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Suaimhneas posted:I think it's a deliberate choice on Atlus' part to leave it ambiguous enough that you could interpret it as either sex or just making out, whichever you'd rather it be. That way they can attract that lucrative otaku creeper money without putting off the wider JRPG market. I seem to remember that Atlus USA toned down Ken's SL for the FeMC when they localizated P3P.
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Nov 26, 2013 23:52
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:Seriously, I think I've just been burned too much by Bioware's output of late when it comes to in-game relationships. Can't I just listen to your problems and be a supportive friend without any undertones of wanting to get in your pants? I'd be entirely happy if they just left the romance by the wayside and just let me be ultra-buddies with everyone. As cool as it would be to have a let's be best friends route with everyone, I fear that they'd be more likely have a EVERYONE IS IN LOVE WITH MC option if they try to be more inclusive/ape from Bioware's book. On a more positive note, Persona 5 better take advantage of the work on Dance all Night and have a club where you can actually dance with your social link/date. "You spent a long time with Rise...at the club."
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Nov 26, 2013 23:53
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I seem to remember that Atlus USA toned down Ken's SL for the FeMC when they localizated P3P. ...that was the toned down version? I guess there's only so much toning you can do, there's no way of making that not super creepy.
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Nov 26, 2013 23:55
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I seem to remember that Atlus USA toned down Ken's SL for the FeMC when they localizated P3P.
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Nov 26, 2013 23:55
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I seem to remember that Atlus USA toned down Ken's SL for the FeMC when they localizated P3P. From what I understood, there was very little toning down, just one or two lines? Do you have concrete examples?
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Nov 26, 2013 23:59
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Crabtree posted:As cool as it would be to have a let's be best friends route with everyone, I fear that they'd be more likely have a EVERYONE IS IN LOVE WITH MC option if they try to be more inclusive/ape from Bioware's book. That's what I took away from Persona 4. 
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Nov 27, 2013 00:11
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Strange Quark posted:Seconding this only because I would really like to know what they're saying other than BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY. The lyrics are available on the MegaTen wiki.
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Nov 27, 2013 01:26
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Atlus USA has a Black Friday sale going on. SMTIV is going to be $30 and all DLC will be under $2. On PSN P4A: Ultimate $22.99 P4A $14.99 P4G $19.99 per Atlus' twitter. Dehry fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 01:46
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Aren't all or most of the lyrics on the Megaten wiki discerned by ear? Like I don't think there were ever official sources for them. I remember this being the case for P4G's songs when it was just released in NA, so maybe things have changed.
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Nov 27, 2013 02:03
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My best source for Persona 4 lyrics have been the P4 Anime bluray. They have a dedicated subtitle track for music and that's all.
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Nov 27, 2013 02:13
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Strange Quark posted:Aren't all or most of the lyrics on the Megaten wiki discerned by ear? Like I don't think there were ever official sources for them. I remember this being the case for P4G's songs when it was just released in NA, so maybe things have changed. Actually, most of the booklets that come with the soundtracks have lyrics in them. At least that's the case for the P3, P3FES, P3P, and P3 Reincarnation albums!
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Nov 27, 2013 02:14
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Dehry posted:Persona 4 Golden is Is there any way to transfer saves from the physical to the digital version? Going cart-less might be nice. E: Also, still seeing ~2.50-3.00 items in the SMT4 DLC store, you sure the sale's started? 404GoonNotFound fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 02:37
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SMT stuff starts on Thursday, when the eShop updates. I did it during the last $20 sale, all I did was take out my cartridge, download to the same SD card my saves were on and kept going.
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Nov 27, 2013 03:30
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Captain Mog posted:This might sound stupid but I'm personally hoping for either character(s) of color or LGBT character(s) with romance options for both. I was a tad offended that they'd include hints towards Kanji's sexuality and not make him a romance option. I mean the cast doesn't have to be a diversity parade or anything but something other than the typical white-bread characters prevalent in JRPGs would be nice and if any series is good with delivering likable characters, its this one. I thought the whole thing with Kanji was that people thought he was gay because he was into knitting and stuff? 
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Nov 27, 2013 04:01
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Booky posted:I thought the whole thing with Kanji was that people thought he was gay because he was into knitting and stuff? It's symbolic~
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Nov 27, 2013 04:03
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The entire point of Kanji's character was that it didn't matter whether or not he was gay. It was about gender roles and stereotypes, not necessarily sexuality.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:31
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Kanji is kind of a weird example. His moral was mostly about gender roles, yes, in his liking cute things and the crossdressing and all that not automatically meaning he's gay. But he does get flustered at times around attractive men, even though he violently reacts afterwards. I think there might be undertones of him being a bit bendy but since he and Naoto are OTP it isn't really explored. Hell, his relationship with Naoto is even more proof of that. He liked her before he knew she was a girl because he liked her as a *person*, not a gender. Which as far as lessons go, that is a drat good one
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Nov 27, 2013 04:57
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Romancing with Kanji is a bad idea to begin when I never saw any sign of him being interested in being in a relationship with Narukami. On the other hand, the women in the party just crazy for Yu like dogs in heat before you know it. Kanji wanted Naoto and that just didn't quite pan out like he wanted to. I'm not a huge fan of forcing homosexual romances just because, like Bioware does. If you're gonna do it, do it right, not because of PROGRESS.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:00
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Endorph posted:The entire point of Kanji's character was that it didn't matter whether or not he was gay. It was about gender roles and stereotypes, not necessarily sexuality. Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking about Kanji.  It's a pretty nice lesson about gender roles too (about how guys/girls can still like supposed girly/guy things).
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Nov 27, 2013 05:05
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If anything, Naoto's character is LITERALLY an issue with gender identity issues and nobody talks as much about her as Kanji because Kanji's mentions homosexuality more blatantly. It's interesting as well that both of them actually suffer from much the same issue, just from different sides of the spectrum. But nobody talks about Naoto's story arc as much as they do about Kanji's.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:29
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BottledBodhisvata posted:If anything, Naoto's character is LITERALLY an issue with gender identity issues and nobody talks as much about her as Kanji because Kanji's mentions homosexuality more blatantly. It's interesting as well that both of them actually suffer from much the same issue, just from different sides of the spectrum. But nobody talks about Naoto's story arc as much as they do about Kanji's. I had a friend who was entirely convinced that Naoto was a FtM transexual. I guess I could kinda see it, but at the time I thought it was just he was just projecting, given he was FtM himself. I think it's more along the lines of 'I like manly things but society says girls should like girly things and men should like manly things, so I should pretend to be a man', myself.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:32
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Hellioning posted:I had a friend who was entirely convinced that Naoto was a FtM transexual. Wouldn't that kind of remove the point of her Shadow? Edit: Like, the actual physical effect rather than the psychological ramifications, of course.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:35
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alcharagia posted:Wouldn't that kind of remove the point of her Shadow? It would also remove the point of her "conclusion" which is to accept herself for who she is and not for what she wants to be. Her image of masculinity was a fictional ideal, and it was one she developed solely in response to society's impressions of her. It was psychologically unhealthy, which is why she had to overcome it.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:40
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alcharagia posted:Wouldn't that kind of remove the point of her Shadow? Yeah, I'm almost entirely certain that it was just them projecting their issues onto her.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:44
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I feel like people who make the "Naoto is trans" argument tend to ignore the role that her age plays in her self-perception, and focus on the literal intentions of her Shadow while ignoring the larger, stated theme of her need to be taken seriously in a field that already has plenty of excuses to discount her. I know people who assert it's completely unambiguous that she's trans, and that Kanji is also gay, but I feel like they're missing large parts of what makes those characters interesting by focusing entirely on their sexuality.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:45
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They would have to ignore Naoto's appearance in Golden's epilogue as well.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:49
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Naoto literally says it wasn't really about her gender identity after the fight with her Shadow. I don't mind people taking things a certain way for whatever reason, be it projection or something else, but a lot of people state these things like they're facts, and then call you some sort of -ist when you disagree.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:55
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To be honest, Kanji's character arc, at least the way I saw it, was him dealing with a mixture of repressed sexuality and dealing with the lack of a middle ground between his perceived manliness, his hobbies and his peaking interest in men. I usually write off the teasing of pairing with Naoto as just single target sexuality, or just liking her no matter what gender he thinks Naoto was. They way I came out of it was understanding that Kanji went both ways, however his fear of acceptance and the lack of what he saw as manliness in his knitting and such was the major part of his character arc. I left it as, yeah he's probably bi, but pushing that aside, he's a guy having to live up to common perceptions of manliness and didn't see some of his more hidden interests as part of that and thought it would alienate him from people accepting him. I do want to note that again, P4G making him essentially boring in the end was a way wrong step to go. Naoto is a bit of a different beast. I saw her issues as "in the field that I absolutely love and was passed onto me by my grandfather, my gender is heavily inferior and unless I am a male, I can't be who I want to be". I always took away the fact that were female detectives taken more seriously, her issues with being a girl might be as large, and again P4G has her dressing completely like a girl so at some point she either realizes that she can get by on her vast amounts of skill alone, or something else came up. Those are my opinions at least, and I do agree that people just seriously look directly into sexuality and leave out the big picture.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:00
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Speaking of Naoto, someone tell me than that godawful novel with the cyborg dude isn't canon.jonjonaug posted:From what I understood, there was very little toning down, just one or two lines? Nothing concrete sadly, the only evidence that I can found is references on TV tropes about Ken's link being edited to tone down the implications of a relationship with the FeMC.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:01
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Speaking of Naoto, someone tell me than that godawful novel with the cyborg dude isn't canon. I'm pretty sure most of the non game material is non canon.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:03
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Speaking of Naoto, someone tell me than that godawful novel with the cyborg dude isn't canon. The what with the who?
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Nov 27, 2013 06:05
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ManSeriesBrofist posted:To be honest, Kanji's character arc, at least the way I saw it…
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Nov 27, 2013 06:06
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A Bystander posted:The what with the who? There's a light novel starring Naoto. Her partner is a male Aigisbot that turns into a motorcycle.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:07
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A Bystander posted:The what with the who?  It's called Persona X Detective Naoto.
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A Bystander posted:The what with the who? E:f;b This loving thing http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Persona_x_Detective_Naoto 
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Nov 27, 2013 06:07
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It's pretty good, you guys should give it a read, digs into Naoto's character some more and the new guy is actually a cool dude.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:10
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TurnipFritter posted:There's a light novel starring Naoto. Her partner is a male Aigisbot that turns into a motorcycle. That sounds really dumb. Should I choose to subject myself to it, what should I expect beyond a probably terrible story?
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Nov 27, 2013 06:10
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Mustach posted:Agreed, aside from the last bit about him being boring. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Because it's just a picture of the cast about a year later, and there's no real character stuff to go off, the way they designed him completely stripped him of his characteristics at least from a visual and aesthetic standpoint.
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Oh, I thought you meant "in the end" as in "overall". Gotcha. I can't remember the picture, though; yet another reason to finish the game again, I suppose.
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