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mAlfunkti0n posted:Just watched the episode again. Fusco's crazy face (and for a moment afterwards) reminds me of an episode of The IT Crowd where Roy goes on a date with an ex and she ends up looking like the joker because of her makeup/crying. I was thinking Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men. 
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I thought they might get rid of Carter. I think the biggest negative is that she was one of the best female characters and actresses on a show currently running. The kiss with Reese was totally not sexual in my mind; it was more like he'd lost sight of everything good in the world and she was the proverbial light in the darkness. I will also echo sentiments that I wish they hadn't released that someone would die in the promos. Normally I don't want them but last week I was so stoked for this week I youtubed it and got it spoiled. The death still would have been cheap but I like that it comes in the middle of the season so it's not like we have to wait a year for the resolution. My other theory on who was going to die was that Harold was going to release Root, then kill her after she helps him and he sees how much better the machine works with her. I think that angle could still happen later on. Harold getting jealous/protective of the machine and eventually forcing Reese to turn on Harold could be a really interesting plotline. I'm also very curious to see if they revisit the idea that there were guys before Reese.
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Generic American posted:It's also important to note that the Machine isn't psychic. Most of its predictions come from using information and interactions to estimate when something might be imminent. Unless Simmons stopped to call one of his buddies about it, the Machine really had no way to know what he intended to do beyond what it already gave to Finch regarding Reese. In this case, all it would have to work with would be video feeds from cameras showing that Simmons was walking vaguely in their direction, after it had already relayed Reese's number to Finch earlier. In a vacuum, I've always assumed the Machine is pretty much worthless. With how Simmons went about it, he gave no real signs of premeditation or intent until the last minute. This was how I thought of it too. Simmons doesn't even have to change his behaviour to go from just a regular day to killing someone. A normal person would have to do something like get a weapon which would set off alarms for the machine. I'm sure Finch will feel guilty about Carter. Since his relationship with the Machine is just getting the numbers, they couldn't do something like ask the machine to find Simmons for them before he even had a chance to get the drop on them.
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Fusco having to say goodbye to his kid:  Shaw loving things up for HR:   Fusco's comeback:  The last minute:  I don't think I have ever cheered at my TV as much as I did during the scene leading up to this: 
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mcbexx posted:I don't think I have ever cheered at my TV as much as I did during the scene leading up to this: I've never actually worried about the survival of an actor before, but christ it looked like Kevin Chapman was actually murdering this guy.
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Nov 20, 2013 21:08
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Kevin Chapman did a great Anton Chigur impression at the end. You even got to see the guys boots leaving streaks on the floor as he was strangled. I saw Shaw saving the kid a mile off, but I think we all did. I was expecting Reese or even Finch to get the bullet at the end. I could see Root forcibly being made to take over the irrelevant list by the machine. Cutting her off unless she helped. I wonder if next weeks number will be Simmons's. And then we'll maybe get some of team irrelevant trying to stop Reese from killing him.
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Godspeed Taraji P. Henson. Carter was one hell of a female character and you played the part well. A very good episode eventhough Carter's death came out of nowhere. It cheapened it a bit but the show needed a major character to die at some point.
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SpookyLizard posted:
Spoilers on next number: http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/11/20/person-interest-jonathan-nolan-greg-plageman-carter-death/
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My only real complaint is that just when it looked like Fusco was about to die, they cut to a commercial or something like that, and it was clear that they weren't going to kill him after that, because the tone had completely changed.
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http://tvline.com/2013/11/20/person-of-interest-season-3-why-carter-was-killed-off/ drat, that kiss wasn't scripted.
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Zaggitz posted:http://tvline.com/2013/11/20/person-of-interest-season-3-why-carter-was-killed-off/ Holy poo poo. It sounds like the creators had some of the same misgivings people in this thread did about that moment. Pretty interesting that they kept it in. I think it worked.
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I thought it was an interesting moment because I didn't really get a Mulder/Scully quasi-romance feel from it. Knowing it was unscripted makes it work more.
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PaybackJack posted:My other theory on who was going to die was that Harold was going to release Root, then kill her after she helps him and he sees how much better the machine works with her. I think that angle could still happen later on. Harold getting jealous/protective of the machine and eventually forcing Reese to turn on Harold could be a really interesting plotline. I'm also very curious to see if they revisit the idea that there were guys before Reese. I think it's a definite possibility that this might make Finch want to have a different sort of relationship with the Machine in order to better help save people, but to be honest I've never really felt like Finch would be jealous over the Machine...if anything I've always thought that part of the reason Finch keeps it as impersonal and arms-length as he does is because deep down part of him resents it. What happens after Finch turns the Machine on and gives it to the government? His best friend is killed in an attack that leaves Finch crippled, he has to go on the run and leave his fiancee behind, he loses every chance at having a normal life ever again...in a way the Machine is Finch's "child" and I don't think he outright hates it, but I can't imagine that he doesn't on some level regret ever having made it regardless of the good it's done for others. Inviting it even deeper into your life seems like it's just asking for trouble, and I'm waiting to see if Root gets burned by that.
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Also did anyone get an Once Upon A Time In America feeling from the ending? With the phone?
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Taraji P Henson is one of the guests on Letterman tonight, for what I'm guessing will be a spoiler-heavy interview.
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MrFlibble posted:The actual line was "It made it no big deal to break my thumb" or something close to that. The point was that to escape handcuffs he needed every finger and his thumb broken and it was a lot easier to break his thumb than to break all of his fingers AND his thumb, Okay, this makes sense to me, as do the comments about the pain. I was just thinking that, logistically it would be hard to break your thumb if your fingers were broken. I guess not.
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Nov 21, 2013 20:02
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Kegslayer posted:The Machine clearly wanted to save Reese and Carter but was unable to do so under the current relationship it has with Finch. I loved that moment with Root. One second she's saying, "You can trust me!" then the next she's being manipulative saying things like, "Sorry for your loss."
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Nov 21, 2013 20:14
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Since I've been catching up (and am now caught up), I was not spoilered about the "Hero will fall". I was pretty sure Lionel was going to die after Shaw saved his son, but after he escaped, I thought Team Irrelevant was going to make it out unscathed, though I was wondering what Simmons was going to do with the key. When Carter got shot, my immediate thought was, "What a cheap loving ploy to have Simmons escape with just a flesh wound after killing Carter." I was actually more upset with that than Carter's death itself. I have to reiterate how surprised I am about how much I'm enjoying the show. Are most cop procedurals like this?
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No POI is really a unique take on the crime procedural format in a way that even other shows in the genre I like (such as Elementary) are not. I can't think of any other show that so seamlessly blends serialized storytelling with week to week problem solving type episodes. At least not until you start branching out of the specifically crime procedural shows into things like Fringe.
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Josh Lyman posted:Since I've been catching up (and am now caught up), I was not spoilered about the "Hero will fall". I was pretty sure Lionel was going to die after Shaw saved his son, but after he escaped, I thought Team Irrelevant was going to make it out unscathed, though I was wondering what Simmons was going to do with the key. In one word: no.
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Regy Rusty posted:No POI is really a unique take on the crime procedural format in a way that even other shows in the genre I like (such as Elementary) are not. I can't think of any other show that so seamlessly blends serialized storytelling with week to week problem solving type episodes. At least not until you start branching out of the specifically crime procedural shows into things like Fringe.
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Slamhound posted:This really can't be overstated. One interview mentioned they were going for the x-files formula and... Yeah. Only difference is in POI the mythology eps are best, in x-files it was the procedural ones.
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Sisgmund posted:One interview mentioned they were going for the x-files formula and... Yeah. I think it's 50/50 and if they stray too far in any one direction, it suffers. They really have a solid grasp of the concept.
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It's more than that; the impetus for each prodecural episode makes it a mythology episode. You can view the mythology as an aggregation of the procedurals, or the procedurals as facets of the mythology.
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I think the charm lies in their ability to have three to four plotlines running through the story that intersect and tie in with the procedural aspect instead of just one big plotline that never really has a resolution.
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Kegslayer posted:I think the charm lies in their ability to have three to four plotlines running through the story that intersect and tie in with the procedural aspect instead of just one big plotline that never really has a resolution. Especially when that one big plotline is a will they/won't they you know the showrunners are afraid to resolve for fear of losing shippers.
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The CBS/PoI site has uploaded a behind-the-scenes video of The Crossing. Ah, cutting onions and all. Another fine detail I loved: Finch kept calling Carter Detective after her demotion.  In the last episode, he does that again and adds, "It's Detective again, right?" Then calls her Joss upon leaving. Coming from someone as formal as Finch, how can you not jump in your seat.The reactions aren't so good out there, lots of viewers saying they're done with the show after the mini-arc. Let's hope it's just a knee-jerk reaction and that ratings won't go down.
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Pilli posted:The reactions aren't so good out there, lots of viewers saying they're done with the show after the mini-arc. Let's hope it's just a knee-jerk reaction and that ratings won't go down. Most of those people are idiots though, they say they are quitting because killing Carter was racist. 
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Hopefully they will read all those same interviews I linked and see the light. It's silly to assume that the people who have produced and written one of the most progressive shows to date are suddenly MRAs for giving a character a heroic death when the actor playing her wanted out.
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Well from the interviews I've read she didn't want out but the showrunners pretty much told the cast they aren't always safe and she was fine with not having to sit on the show until it poo poo the bed but kept going. Although I doubt we'd ever see someone bite it during a 'routine' episode, which would be shocking.
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I am just floored. I am not in the US so I had not seen any of the previews or adverts. I had no idea that they had been saying that someone was going to die. Hell, I haven't even had time to even read the thread in ages I was practically in tears when Carter died. If you had no idea about someone dying, it hit you like a ton of bricks.
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Character death is always a calculated gamble. I used to regularly watch Castle and they had a similar "sudden character death" moment, but the character they replaced that one with was a real step down to the overall enjoyability of the show. I mean, that wasn't the only problem Castle had, mind you, but still. I have more faith in the PoI showrunners to work with the aftermath of this than I do the Castle showrunners, and as much as I enjoyed Carter as a character the thing is this isn't a situation where they need to replace her whereas with Castle they kinda had to.
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Yeah you can correlate everything lovely about Castle to Montgomery dying.
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Pretty smart of them to introduce Shaw so early, if that had been this season fans would hate her as a "replacement" and cry racism even louder than they are now.
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beanieson posted:Pretty smart of them to introduce Shaw so early, if that had been this season fans would hate her as a "replacement" and cry racism even louder than they are now. All the while ignoring that Sarah Shahi is half Iranian half Spanish.
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Kai Tave posted:All the while ignoring that Sarah Shahi is half Iranian half Spanish. "BUT SHE LOOKS AND ACTS WHITE SO IT DOESN'T COUNT"
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