I want to guarantee that the massive might of the Perry Machine is turned on Rafael 'Eduardo' Cruz. Jumping the queue to beat David Dewhurst, the most boring man in Texas and one of Perry's less favorite, is one thing and gets you cast into the outer darkness, but Cruz seems to be pretty fine with the climate there. Engaging Perry in a primary, unless he does the Ron Paul 2012 thing and becomes a wingnut lieutenant (and I don't think Cruz lieutenants for anybody), is a whole other story. And will be glorious.
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Rick legitimately cannot handle a race where he's not the major frontrunner/basically unopposed. He hasn't had to work to be governor here in ages, his machine is built around "REMEMBER I'M RICK PERRY AND I'M GOVERNOR WHY CHANGE GOVERNORS WHEN I'M GOVERNOR? GOD!" He legitimately has no clue what to do if there's anyone ahead of him in a race, let alone multiple people and he's pushed to the fringe.
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Sir Tonk posted:Jonathan Tilove might be mis-remembering the 2012 primaries a bit. In a hypothetical world where Perry's in the race sooner, he has longer to season and either doesn't make his big mistake(s) in a debate or make them earlier in the summer where it's less of a thing. And if he had been in 9000 debates already, missing one for his back issues (assuming he cites "schedule conflict" instead of "high on painkillers") is more feasible. I mean I think the guy's literally one of the evilest people in America, but I don't think you can totally write him off based on one meltdown when he was on painkillers.
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 Toxxing myself for Kshama Sawant Lenin lived. Lenin lives. Lenin will live.
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Enjoy posted:
Toxxing for her to do what? Run in 16?
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