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Codependent Poster posted:Unfortunately it also means he's writing them again in the "second season" where they hunt down Arcade. And no proper Runaways. God dammit. Marvel I just want a good Runaways Comic. Hell, you can even bring in Clara if you just don't talk about her back story at all. I'll be fine with it. Is that too hard? ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Nov 29, 2013 |
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Brevoort mentioned that Runaways is a tough sell since the original concept has pretty much run it's course. It's going to take a special writer/story to get editorial to greenlight another Runaways series. Kind of like Young Avengers, it's better to let the characters simmer on the back burner than to run with a series that may damage the brand.
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Die Laughing posted:Brevoort mentioned that Runaways is a tough sell since the original concept has pretty much run it's course. It's going to take a special writer/story to get editorial to greenlight another Runaways series. Kind of like Young Avengers, it's better to let the characters simmer on the back burner than to run with a series that may damage the brand. A series that may damage the brand like the series all the characters are in right now? Or Children's Crusade?
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I'm honestly surprised Runaways hasn't gotten a movie its got a brilliant log line " A group of teenagers learn their parents are supervillians and must band together to stop them". Like how do you not at least green light that?
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Hollismason posted:I'm honestly surprised Runaways hasn't gotten a movie its got a brilliant log line " A group of teenagers learn their parents are supervillians and must band together to stop them". Runaways as a movie has been in development hell since something like 2006. Last I heard, Marvel's looking at taking another shot with it as a post-Phase 3 movie.
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Claytor posted:Runaways as a movie has been in development hell since something like 2006. Last I heard, Marvel's looking at taking another shot with it as a post-Phase 3 movie. And wasn't it right around the Airbender debacle that they circulated a casting call for what was clearly Nico, but asking for a white chick?
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Hollismason posted:I'm honestly surprised Runaways hasn't gotten a movie its got a brilliant log line " A group of teenagers learn their parents are supervillians and must band together to stop them". To be honest, I think the greatest strength of runaways as a potential movie pitch when it was written is something of a minus side now; They are super powered characters in the marvel universe who have no particular link with the wider marvel universe. That would have worked for them pre-iron man, but now that marvel films is a thing rather than simply licensing out bits and pieces, the runaways dont have a hook to tie in to guardians of the galaxy/avengers 2/whatever the next big ensemble piece they want to do. If I had to guess, we might see a runaways movie when they are running low on things that actually tie together (basically when they have made "The Defenders" or "West Coast Avengers" or "Excalibur" and it hasnt done the same business as avengers 6) if they decide to try some less continuity heavy movies. Or if they have to recast several of the headline superheroes at the same time I could see the runaways being put out as a stop gap while they work out who is going to take over as (whoever retires first). I always thought the runaways would make a decent movie (or a really great TV miniseries) because they have a good story arc with a definate ending. Which is also incidently why I like to pretend that no-one except vaughan ever tried to write the comic because everyone else kind of stunk up the joint. Plus with how heavily involved Whedon has been in marvels movies in general I would be concerned about the quality of a runaways movie with him anywhere near it (not a knock on his marvel films so much as dear god his runaways writing was dreadful).
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SiKboy posted:To be honest, I think the greatest strength of runaways as a potential movie pitch when it was written is something of a minus side now; They are super powered characters in the marvel universe who have no particular link with the wider marvel universe. That would have worked for them pre-iron man, but now that marvel films is a thing rather than simply licensing out bits and pieces, the runaways dont have a hook to tie in to guardians of the galaxy/avengers 2/whatever the next big ensemble piece they want to do. If I had to guess, we might see a runaways movie when they are running low on things that actually tie together (basically when they have made "The Defenders" or "West Coast Avengers" or "Excalibur" and it hasnt done the same business as avengers 6) if they decide to try some less continuity heavy movies. Or if they have to recast several of the headline superheroes at the same time I could see the runaways being put out as a stop gap while they work out who is going to take over as (whoever retires first). If the Netflix Defenders stuff does well I wouldn't be shocked to see Runaways in a possible Phase 2 of that kind of thing.
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SiKboy posted:To be honest, I think the greatest strength of runaways as a potential movie pitch when it was written is something of a minus side now; They are super powered characters in the marvel universe who have no particular link with the wider marvel universe. That would have worked for them pre-iron man, but now that marvel films is a thing rather than simply licensing out bits and pieces, the runaways dont have a hook to tie in to guardians of the galaxy/avengers 2/whatever the next big ensemble piece they want to do. Yup. This is probably why it went from being close to a greenlight back in 2010 - it had a director, a start date, and there had been a casting call - to being (apparently) totally off Marvel Studios' radar at this point.
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I know isn't a popular book but the run of James Tynion IV on Red Hood & The Outlaws is a steaming piece of poo poo. As a character, Jason Todd has been notorious by lacking direction, aside of the story who brought him back 'Under the Hood' (and even then it was kind of mediocre, the animated movie is miles better) he has just kind of being there. For most writers the only distinct features that Jason has is being the bad robin, the crazy gun-toting batman and essentially, a bargain bin Joker for Dick Grayson. Him leading a title was pretty unexpected and more with the odd premise (or more properly his co-protagonists) but Lobdell somehow managed to write a good book with great character moments. There wasn't a long term plot or end game and the book was mostly builded on one-shot adventures that moved forward its leads. Lobdell ended his run closing loose ends on Jason's character and finally letting him be more than the bad robin (it helped that the N52 retconned Jason's worst actions)    So how Tynion choose to open his run?  By having an editor note saying that his first issue is a sequel for another book than shipped a month later, everything went on a downward spiral to mediocrity and idiocy from there. Tynion sloppily tried to retcon everything Lobdell did on the book and he wrote the characters trying to cater everyone who complained by the first issue and never bothered to pick up the book again with really mixed results. And the kicker were the last pages   Tynion used one of the oldest tricks on the book and erased Jason's memory with the focus of his arc being recovering it, this only left us with whiny Bitch Jason Todd and his useless companions. Roy went from a guy who was brilliant but enjoyed playing the fool to a clingy and retarded manchild (it turns out that Roy's therapist was Hugo Strange and he told him everything about Green Arrow), Kory went from a warship commander to the one who everyone beats to make a point at how dangerous are the villians (the 'worf effect') and being a frail and manipulative woman. Tynion also reintroduced the League of Assasins and turning it into a order of magical dudes with its own mythical city hidden from the outsiders.  And he added two new character to the batman lore Rictus:  December Greystone:  I don't know, maybe Tynion was being satirical and the whole thing is just a parody of the 90's comics (Jason is now the 'chosen one') but the whole thing is stupid as gently caress, and after 9 loving issues this is the resolution to the plot of Jason's amnesia:    Add the subpar art, stupid dialogue and an story that dragged by so long and is the worst things I've read.  
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That's really bad. That's "this is so poo poo that it gives me hope that I too can one day write comics" level bad.
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"December Greystone" I can think of two situations in which that name would be appropriate for a character. The first is if they're going to be mocked for picking a name from a 90s goth band song title. The second is if you're making a parody character, like Jefferson Twilight. How did that get past anything?
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What's even better is that this is the name he uses because he thinks using a codename was ridiculous and immature  "Batman is a foolish name from a foolish past, from now on I will be known as Mourning Revengefist!"
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The Flash would be way better if he was called Speedy Fastboots.
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Jerusalem posted:What's even better is that this is the name he uses because he thinks using a codename was ridiculous and immature Especially since "Blood Mage" is a pretty apt description of him and his abilities and not just a code name, or at least going by how he uses his powers there.
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WickedHate posted:Especially since "Blood Mage" is a pretty apt description of him and his abilities and not just a code name, or at least going by how he uses his powers there. It gets worse, because you can just tell that the writer most certainly stole it from some RPG (Dragon Age, maybe?). So it's like a D&D nerd graduating into vampire larps or something.
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Jerusalem posted:What's even better is that this is the name he uses because he thinks using a codename was ridiculous and immature Well, in that case, he ought to have called himself Danny Chase. 
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WickedHate posted:Especially since "Blood Mage" is a pretty apt description of him and his abilities and not just a code name, or at least going by how he uses his powers there. His powers are 'whatever the gently caress I want to do at the moment'    And paired with the robotic dude who also pull powers out of his rear end   And they felt like Tynion making canon the totally radical characters that he drawed on his trapper keeper back on high school (and he wasted two issues showing off those fuckers) Now I'm biased and I think that Cheshire is a loving awful character that deserves to rot on the comic book limbo but there's something about Tynion's Cheshire that it made me cringe. Oh and he also turned Bronze Tiger on a weretiger because.  We also have R'as Al Ghul, Sorcerer Supreme  And Jason is so badass that he can punk Shiva and defeat her with a punch  
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:And Jason is so badass that he can punk Shiva and defeat her with a punch Sidekick defeats Shiva with this one weird trick, The League of Assassins hate him! 
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Now I'm biased and I think that Cheshire is a loving awful character that deserves to rot on the comic book limbo but there's something about Tynion's Cheshire that it made me cringe. Oh and he also turned Bronze Tiger on a weretiger because.
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Say Nothing posted:Uh, is that a colorist error, or is she walking around bare-assed? I think is an artist mistake (I never noticed that detail) How is this creative team getting work? For comparison, here's how she should look (from the annual) 
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I don't read much DC. Do they contain a larger amount of 'cheesecake' than Marvel?
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Say Nothing posted:I don't read much DC. Do they contain a larger amount of 'cheesecake' than Marvel? It depends on the book but both companies have their extremely low moments and both companies feature a lot of fairly gratuitous T&A. It's not a contest anyone wins, especially with stuff like Greg Land Porn Tracing or the amazing tearing Power Girl costume.
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"Don't just stand there, Benjamin!" A+ caliber writing right there.
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Say Nothing posted:I don't read much DC. Do they contain a larger amount of 'cheesecake' than Marvel? I don't mind a certain amount of "cheesecake," but modern DC certainly objectifies female characters more than Marvel. Compare Supergirl's 80's outfit to her current one, and Psylocke's 80's outfit to her current one. Or New 52 Amanda Waller and the old one. Or new 52 Star Fire, or Harlequinn, or Catwoman.
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I mean Marvel is still bad about it in a lot of cases since it's still, you know, mainstream superhero comics, but costume design is an area where one company is taking baby steps forward while the other is actually regressing from where it was 25 years ago
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I got a lot of flak already for my opinion on N52 Starfire but oddly enough, I felt honestly creeped out by N52 Cheshire. Unlike Kory who was more than met the eye (under Lobdell's since Tynion's is awful) I found Cheshire unidimensional, shallow and with serious mary sue-ish traits, the way she has been written with all that emphasis on her sexuality as weapon and her dynamic with Roy made me cringe (she wants Roy as her pet, Roy nicknamed her 'sexy crazy cat lady'). Probably is just a kneejerk reaction to Tynion's awful writing but I still found it odd.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I got a lot of flak already for my opinion on N52 Starfire but oddly enough, I felt honestly creeped out by N52 Cheshire. Unlike Kory who was more than met the eye (under Lobdell's since Tynion's is awful) I found Cheshire unidimensional, shallow and with serious mary sue-ish traits, the way she has been written with all that emphasis on her sexuality as weapon and her dynamic with Roy made me cringe (she wants Roy as her pet, Roy nicknamed her 'sexy crazy cat lady').
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Morrison did that way back in Final Crisis It was easily the worst thing about Final Crisis
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PupsOfWar posted:Morrison did that way back in Final Crisis I am pretty sure that was all set up in Countdown.
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Yeah, creepy Mary Marvel was all Didio's show. loving Countdown, man.
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welp that makes me glad(der) I skipped that!
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Mr. Maltose posted:Yeah, creepy Mary Marvel was all Didio's show.  which cycles from amazing to terrible back around to something quite special. redbackground fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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Is been a while since I read Countdown but its Evil Mary Marvel was stupid but pretty inofensive regarding cheesecake (or at least not worse than the usual on superhero comics). IIRC they were trying to turn Mary into you average Femme Fatale villianess. Morrison's was really odd:  But I'm pretty sure that was an intentional jab to the grim & gritty reboots for characters, and the in-story explanation made kind of sense (she was possesed by Desaad).
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redbackground posted:Did give us this, though: No, I'm pretty sure it just cycles to amazing. I've never seen that before now, but I loving love Hal Jordan as a flail. e: Or is that Rayner? e2: gently caress it, why does it matter? It's beautiful.
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TwoPair posted:No, I'm pretty sure it just cycles to amazing. I've never seen that before now, but I loving love Hal Jordan as a flail. It's Kyle, and it was the only part of Countdown that I enjoyed.
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PupsOfWar posted:I mean Marvel is still bad about it in a lot of cases since it's still, you know, mainstream superhero comics, but costume design is an area where one company is taking baby steps forward while the other is actually regressing from where it was 25 years ago It seems like a few years ago, both Marvel and DC realized at once that they had some non-trivial number of women reading their books. DC reacted by trying to push them away and Marvel reacted by slowly trying to make the books more appealing to them. This is not to say that anyone at DC ever consciously decided to alienate the female demographic, but I think it comes hand in hand with that "our average customer is a 45-year-old white man" thing they have going on.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Is been a while since I read Countdown but its Evil Mary Marvel was stupid but pretty inofensive regarding cheesecake (or at least not worse than the usual on superhero comics). IIRC they were trying to turn Mary into you average Femme Fatale villianess.
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And he's not just talking about Desaad. Final Crisis may have suffered for the meta-narrative it used, but that line is pretty drat sharp.
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Yeah, Mary Marvel was 100% intentional. Also kind of amazing that Morrison put in a plot to comment on a dumb plotline other people had set up in the retroactive prelude they hired other people to make to his series. I'm not sure if Final Crisis is a masterpiece in spite of or because of the fact that it had the worst editorial influence and lack of influence ever.
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