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Man, I really don't like this change to vassal levies. Oh well, time for option B:
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Is there no penalty to wrong type of holding as a patrician? My new county's capital is a castle but it seemingly is not penalized? I guess I shouldn't bother acquiring the city but rather just keep the baron as a vassal and just hold the castle for better levy.
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Nov 22, 2013 17:14
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Trogdos! posted:Is there no penalty to wrong type of holding as a patrician? My new county's capital is a castle but it seemingly is not penalized? I guess I shouldn't bother acquiring the city but rather just keep the baron as a vassal and just hold the castle for better levy. Patricians get to keep castles with no penalty, and Muslim patricians can use any holding type. As for the city versus castle thing, it's entirely up to you if you want more levies and better siege defense from the former or a lot more cash from the latter. Personally, I'd pick the latter: I think you're better off with the city's payout since money is a Patrician's lifeblood and even a single city gives you a significant amount, and the levy you get from a single castle is far outclassed by mercs or a retinue.
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Nov 22, 2013 17:20
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Toadsniff posted:Welp, they still didn't make it so you could divorce your Jewish wife, married for life This could be the premise for a great sitcom.
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This patch has made playing as anyone with event troops hilarious. Edit: So the game just dropped a 7.5k "liberation revolt" stack on my 4-county rear end (My maximum levy was at 3.5k). 
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Nov 22, 2013 18:05
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Demiurge4 posted:Yeah I was rather surprised Iceland was suddenly that big, it's also a kingdom now. A five province kingdom. I turned Iceland into a Merchant Republic, it works well. They don't really have any close rivals, but it costs a fortune to actually put a trade post somewhere because of the distance. And pretty much everyone leaves them alone, so they just quietly make giant stacks of cash, with the occasional Viking raid when they decide for a more hands on approach to money making.
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Nov 22, 2013 19:33
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SeaTard posted:I turned Iceland into a Merchant Republic, it works well. They don't really have any close rivals, but it costs a fortune to actually put a trade post somewhere because of the distance. And pretty much everyone leaves them alone, so they just quietly make giant stacks of cash, with the occasional Viking raid when they decide for a more hands on approach to money making. JP Morgan-land.
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Nov 22, 2013 19:43
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When successfully convincing another duke to join your faction, is he supposed to join it immediately, or when you actually press your demands? Playing as Matilda of Tuscany, I managed to coerce one of the larger Italian dukes to join my independence faction, but he never did. He did however go forward with his own, ultimately unsuccessful bid for the Empire, which allowed me to successfully break off anyway (though I would have preferred if the both of us went independent, so I could annex him later).
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Nov 22, 2013 20:37
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How big is the penalty for exceeding your desmene limit again? Can you just become a French king with 50 desmene counties and baronies and say gently caress you to all of your vassals who get uppity? I'm also imagining doing this by making one mega-mayor the ruler of all your cities, and just randomly imprisoning/banishing him for revenue every 10 years, then installing another tax collector in his place.
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Nov 22, 2013 21:22
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Going too far over your limit will get you a bunch of negative province modifiers, like Thieves Guilds, smuggling rings, and bands of highwaymen.
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Nov 22, 2013 21:28
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It also makes what vassals you have hate you, and makes raising your levies hopelessly expensive.
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Nov 22, 2013 22:06
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Cease to Hope posted:It also makes what vassals you have hate you, and makes raising your levies hopelessly expensive. Good thing they have no levies worth raising then, eh?
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Nov 22, 2013 22:12
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PureRok posted:Good thing they have no levies worth raising then, eh?
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Nov 22, 2013 22:17
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I got the same thing that a couple people have posted about, having some vassals revolt for independence and somehow producing 106k armies from 4 counties, when the entire empire of france could only raise about 130. Strange.Cease to Hope posted:It also makes what vassals you have hate you, and makes raising your levies hopelessly expensive. My first playthrough doing an Ireland thing, I didn't realize how big the demesene penalty was, and just kept as many counties as I could take. I had no idea that was why my vassals revolted every 5-6 years.
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Nov 22, 2013 22:40
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nutranurse posted:This could be the premise for a great sitcom. Until like the sixties that was the premise of pretty much every sitcom.
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I was testing something unrelated with another character I had tag-switched to, and noticed the AI did something odd with "my" titles when I advanced a day. What I Had: Titular Empire of Ruthenia (from the titular title generator mod), Kingdom of Ruthenia, Kingdom of Rus, Duchies of Kiev and Moldau (both located in Ruthenia). Able to form the Russian Empire but so far declined to do so (I wanted the Ruthenian Empire to become de jure first, then I'd split the two empires) What the AI Did: Formed the Russian Empire (of course), made it primary (sure)... then destroyed the Kingdom of Ruthenia (what). What could it possibly have had to gain from that?
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Nov 22, 2013 22:49
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Bishop Rodan posted:Going too far over your limit will get you a bunch of negative province modifiers, like Thieves Guilds, smuggling rings, and bands of highwaymen. So you're saying it'd be hilarious?
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Nov 22, 2013 22:51
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NihilCredo posted:What the AI Did: Formed the Russian Empire (of course), made it primary (sure)... then destroyed the Kingdom of Ruthenia (what). What could it possibly have had to gain from that? Wellllll it would permanently remove the "desires the kingdom of Ruthenia" opinion modifier from any de jure Ruthenian vassals, right? After pissing them off mightily for a generation.
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Nov 22, 2013 23:02
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Arcturas posted:How big is the penalty for exceeding your desmene limit again? Can you just become a French king with 50 desmene counties and baronies and say gently caress you to all of your vassals who get uppity? In TOG, you could go way over your limit without an issue, so long as you made sure that you had absolutely no vassals. It was around 70 holdings before I started losing money at peace in vanilla. Even in the CK2+ version of TOG, I could usually have about 20 holdings without losing money at peace. Unless it's changed significantly in SOA, I would say it is by far the best way to play when you're under about 50 holdings total. The one issue I ever had with it was when running Gavelkind, because that many holdings seems to screw up the calculations.
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One of my vassals kicked the pope out of Rome and into the county of Santois, which I share a border with. Popes keep calling crusades for Burgundy, likely because it's right next door to him, but then I march my troops one square and end the crusade in maybe a month or two total every time. It's SAD. I feel SAD for Catholics and their lovely popes. I mean, the guy is reaching for the stars by declaring on me, but I guess my holdings are the only ones that are in catholic land, so while it'd make game sense to crusade for something held by the muslims or for like, Lithuania or something, there hasn't been catholic presence in those areas for hundreds of years.
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Nov 22, 2013 23:34
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Kainser posted:It's not *that* different from what it was when Wiz stopped developing it. While I usually stick with vanilla CK2 and thus have no real dog in this fight, it strikes me that the biggest shift the new CK2+ team has implemented is in moving away from sub-mods and integrating things directly into the base mod itself. There's a difference between saying "hey, I like this mod but I don't like the new map, I'll just disable the new map submod and stick with the original" and saying "hey, I like this mod but I don't like the new map, I guess it sucks to be me." It strikes me that Wiz seemed to regard the mod as a fixpack of sorts, which could also serve as a framework to hang other mods on; the new team seems to regard it more as an overhaul/conversion process. That's just my reading of the situation, though.
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Porndwarf posted:JP Morgan-land. Nwabudike Morgan-land 
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If the jerk King of France has an antipope and I remove the jerk King, does the antipope go to?
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Does the Jewish religion really only have about 5 events? Passover, forming Israel, the Third Temple, and forming the Zealots? The only others are the occasional Jewish courtier arriving event.
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Nov 23, 2013 03:01
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Yep, and unless you have character customizer, good luck doing the ruler events!
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Nov 23, 2013 04:20
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So my Jewish realm attacked France marching troops north from Spain. I just completely destroyed their army, and I only realized where we battled once the end-of-battle popup appeared. I destroyed the French army while attacking from Spain in the Battle of Tours. Alternate History.
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Arcturas posted:So you're saying it'd be hilarious? Not really. There's no events or anything tied to them, they're just flat negatives that basically cripple the provinces affected.
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Nov 23, 2013 04:35
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I've heard there are new problems. Are there any acute ones I should be aware of until December?
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Bloodly posted:Not really. There's no events or anything tied to them, they're just flat negatives that basically cripple the provinces affected. Although if you hold a feast while highwaymen are in your capital province, you can (and almost always will) get events where your vassals get jumped by a gang of thugs on the way to the feast, which'll cause them to be pissed off at you for letting your realm go to poo poo like this.
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Mister Adequate posted:Nwabudike Morgan-land Musa of Mali does exist at the right time in the game's history. I was just saddened to load him up and find that he didn't start off with like 100,000 gold or something. Someone ought to make a mini-mod with a bookmark for him and a special event chain when you go on Hajj.
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Nevermind, I'm mixed up.
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 Not a great example of amusing Crusader Kings wackiness, but the Republic of Capua launching a war to install the King of Lotharingia on the throne of Italy, whereupon the aforementioned King of Lotharingia starts fighting on the side of the current King of Italy is quite funny.
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God, I've managed to get a dude matri-married to my character's sister onto the throne of the Byzantine Empire, and pretty much the entire kingdom rose up to install some other dude on the throne. The other dude was fighting on the side of the current emperor and they have positive relations. When I assassinated the claimant I ended up getting reverse assassinated by the emperor who's throne I just protected.
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Baron Porkface posted:I've heard there are new problems. Are there any acute ones I should be aware of until December? Vassals are completely bonkers now.
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Nov 23, 2013 06:57
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El Pollo Blanco posted:
"gently caress you! I don't wanna rule Italy!"
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Nov 23, 2013 07:13
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El Pollo Blanco posted:
He likes the current King of Italy and doesn't want to see him deposed and probably-murdered, makes sense to me. Not everyone is a power-hungry despot, you know.
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So who was the idiot that decided that giving random nations in the steppe thousands of event troops for no reason was a good idea? At what point did some guy at Paradox decide "hmm, I don't think you should be able to play as the Khazars so I'll just double the free troops the nearby tribes get"? Because I really can't frame that decision as anything but a kick in the teeth to anyone who actually wanted to play as a Jewish leader.
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Nov 23, 2013 07:33
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So if I join someone in a defensive Holy War, do my vassals get pissed if I raise their levies? I'm trying to get enough piety to create the Empire of Britannia so I joined in one of the defensive Holy Wars down in Iberia.
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I'm fairly certain that only non-Crusade offensive wars give the penalty for raised levies, so you should be good.
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Non pop up siege events are amazing. That is all.
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