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Josef bugman posted:
Yeah, sometimes I wonder what kind of stuff we do casually today without thinking about it will be considered archaic and horrifying to people thousands of years from now. Fracking for a start
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I just finished reading the Iliad (again), and upon browsing the wikipedia article for it, found that apparently the Iliad is one of the lynch pins of Bicameralism. Is this guy insane or what?
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Ainsley McTree posted:Fracking for a start Not even Fracking. Imagine if in less than a century there are people proudly proclaiming that "Furry is okay!" for mayoral elections or higher, or that suddenly keep pets is considered an act of slavery. I mean it could happen, societal mores are changing pretty god-drat quickly. And yeah, what? Does Achilles have a long chat in the midst of butchering people about the problems of a one party state?
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Nov 22, 2013 17:28
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I always get bit  when I remember that the Romans had advertisements almost exactly like modern ones.
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Nov 22, 2013 17:29
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Agean90 posted:I always get bit I remember a segment on NPR a few years back that said that ads for Sumerian beer had been unearthed.
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Nov 22, 2013 17:36
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Read something (may have been in this thread?)about how when BBC/HBO were making their Rome series they had to scrap plans to include the (historically accurate) "commercials" that were presented by town-crier type guys to the audience during the intermissions of Gladiatorial games. Apparently test audiences didn't understand that this was a real thing, and thought it was some satire of modern TV.
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Nov 22, 2013 17:44
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There was a scene cut from the movie Spartacus where Spartacus would've been doing a celebrity endorsement of olive oil. If only the Romans had better printing technology, then they could cover their gladiators in logos instead of letting them go fight shirtless.
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Nov 22, 2013 17:45
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SlothfulCobra posted:There was a scene cut from the movie Spartacus where Spartacus would've been doing a celebrity endorsement of olive oil. I personally would love to see the equivalent of the crazy "come and worship at our mega-church" style adverts done with Roman Gods, I mean you'd have to have used most of the beef territory of south america to make white bulls, but still.
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Oberleutnant posted:Read something (may have been in this thread?)about how when BBC/HBO were making their Rome series they had to scrap plans to include the (historically accurate) "commercials" that were presented by town-crier type guys to the audience during the intermissions of Gladiatorial games. Apparently test audiences didn't understand that this was a real thing, and thought it was some satire of modern TV. That was cut from Gladiator (and celebrity endorsements by gladiators, both of which were common), I don't know if Rome was going to do the same thing. An ad I was able to dig up: "Brought to you by Decimus Lucretius Satrius Valens, permanent priest of Nero Caesar, son of Augustus, twenty pairs of gladiators. And presented by Decimus Lucretius, son of Valens, ten pairs of gladiators. They’ll fight at Pompeii from the sixth day before the ides of April, through the day before. There will be a standard venatio [animal fights or men hunting animals] and awnings [to provide shade for spectators]." Google is supplying piles of poo poo instead of any more ads, but there's an example anyway. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Nov 22, 2013 |
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HBO Rome does have the ads by the towncrier, "True Roman Bread, for True Romans" and so on. But none during the gladiatorial fights as far as I remember.
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There's also been ads found in Pompeii graffiti among thousands of other, often mundane, sometimes hilarious, writings. If you want to see how people then were pretty much like people now, look up some of the Pompeii graffiti.quote:A note to a jeweler: quote:Usually, graffiti about particular businesses occur near the establishment that it refers to. Outside of one dive bar in Pompeii is written: quote:With humor, in a bar in Herculaneum, next to a drawing of a phallus: quote:And the women did not leave out their sexual advice: quote:I.2.20 (Bar/Brothel of Innulus and Papilio); 3932: Weep, you girls. My penis has given you up. Now it penetrates men’s behinds. Goodbye, wondrous femininity! quote:VI.16.15 (atrium of the House of Pinarius); 6842: If anyone does not believe in Venus, they should gaze at my girl friend quote:VII.2.48 (House of Caprasius Primus); 3061: I don’t want to sell my husband, not for all the gold in the world quote:VII.12.18-20 (the Lupinare); 2175: I screwed a lot of girls here. quote:III.5.3 (on the wall in the street); 8898: Theophilus, don’t perform oral sex on girls against the city wall like a dog quote:(gladiator barracks); 8792: On April 19th, I made bread
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The Pompeii graffiti never gets old.  (4/19 make bread erry day)
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Seriously, it's the Pompeii graffiti that always hits me the hardest with the realization that the people 2000 years ago were pretty much exactly the same as we are now. I actually find that kind of uplifting, the idea that at the heart of it all, a human being is a human being is a human being.
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Jerusalem posted:a human being is a human being is a human being. Hell it's 2,000 years later and people still can't stop drawing dicks on everything.
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Nov 23, 2013 00:44
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The world's oldest recorded joke is a fart joke
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Humans enjoy loving, eating, gossiping, and sometimes fighting. These are the immutable states of the human condition.
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Our view on historical cultures is kinda skewed because we have limited sources on how people actually lived. When you write a Big Serious Book you're probably writing about the ideal and not the day to day life.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Our view on historical cultures is kinda skewed because we have limited sources on how people actually lived. When you write a Big Serious Book you're probably writing about the ideal and not the day to day life. I think part of the problem, too, is we often learn about these ancient cultures in huge sweeping tales about war and intrigue and all that, and it becomes very easy to view it all like you're reading Lord of the Rings or something. As far as graffiti goes, I always loved this one, which is basically an argument on Twitter: quote:I.10.2-3 (Bar of Prima); 8258, 8259: The story of Successus, Severus and Iris is played out on the walls of a bar: [Severus]: “Successus, a weaver, loves the innkeeper’s slave girl named Iris. She, however, does not love him. Still, he begs her to have pity on him. His rival wrote this. Goodbye.”. [Answer by Successus]: “Envious one, why do you get in the way. Submit to a handsomer man and one who is being treated very wrongly and good looking.” [Answer by Severus]: “I have spoken. I have written all there is to say. You love Iris, but she does not love you.” But this one is my favorite, truly words to live by: quote:VIII.2 (in the basilica); 1882: The one who buggers a fire burns his penis
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Walliard posted:The Pompeii graffiti never gets old. I'm sorta wondering if 'made bread' might be a euphemism along the lines of 'bun in the oven'? But maybe that's just the rest of the graffiti influencing me!
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I like the ones that boil down to,"Me and my brother/friend/some guy I just met got really goddamn drunk and did our best to get laid. Good times  "
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Maybe he pinched off a loaf in his buddy's scutum.
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Ask me about Roman/Greek/totally sweet ancient history: Goodbye, Wondrous Femininity
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quote:VIII.2 (in the basilica); 1882: The one who buggers a fire burns his penis The library of Alexandria burned to the ground. Jesus Christ never wrote down a single thing. All we really have are Aristotle's lecture notes. Caesar didn't live long enough to write about his true intentions. But none of that matters because this has survived to the modern day.
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I desperately want to see that in latin as some Ivy league schools motto.
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Third Murderer posted:But this one is my favorite, truly words to live by: Don't you dare leave out the original Latin: Accensum qui pedicat urit mentulam From Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum, Vol. 4.
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Thank you for the Latin version.
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I still prefer mine. It even works better if you read it in a fabulous manner.
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Frostwerks posted:I still prefer mine. It even works better if you read it in a fabulous manner. Is there any other way to read it? I mean it's still as true today as it was two millennia ago.
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On the child sacrifice thing, I propose it is due to one simple fact. Moloch hungers 
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Pimpmust posted:Moloch hungers He's kept bloody quiet about it since his city burned down in that case.
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Josef bugman posted:He's kept bloody quiet about it since his city burned down in that case. The Head and the Hands were joined by the Heart, and that was it for ol' Moloch.
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Josef bugman posted:He's kept bloody quiet about it since his city burned down in that case. Mars was hungrier.
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Agean90 posted:Mars was hungrier. Moloch was delicious I guess.
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sullat posted:I remember a segment on NPR a few years back that said that ads for Sumerian beer had been unearthed. Chandragupta Family Brewery's famed "Har-hoppa" Indus Pale Ale. (I like to think the Indus River folks had one hell of a distribution network)
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Not sure if this link has been posted before, but here are a series of free lectures and podcasts from the University of Oxford about Rome (or loosely connected to Rome) that some people might enjoy listening to. http://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/search?terms=rome
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Ghetto Prince posted:Holy poo poo, I finished the thread They had joke books: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/mar/13/roman-joke-book-beard One joke that isn't that article: A man is on a boat with his slaves when suddenly a storm breaks out. The slaves screams in terror but the man tell them not to worry since has freed them all in his will.
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Alhazred posted:They had joke books: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/mar/13/roman-joke-book-beard The "grandpa died peacefully in his sleep, too bad about the passengers in his car" of the ancient world.
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Here's the whole of it, with middling translations if you're interested. http://publishing.yudu.com/Library/Au7bv/PhilogelosTheLaughAd/resources/index.htm ...it's surprisingly funny..ish. edit: skip the intro, unless you're particularly interested, the jokes start on page 20'ish
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The translation is just smooth enough that I want to see the original and find out what's been sacrificed for the sake of sounding acceptable in English. The ironies of translation. Speaking of irony: quote:Freedom to Read ... The doublethink is loving palpable.
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