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For the house shows the last time WWE visited my state, the front row seats were sold in really pricey meet and greet packages. This left a lot of empty seats.
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WWE hasn't been to my town since the mid 90's, where legend has it Papa Shango got them booted out of the local strip joint after getting up on stage and dancing drunkenly with the girls. I've never been to a WWE show, been to some fun indy shows and that's it.
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Nov 21, 2013 15:41
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Red posted:Awesome, I hope you do. This could be interesting. 1. I recall seeing a montage of Superstar Billy Graham losing the WWWF title to Bob Backlund. I must have been channel surfing looking for monster movies or maybe cartoons. I got hooked by the action and by Superstar's in ring antics 1a. 1978 2. First angle I remember was Larry Z turning on Bruno. That was a big deal ( lived in Pittsburgh at the time and. Bruno was a god to us kids) and the tv broadcast was marked with a big X-made the event seem like an even bigger deal. 2a. 1980 3. The first angle that got me into a "can't miss" mentality was The Horsemen vs everyone. I had just gotten cable and had never seen the TBS saturday night show. Once I saw it, I began to arrange my Saturday schedule around the 6:05 time slot. 3a. 1985 4. I'm 46 5. My faves as a kid were Superstar Graham, Rocky Johnson and Bruno.
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Nov 21, 2013 15:56
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El Gallinero Gros posted:WWE hasn't been to my town since the mid 90's, where legend has it Papa Shango got them booted out of the local strip joint after getting up on stage and dancing drunkenly with the girls. I've never been to a WWE show, been to some fun indy shows and that's it. So THAT's why he got into that business later! "Can't throw me out of my own club for dancing with the girls..."
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Nov 21, 2013 16:17
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Ok, so I have a question that I'd like to get several opinions on. I'm working on a gaming side project where I want to factor in different win bonuses/loss penalties based on the type of finish. The catch is that I'd like to vary the bonuses and penalties so that, say, a DQ win barely helps the victor while really hampering the loser, and so forth. The problem I'm running into is where to rank "non-standard" finishes based on matches available to the game engine. For instance, where does escaping a steel cage rank the winner (or loser) compared to a First Blood match, or a ladder match, and so on? I know it's a relative thing based on performance if this were real life pro graps, but for this purpose I'm looking at treating all similar finishes equally, whether it be Fingerpokes of Doom or legit MOTY candidates. Below is the list of finishes I expect to see most often, arranged in my view from weakest to strongest. I'd appreciate seeing how everyone would sort these out. Disqualification Countout Pinfall Submission Two falls to one (2/3 falls match) Retrieval (Ladder matches) Two falls to none (2/3 falls match) Cage escape (over the side) First Blood Last Man Standing Medical DQ/Ref stoppage due to inability to defend oneself Any other finishes you feel should be added, feel free to add them to your list. Thank you!
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Nov 21, 2013 17:09
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ShadowedFlames posted:Ok, so I have a question that I'd like to get several opinions on. I'd think the most valuable victory would be retiring your opponent in a career match. There's also: - Manager/Cornerman throwing in the towel - Stuffing opponent into object (casket/ambulance/buried alive match) - Touching four corners in a row (strap/rope match) - Forcing opponent to say 'I Quit' in 'I Quit' match - Add a pole match to 'retrieval' - Executing a move during a 'specialty' move match (Bodyslam match) - Winning most falls during an Iron Man match, most valuable is winning X falls to 0 (a shutout, basically) - Winning a battle royal, value determined by size/scope/prize - Winning a Royal Rumble, value determined by order of entry, number of eliminations - Winning a handicap match - Winning an Elimination Chamber, value decided by order of entry - Winning a tournament, value decided by size/scope/prize You really could go on forever.
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Nov 21, 2013 17:15
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ShadowedFlames posted:Ok, so I have a question that I'd like to get several opinions on. I know you said you said that the match quality doesn't matter, just the finish, but what about also ranking the prestige of the match type. For instance, a cage escape would be rated higher than say a pinfall in a regular match since a cage match is more prestigious. Likewise, a finish in say a HIAC or LMS would have more significance than just a no DQ or cage match.
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Nov 21, 2013 17:19
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If you're doing the 80's, you may want to have a section for: - Double count-out; brawl to the back.
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Nov 21, 2013 17:26
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Best seat I've had was front row at the last RevPro show in London. I got to shake Tanahashi's hand after his match and was next to the ridiculous Devitt running drop kick/double stomp into Ricochet/the lighting rig.
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Nov 21, 2013 17:33
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The Senator Giroux posted:I know you said you said that the match quality doesn't matter, just the finish, but what about also ranking the prestige of the match type. For instance, a cage escape would be rated higher than say a pinfall in a regular match since a cage match is more prestigious. Likewise, a finish in say a HIAC or LMS would have more significance than just a no DQ or cage match. Which is true. But then you run into which match types are more prestigious than others which would skew the question even further. If you wanted to use that instead of finishes, that is acceptable as well. Notice that in the list I posted the standard finishes came before cage, ladder, and so forth. In my mind I was trying to weigh the finishes in terms of how strong the participants would look coming out of it. In a way, I could see the argument for prestige giving greater weight to the finish. As for the other finishes that were given...if any of them make it into this project I'll assess them at that time. I'm just going for now with what I presume will be the most common ones. The double countout/DQ is a good one to consider, good call on that.
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Nov 21, 2013 17:39
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Ghostpilot posted:If you're doing the 80's, you may want to have a section for: Ah, yes, the Jim Duggan/Bad News Brown/Roddy Piper Special.
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Nov 21, 2013 17:40
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I'm too cheap to splurge for front row, but I've been second row for ROH a coupe times at a comparatively reasonable rate. One nice thing abut indie shows is that even the GA seats are pretty drat good.
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Nov 21, 2013 17:41
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Thauros posted:I'm too cheap to splurge for front row, but I've been second row for ROH a coupe times at a comparatively reasonable rate. One nice thing abut indie shows is that even the GA seats are pretty drat good. I can't bring myself to spend the extra on front row ROH tickets. I always get fourth row since it's only $5 more and I get a guaranteed seat.
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Nov 21, 2013 17:50
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The Edison ROH venue at the ice rink tended to be trivially easy to not buy the front row tickets but end up with effectively a front row seat so I did that. I had really good ringside seats to the 1995 King of the Ring, which is generally considered the worst WWF/WWE PPV ever. 
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Nov 21, 2013 18:01
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El Gallinero Gros posted:One thing I'd also be curious to see is who the first heel you ever liked was. It may be less relevant to those who started watching as an adult, but I'd still find it interesting. Probably at least a few Jake Roberts answers. Piper, all the way. Although the first heel that I really -hated- was Ted DiBiase. I cherish his work in retrospect, as he was such an amazing heel worker, and apparently a genuinely good guy outside of the business.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:07
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jeffersonlives posted:The Edison ROH venue at the ice rink tended to be trivially easy to not buy the front row tickets but end up with effectively a front row seat so I did that. I just looked it up, I knew that was the King Mabel event, but holy poo poo that is an awful card. On paper, maybe the Hart vs Lawler match looks ok-ish, otherwise holy shitballs.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:15
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Monkeycheese posted:I just looked it up, I knew that was the King Mabel event, but holy poo poo that is an awful card. On paper, maybe the Hart vs Lawler match looks ok-ish, otherwise holy shitballs. 1994 had Art Donovan on the announcing team, so it could've been worse.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:24
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quote:WWF @ Des Moines, IA - Veterans Memorial Auditorium - January 26, 1991 I was ringside for this, still have Bret's glasses somewhere in storage. Man, no wonder I love good tag teams so much.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:43
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Another spot I love is the extended lock-up that goes around the ring. When the guys push each other along all 4 sides. I want to say I remember a match with Benoit where they fell through the ropes in a lock-up and still didn't release it.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:51
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oldpainless posted:Another spot I love is the extended lock-up that goes around the ring. When the guys push each other along all 4 sides. I want to say I remember a match with Benoit where they fell through the ropes in a lock-up and still didn't release it. Along a similar vein, I love the "Come get me, guy charges, low bridge spot" that smaller guys use on bigger dudes to eliminate people in battle royals.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:56
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Maybe this is a question too large to answer, but... How did Tanahashi become such a big draw? Was there a "moment", like Austin 3:16, that you can point to? Or did it come slowly? I started watching NJPW just before he dropped the title to Okada, so I missed his rise to the top.
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Nov 21, 2013 19:17
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triplexpac posted:Maybe this is a question too large to answer, but... He got a lot of support when he returned from an injury. The injury being his girlfriend stabbed him. People were impressed at his toughness, and toughness goes a long way in getting support. It helps that he's a drat fine worker, also.
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Nov 21, 2013 19:20
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Best seats I ever had were at WrestleMania this year:  I had a fantastic view with no obstructions, and all it cost me was a HELL of a lot of money.
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Nov 21, 2013 19:25
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quote:WWE (SmackDown! & ECW) @ Honolulu, HI - Blaisdell Arena - July 5, 2009 Took my brother's kids to this show after watching nothing but the very occasional ROH since about 2001. It was AWESOME and I've been watching fairly regularly since then. I was jazzed to see CM Punk live and Rey-Jericho with Steamboat shenanigans was electric. Recently there was some talk about old-school heel heat, I'm fairly surprised that Jericho was able to leave the building without getting brutally beaten by the crowd. He was that good.
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Nov 21, 2013 19:42
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TL posted:Best seats I ever had were at WrestleMania this year That's awesome. I went to Wrestlemania X-8 and it felt like I was watching ants wrestle, I was so far away. Best seats I've had for wrestling is front row for a few ROH events. I also got floor seats for the Royal Rumble one year. The seats weren't actually that great, but I did get a meet & greet with wrestlers which was pretty cool.
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Nov 21, 2013 19:50
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triplexpac posted:That's awesome. I went to Wrestlemania X-8 and it felt like I was watching ants wrestle, I was so far away. I was at Wrestlemania 23 and I don't remember a thing other than Undertake and Cena's entrances. Third deck at Ford Field 
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Nov 21, 2013 19:58
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oldpainless posted:Another spot I love is the extended lock-up that goes around the ring. When the guys push each other along all 4 sides. I want to say I remember a match with Benoit where they fell through the ropes in a lock-up and still didn't release it. I believe Savage/DDP did that spot (the falling through the ropes and still not breaking apart)
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Nov 21, 2013 20:15
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fatherdog posted:I believe Savage/DDP did that spot (the falling through the ropes and still not breaking apart) DDP loved that spot, I think he used it in the Benoit and Raven feuds as well.
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Nov 21, 2013 20:16
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Great DVD or Greatest? http://www.highspots.com/p/douglas-ecw.html
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Nov 21, 2013 21:14
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Six DVDs worth? Gross.
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Nov 21, 2013 21:24
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MisterGBH posted:Rebellion 3/11/2001 this was my first show too, I think the rock/austin singing contest at the very end really sold going to more live wrestling for me, it was something different and that wasn't shown on tv
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Nov 21, 2013 21:30
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triplexpac posted:How do they have ECW footage? Fan cam stuff? I guess so. They have also sold DVDS of all of Cactus's ecw matches. It says that all footage is from RF Video.
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Nov 21, 2013 21:31
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oldpainless posted:Another spot I love is the extended lock-up that goes around the ring. When the guys push each other along all 4 sides. I want to say I remember a match with Benoit where they fell through the ropes in a lock-up and still didn't release it. Benoit/Finlay did this on a good PPV match but I can't remember which one
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Nov 21, 2013 22:10
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Just out of curiosity, how much do wrestlemania front row floor seats usually go for?
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bobkatt013 posted:Great DVD or Greatest? I don't even especially dislike Douglas but hot drat I would not spend $5 on a set of his matches, let alone $30. Freight Train, on the other hand...
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Nov 21, 2013 22:28
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omgomgomg posted:Just out of curiosity, how much do wrestlemania front row floor seats usually go for? I believe I saw $2000 a piece for WM30.
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Nov 22, 2013 00:04
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triplexpac posted:How do they have ECW footage? Fan cam stuff? Feinstein had the rights to record and sell ECW house shows as fan cam footage. At one point Heyman fell behind in payments and when RF got mad Heyman made him out to be a heel on TV. That's our Paul!
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Nov 22, 2013 01:24
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ShadowedFlames posted:Ok, so I have a question that I'd like to get several opinions on. I cannot emphasize enough that escaping the cage should be the tiniest possible bonus because it's literally running away from your opponent to win.
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epitasis posted:I cannot emphasize enough that escaping the cage should be the tiniest possible bonus because it's literally running away from your opponent to win. Using the door should be a penalty. Over the top is a bit more bold.
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