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A whole lot of people manage to not be homeless and not be in the military. There's always something, it's just you usually don't get a magic ticket that takes you from broke as hell to rich as gently caress instantly.
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Oxford Comma posted:Can we move this thread to E/N because people asking for advice on joining the military always post the saddest vignettes of life imaginable. gleep gloop posted:A whole lot of people manage to not be homeless and not be in the military. There's always something, it's just you usually don't get a magic ticket that takes you from broke as hell to rich as gently caress instantly. genderstomper58 posted:Also lots of companies love getting employees more education and there are options for having an employer for your schooling depending who you sign on with. So when you guys jerk off in front of the mirror do you make eye contact with yourself or do you stare into your own rear end in a top hat from between your legs? The military is for gently caress ups and retards. If you're about to be homeless, you're probably one or the other. Give it a shot, it's easy money and free college.
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Nov 27, 2013 21:37
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Victor Vermis posted:So when you guys jerk off in front of the mirror do you make eye contact with yourself or do you stare into your own rear end in a top hat from between your legs? Autofellatio.
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Nov 27, 2013 21:38
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genderstomper58 posted:Also lots of companies love getting employees more education and there are options for having an employer for your schooling depending who you sign on with. I get $5200 a year at mine.
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I missed the word pay in my dumb post but yall get me!!
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Victor Vermis posted:So when you guys jerk off in front of the mirror do you make eye contact with yourself or do you stare into your own rear end in a top hat from between your legs? Just trying to help people from being forced into something they absolutely can not easily leave for years if they don't like it!
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Nov 28, 2013 01:11
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gleep gloop posted:Just trying to help people from being forced into something they absolutely can not easily leave for years if they don't like it! Of the people I knew who couldn't hack it in the military (whether because they were a drug addict, murderer, or so irreparably hosed up from childhood that they were immune to military programming like "occasionally wash yourself and your clothes" or "don't steal from co-workers") 100% of them would be better off eating a bullet. But yeah, I'm sure if they avoided the military in the first place and instead just did something, anything, they could have been getting paid to go to school by a civilian employer. Doing four years is not the end of anyone's world- especially if they're already aware that their next four+ years is going to be poo poo.
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Victor Vermis posted:Of the people I knew who couldn't hack it in the military (whether because they were a drug addict, murderer, or so irreparably hosed up from childhood that they were immune to military programming like "occasionally wash yourself and your clothes" or "don't steal from co-workers") 100% of them would be better off eating a bullet. It would be one thing if the stories in this thread went along the lines of this: "Hey I'm 19 and graduated high school a few months ago. I don't have the money to pay for college, so the GI Bill looks like something good. What's the best way to get the GI Bill without having my life suck for four years." Instead they're usually: "Guys I'm 34, suffer from crippling anxiety, and became addicted to opioids after taking them following the spinal surgery that left my unable to turn my head left. My girlfriend and son just moved in with another guy. I figure the Army is a good way to straighten up my life. I signed up to be a Laundry Technician for six years because my recruiter said I can make six figures a year doing this after the military. I ship out in a week. VALIDATE MY QUESTIONABLE LIFE CHOICE!"
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Oxford Comma posted:It would be one thing if the stories in this thread went along the lines of this: "Hey I'm 19 and graduated high school a few months ago. I don't have the money to pay for college, so the GI Bill looks like something good. What's the best way to get the GI Bill without having my life suck for four years." I guess you came away from the military with an entirely different opinion of it than I did, because eventually rocking stripes in the laundry room and lording over the lesser tards while collecting a paycheck twice a month is a goddamn dream come true for example #2. Being in the military -and not even being able to drink legally- is a goddamn nightmare for example #1.
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Thanksgiving awkwardness. My brother wanted me to talk to his nephew about joining the Air Force. My brother retired back in 2003 so he wanted me to give his son some perspective to how it is now. He's 20 years old, a bit sperg touched, and just bombed out of his second year of college. In front of the family I told my nephew its a terrible idea. If all you want is a job, they have gas stations and casinos all over the place in Vegas. I told him if none of my advice sticks and he still wants to do it give me a call. His mom was pissed I talked so harsh to her little baby boy. I feel kinda bad. He would get eaten alive out there. He's not quite right, mostly cuz his mummy dearest washed his rear end till the age of 11. Part of me feels this would be a good way for him to get his head outta his rear end, some social skills, and a world away from his mom. But at the same time the AF is gay, he would be throwing away 4 years of his time, and I would legitimately feel bad for whoever is gonna have to work with him. At the end of a one on one with him, I told him don't. He's going for a software engineering degree and feels he knows how he hosed up school and can do it right this time. As far as I knew there isn't an AFSC that builds programs, recruiters will tell you there is but it is just a glorified help desk. If he absolutely has to enlist I told him he could get legit networking and computer hardware experience. He also has a gift for languages. Dude speaks English, Thai, and Japanese. And I feel the linguist community would be the most likely to be as (if not more) spergy than he is. Did I do that situation right? Anything else I should let him know about? Is there not actually any programmer AFSCs or is that something I made up in my head cuz I never drank with one?
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If the kid is a bit of a gently caress up and clown, he very well could enlist, screw that up, and get bounced on a dishonorable or an OTH.
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Or just plain old failure to adapt on the best case. If he's pro with languages, maybe crypto linguist, or whatever that AF call it? It'd probably be least gay option if he does join up. Then again, I don't know much about the air force except that they seem to chill a lot, get some nice bases and don't appear to be so loving stupid as the army.
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There was also an army soldier in my class at DLI that failed out and got reclassed into the crazy-difficult programming job, she immediately failed out of that too because it's loving hard. They normally only take people who reenlist so I don't know anything about it, I just have a programmer friend who really wanted it. Doubt he wants to take that chance, though, especially since you have to sign for 6 years for crypto linguist.
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:Railroads are hiring. Being a new hire conductor probably sucks as bad as being in the military but you'll get paid more and can quit at any time. Hey veins, what's your read on getting a job with the railroads and maybe getting to drive trains or some poo poo? Like, is that a viable career path that is open and hiring? I know you work for the railroads, don't you?
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CISNAZI WEEDHITLER posted:Hey veins, what's your read on getting a job with the railroads and maybe getting to drive trains or some poo poo? Like, is that a viable career path that is open and hiring? I know you work for the railroads, don't you? Metro North had yet another accident today. working on a train these days has got to be insane.
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CISNAZI WEEDHITLER posted:Hey veins, what's your read on getting a job with the railroads and maybe getting to drive trains or some poo poo? Like, is that a viable career path that is open and hiring? I know you work for the railroads, don't you? Probably not good if you've done a lot of drugs recently. Probably better than joining the military if you want a white collar wage doing blue collar work.
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holocaust bloopers posted:If the kid is a bit of a gently caress up and clown, he very well could enlist, screw that up, and get bounced on a dishonorable or an OTH. See the thing is, he isn't a gently caress up or a troublemaker. He's just useless in the most harmless ways. Intelegent enough to memorize the pdg and tech data but too dumb to understand social concepts and other people. Reminds me of the rainmen in supply Ive encountered that I hate. Super able to coast on test scores and absolutely ok with having his rear end wiped for him. The more I think about it, the AF would be a good fit for him in the worst possible way. 
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KirbyKhan posted:See the thing is, he isn't a gently caress up or a troublemaker. He's just useless in the most harmless ways. Intelegent enough to memorize the pdg and tech data but too dumb to understand social concepts and other people. While it may not be true of all branches/jobs, an inability to understand social concepts isn't necessarily going to affect his work when most of the day is spent interacting with people who are identified by/the embodiment of the number of stripes on their sleeve and/or the billet they hold. The tier of people you interact with on a daily basis as human beings is rather small in comparison to the literal Army of strangers who, luckily enough, are conforming to rules of interaction that are hammered into you from day one. As a bonus when dealing with strangers, you'll only ever have to learn 10 names: your branch's enlisted ranks from E1 through E9 and "Sir". 100% of the people I dealt with on a daily basis were guys I'd never have encountered in the civilian world, but whether they became my bestest bros or just another person I'd struggle to tolerate, you find a way to relate to them or minimize how weird they are (ie only speak to them in a professional capacity, which is easy because your job is your life while you're under contract) and continue on. If none of that rings true to anyone's experience in the Air Force, I guess I'll take this opportunity to suggest The United States Marine Corps as an ideal branch for socially awkward weirdos. Oohrah and smemper fi.
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Victor Vermis posted:
This is very true. We have an entire generation of socially retarded spergs that joined the Marine Corps to prove to their families that they were tough enough to be a Marine. Just keep him away from the combat arms jobs since the alpha male complex is usually worse there.
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Hekk posted:Just keep him away from [0311s and 0331s] since the alpha male complex is usually worse there.
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Did the pay scale for AF officers change? I swear it was higher than 34-42k for an O-1. Also if I want to go into logistics, is joining a terrible idea? Probably, huh?
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Stolennosferatu posted:Did the pay scale for AF officers change? I swear it was higher than 34-42k for an O-1. http://www.militaryfactory.com/2014-military-pay-scale-chart.asp Basically, yes.
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Stolennosferatu posted:Did the pay scale for AF officers change? I swear it was higher than 34-42k for an O-1. It changes every year. Generally not a big change, now that whatever scale they use says military pay has caught back up to its civilian counterpart. But it didn't go down, since it sounds like that's what you're asking. Keep in mind the chart only shows base pay. You'll also get BAS, BAH, and occasional perdiem/deployment stuff as well. Once you hit the 2 year mark, you start making noticeably more money with each pay raise. You'll go from 2905/mo to 3812 at that 2-year point. Another year and you're up to 4391. At the 4-year mark it's 5168. Again, not including the allowances and other pay.
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Stolennosferatu posted:Did the pay scale for AF officers change? I swear it was higher than 34-42k for an O-1. You have no chance of getting into the Air Force as a Logistics Readiness Officer. They are letting ROTC seniors and 2Lts awaiting their EAD, who are already tapped to be LROs, walk away from their commitment Scott Free. The next two years will be a bad, if not impossible, time to become an officer in the Air Force.
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Stolennosferatu posted:Did the pay scale for AF officers change? I swear it was higher than 34-42k for an O-1. You don't want to be a LRO, it is a bastardized career field that was created out of combining three separate career fields into one (and really at least one if not two of those career fields probably should've been split into a couple of career fields as well). It is the definition of jack of all trades, master of none, except you are expected to be a master of everything. Also as an officer you don't get to get your AFSC in a "contract" like you would if you were enlisting, you just get accepted for a commissioning program (good luck with that) and then at some point down the road into your commissioning program (AFROTC/OTS/Academy) you put in a dream sheet for jobs, they may or may not give you what you want. Totally dependent on needs of the AF...and as was pointed out LROs (along with most non-rated officer career fields) isn't really something they need right now. Also also yeah, it is going to be pretty much impossible to get a commission in the AF for the next couple of years.
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Well the army still seems to be accepting OCS option recruits. My recruiters are pretty sure most people with a 3.0 GPA or higher and can do good on a pt test will be accepted.
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The Army hasn't been cut nearly as deep as the Air Force yet. The AF is still running people through OTS, but I think there are only one or two student squadrons (there were five when I went through in 04) and there are fewer classes altogether. FY14 has only 8 classes, and there were at least 20 in 04.
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iyaayas01 posted:You don't want to be a LRO... Oh, well then I guess that's not an option. I took the tests and did really well (in 2011), but I don't want to go into the air force without knowing what I am going to do. Two more things: I probably remembered incorrectly about the pay scale. So the new pay scale probably makes more sense than what I was thinking. Also, will any branch let you put your job in the contract if you're commissioned or is it only possible with enlisting? Stolennosferatu fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Dec 5, 2013 |
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Stolennosferatu posted:Also, will any branch let you put your job in the contract if you're commissioned or is it only possible with enlisting? The Navy does for OCS. Not sure about other branches. You'll apply and get selected for a specific designator (e.g., supply corps if you want to do logistics) that goes on the contract you sign before going to OCS.
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Stolennosferatu posted:Also, will any branch let you put your job in the contract if you're commissioned or is it only possible with enlisting? The AF only does it for three jobs: pilot, navigator, air battle manager. These are the "rated" jobs, and they meet a separate board from the plebs.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:The Navy does for OCS. Not sure about other branches. You'll apply and get selected for a specific designator (e.g., supply corps if you want to do logistics) that goes on the contract you sign before going to OCS. The Marine Corps does not let officers pick their field before OCS. Much like what was alluded to before, officer candidates are given a wishlist. Toward the end of their training, they are split into three groups based on their academic standings (Top Third, Middle Third, and Bottom Third). Those who are near the front of each third are given field choices closer to their top picks. This supposedly helps evenly distribute talent throughout fields rather than focus it in fields that are more popular.
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Godholio posted:The AF only does it for three jobs: pilot, navigator, air battle manager. These are the "rated" jobs, and they meet a separate board from the plebs. And even then this is only true for OTS...if you do AFROTC or Academy you won't hit the boarding portion until you're a couple years into the program, and there's no guarantee you'll be selected for a rated slot (chances are a fair amount higher at the Academy of course). \/ A valid point...and I wouldn't recommend the Academy to anyone for a whole variety of reasons in addition to that \/ iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Dec 6, 2013 |
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iyaayas01 posted:(chances are a fair amount higher at the Academy of course). Chances are also higher that you'll be narc-ed out by your peers.
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Are there any threads dedicated to reserves? I'm considering it just for some of the benefits offered and of course the cash boost too.
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Crunchtime posted:Are there any threads dedicated to reserves? I'm considering it just for some of the benefits offered and of course the cash boost too. Which service's reserve?
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I'm thinking AF. but my knowledge on every service is limited.
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read the AF thread if you want to see why joining it is a terrible idea (it's the people)
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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:read the AF thread if you want to see why joining it is a terrible idea (it's the people) This is very true.
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So I'm kind of considering joining a branch of the military, don't know which yet because my life atm is kind of going downhill. I'm midway through college but most likely I'm going to drop out soon because I've been a lazy gently caress up who procrastinates way too much for my own good, which means my parents sure as hell aren't going to continue paying my tuition. I'm kind of leaning towards national guard right now because looking at their education benefits on http://usmilitary.about.com/ they apparently cover 100% of the cost for Ohio state schools which is what I'm attending. I assume their coverage depends on what kind of degree I'm going for but since that's medical technology I don't really see that being an issue. My only real reservation about it right now is that, simply put, I'm a scrawny motherfucker with the muscle mass of a rubber band which is obviously something I'd need to fix before hand. Honestly I kind of feel like the reason I've been procrastinating so much is that I've kind of been going through a slump for well...the past few years really, and I feel forcing myself to go through basic training and being shouted at by a drill sergeant might actually be just the thing to pull me out of it and help me get back on track. Am I being a massive idiot for even considering this or does this actually seem remotely feasible? Obviously I'm happy to provide more information if you guys need it to chew me out.
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