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hubris.height posted:yeah it was the most enjoyable part of the last dune novel ever written©. the whole genetic breeding program and its thousand+ year effects was some of the best parts of the series, especially because the first book and second book were basically sand planet psychic children: the books. computers were always banned in the dune setting. computers were around, albeit in the form of filling whole rooms, when Herbert wrote the first Dune in 1965. contrast with asimov who wrote the Foundation books in like the mid-40s
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:contrast with asimov who wrote the Foundation books in like the mid-40s fair enough, however, the first dune book doesn't readlike it has any idea what the butlerian jihad was. like he fleshed it out and figured it out more toward the 60s in children of dune. it seems like only as the series went on and time passed that he decided that it was a war against robots. he never expounds on it, or implies any details about it in the first or second books to my recollection, merely mentions that these were things that happened.
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Nov 20, 2013 18:36
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hubris.height posted:fair enough, however, the first dune book doesn't readlike it has any idea what the butlerian jihad was. like he fleshed it out and figured it out more toward the 60s in children of dune. it seems like only as the series went on and time passed that he decided that it was a war against robots. he never expounds on it, or implies any details about it in the first or second books to my recollection, merely mentions that these were things that happened.
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i stand corrected. while reading the book i never really was struck by the idea of terminator esque robots being behind the jihad.
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hubris.height posted:i stand corrected. while reading the book i never really was struck by the idea of terminator esque robots being behind the jihad. that was kinda dumb bet so was everything else in the prequels
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The Butlerian Jihad and any mention of it exist for one reason, to explain the need for mentats. Every book has a throwaway line about it, along with how lasguns and personal shields don't mix which is why they fight with swords.
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hubris.height posted:i saw a broken Shai-Hulud bought a sweet still suit then i bought a thumper
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hubris.height posted:i stand corrected. while reading the book i never really was struck by the idea of terminator esque robots being behind the jihad. i don't think you're that corrected. the butlerian jihad was always about the war on "thinking machines" but i don't think frank ever said anything specific about literal killbots walking around. that was all brian herbert's trip. everyone should really read through god emperor though because that's really where herbert's thesis behind dune takes off. the first four books are a really interesting deconstruction (lol) of the hero myth and its implications in how we choose our leaders, culminating in leto ii's literal creation of a humanity with no need or desire for Great Men(tm). the last two books don't really expand on those ideas in any interesting way.
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also you get to find out leto ii had a giant fake worm dong made but the ladies didn't like it much
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLbzW79CB6w
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how come people sleeping in hypersleep capsules dont slowly suffocate from their own fart gas
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I assume they use active ventilation of some kind space living in the real world has the same sort of problems; if there isn't a fan blowing on a sleeping person then their exhaled co2 will collect in a cloud around their mouth and suffocate them
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on the same neil tyson podcast where they talked about gravity he asked his astronaut guest whether it was possible to use farting for propulsion in zero gravity and he said it did not work very well
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Monkeyseesaw posted:everyone should really read through god emperor though because that's really where herbert's thesis behind dune takes off. really this.
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astronaut adventures
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they should get the guy who did aeon flux to whip up some weird dune poo poo
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Monkeyseesaw posted:also you get to find out leto ii had a giant fake worm dong made but the ladies didn't like it much plz explain i thought he was just a face sticking out of a giant wormbody
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:plz explain he considers having one made because everyone asks if he has one
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c PoI s: piss PIIISSSSS piissssssss...
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Enter Char posted:he considers having one made because everyone asks if he has one I've never felt bad about my decision to stop after book 2, should have stopped after book 1
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TOOT BOOT posted:I've never felt bad about my decision to stop after book 2, should have stopped after book 1 dune is one of the best sci-fi series of all time you cretin.
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SmokaDustbowl posted:they should get the guy who did aeon flux to whip up some weird dune poo poo
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Improbable Lobster posted:dune is one of the best sci-fi series of all time you cretin. it really does take a nose dive after the first book. the second two are better than the last 3 but it doesn't mean they are good
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Nov 21, 2013 01:46
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never read dune. works for me
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i read a dune by dune guy's son. it was god awful
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Amethyst posted:it really does take a nose dive after the first book. the second two are better than the last 3 but it doesn't mean they are good yeah really it gets too much into cloney ghola poo poo or whatever
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reading the first dune novel and then stopping is perfectly legit would that more sf and fantasy novels were that standalone these days
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i put off reading the first dune way too long, and when i finally finished it i was mad i hadnt read it earlier
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Heresiarch posted:reading the first dune novel and then stopping is perfectly legit true
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BANME.sh posted:i put off reading the first dune way too long, and when i finally finished it i was mad i hadnt read it earlier same but i would encourage people to keep reading after the first book. i think the ghoula and genetics was some of the more interesting aspects of the novels and that's definitely what becomes the primary focus, especially at book 4 which i think is the climax of the whole thing never read a brian herbert book btw
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Heresiarch posted:reading the first dune novel and then stopping is perfectly legit but then authors would run out of money and ideas (mostly money)
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Nov 21, 2013 02:36
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its never too soon to stop reading dune sequels
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The way I pictured the Butlerian Jihad was that it was basically a fatwah on computers because it made people mentally lazy and reliant on machines (lol social commentary), which fits into the whole breeding program thing the BG had going on. Interesting conceptually but you'd be hard pressed to write a space epic about space luddites. A literal war on machines is lol tho.
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NoneMoreNegative posted:c PoI s: yeah. kind of expected tho
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also I ended up watching lost girl and its amazingly bad. not just bad writing, but everything is so sub par and canadian. it must suck for non-americans cause anyone whos any good at anything (like tv/movies) moves to America.
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hubris.height posted:same i agree with you but most people are probably okay stopping after the third book
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basically paul's story spans books 1-3 while the golden path story spans books 1-4.
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ol qwerty bastard posted:well frank herbert isn't infallible. he created some great things like "dune" and "dune messiah", but he also created some crappy things like "chapterhouse: dune" and "brian herbert" nice
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duTrieux. posted:i agree with you but most people are probably okay stopping after the third book most people are ok stopping after the first book. the second two (and following 3) are obsessed with a Big Idea" that turns out to be a really outdated and simplistic view of cultural stagnation
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