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If I was the Cronus pilot I'd start to consider taking half-hearted potshots at the Griffin, depending on whether I'd think I could avoid aggro. The Griffin is in a much better shape than the Huron Warrior having taken only about 40% damage compared to it, and has more ammo left, but it's only renewable weapon being at significant risk means it could be stuck with just one SRM and chasing the Huron for physicals on its own initiative at any time. Bit of a pity for the TDF that the +1 to-hit was lost, otherwise the SRM flight would've missed and it'd be more likely they'll both run out of ammo, giving the Cronus a better chance. But it was unlikely to make such a large difference, and even if either of them finishes off the other this round they'll only have 5 or 2 rounds left. Without either having initiative over the other that also makes melee more difficult (but not virtually impossible if orders to 'chase' the enemy is allowed to simulate knowing where the enemy goes first without actually knowing out of game) except against the Cronus for any potential victor, but I suppose that's always a last resort, at least for the Capellan mech, since there's nowhere to run. Commendations to both teams for both trouncing the TDF spectacularly and then making this exciting again! How did the Griffin's pilot suffer two pilot hits again? I seem to remember it had something to do with being hit by the Rommel Tank, but that doesn't make sense... Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Dec 1, 2013 |
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He suffered two pilot hits because he didn't send orders (before not sending orders was cool) and got electrocuted.
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Dec 1, 2013 19:40
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Shouldn't I be suffering a movement penalty from over heating? Just want to confirm it so I don't make a dumb(er) move.
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Dec 1, 2013 21:18
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Any error that benefits the player/s is canon?  (guess the pedantic definition of that depends on whether it's in plural or singular)Well, it's PvP so that probably doesn't apply, at least in spirit.
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Readingaccount posted:If I was the Cronus pilot I'd start to consider taking half-hearted potshots at the Griffin, depending on whether I'd think I could avoid aggro. Wasn't there a recent fluff entry where the Cronus pilot stated that he was rooting for Team Also-Davions at the moment? Sure, he's a Taurian and can change his mind at the drop of a hat (and they were the side that dropped nukes on the planet in the first place), but I think he might hold off on taking potshots at the moment, but maybe he'll start firing once one side is wrecked and the other has taking heavy damage doing so.
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Ferrosol posted:Shouldn't I be suffering a movement penalty from over heating? Just want to confirm it so I don't make a dumb(er) move. I forgot to record it. You're at 4/6/4 this turn.
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GhostStalker posted:Wasn't there a recent fluff entry where the Cronus pilot stated that he was rooting for Team Also-Davions at the moment? Sure, he's a Taurian and can change his mind at the drop of a hat (and they were the side that dropped nukes on the planet in the first place), but I think he might hold off on taking potshots at the moment, but maybe he'll start firing once one side is wrecked and the other has taking heavy damage doing so. The Cronus is probably willing to leave its feelings as well enough alone unless the opposition fires at Taurian forces, the Wolverine fired at the Hunter that turn, clearly angering the pilot. I'm guessing the TDF is worried about Capellan reinforcement, same as the DNS militia, if the Huron survives, buying enough time for the Jade Emperor to free its mechs, whereas if the Griffin wins it'll probably just be 1 mech, as the survivors on the dropship will probably scuttle the mechs leaving little if any salvage. Actually I think I wouldn't fire after all as the Cronus, I forgot the Griffin's ammo is also in the torso, so if he loses it he's weaponless. I still say this is more than slightly favorable to the Griffin though, with just 3 rounds left and a 2-4-6 range on that Medium Pulse Laser versus a PPC it seems quite likely those last three shots won't connect after which the Griffin can just jump away from a Huron forced to run, using the superior range of its PPC. The Cronus should intervene somewhere between the Huron and the Griffin running out of ammo. > I think PTN is just making it clear they're both valid choices, and that the important thing for the DNS is that the Huron goes down so it doesn't recover its allies, and whether it's willing to risk leaving that to the Cronus. Probably the same primary reason why the Cronus wants the Capellans to lose. The Huron doesn't have a choice but to stay and fight though. Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Dec 3, 2013 |
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The fluff seems to be hinting that the Griffin's best bet is to get the hell out of there. It's going to be a pyrrhic victory no matter who 'wins', since every side has been equally savaged.
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Scintilla posted:The fluff seems to be hinting that the Griffin's best bet is to get the hell out of there. It's going to be a pyrrhic victory no matter who 'wins', since every side has been equally savaged. Wrecked-up 'mechs are worth their weight in gold, even if they are radioactive as gently caress.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Wrecked-up 'mechs are worth their weight in gold, even if they are radioactive as gently caress. Dear btech spergs: is this true? What is the value of gold in the future of the eighties? Are fusion engines and artificial muscles and magic space armor more of less valuable per pound?
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A tonne of gold is about $40 million now, so unless they find masses of the stuff, probably not.
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goatface posted:A tonne of gold is about $40 million now, so unless they find masses of the stuff, probably not. You need to convert back to 1985 gold values though.
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UGH, fine. In 1985 market prices it was about $10 million per tonne. Sarna says a C-bill is worth 5 1985 dollars, so you need something that weighs a tonne and costs 2 million C-Bills.
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I'm at work so I can't check, but I'm pretty sure 1 C-Bill is worth $20 in 1980 money So, a brand new `Mech worth 10,000,000 c-bills would be worth $200,000,000 1980s dollars. With 2010 as the baseline, 1980 had a CPI of 0.378 so in 2010 that BattleMech would be worth approximately $529,100,000. So in 2014 that `Mech will be worth approximately $578,800,000 So, half a billion modern dollars for one fully functional `Mech. If I screwed that up and it's only 1 c-bill per $10, then that number just gets cut in half. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Dec 2, 2013 |
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Gold wishes it could be worth as much as an XL Engine of the same weight.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I'm at work so I can't check, but I'm pretty sure 1 C-Bill is worth $20 in 1980 money That's better than what the US airforce has to pay.
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Teach me to use an idiom around you nerds. Sheesh.
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Actually, the markets for nearly every raw metal probably crashed once it became possible to mine asteroids.
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If you have access to asteroids, you can mine quite a lot of gold for very cheap. e. 
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We've already learnt about how Battletech views natural resources with the whole water discussion.
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You mean a single water-buffalo with 50 tons of water CAN'T sustain an entire planet for 3 months? 
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PoptartsNinja posted:You mean a single water-buffalo with perhaps 10 tons of water CAN'T sustain an entire planet for 3 months? It can, when you take Ghost Water into account.
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goatface posted:We've already learnt about how Battletech views natural resources with the whole water discussion. Mine asteroids for water. Asteroid mining is the solution to everything. PoptartsNinja posted:You mean a single water-buffalo with perhaps 10 tons of water CAN'T sustain an entire planet for 3 months? Planet Fuckyougotmine, population 3, sure! Planet anything else, I ... I still don't even understand how they thought that was at all plausible ever. I know this isn't the first time you've posted about it but I still cannot even comprehend just ... what?
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Maybe everyone on every planet that needs water shipments lives like it's loving Arrakis
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Go Huron Warrior! Finish them off! And the funny thing is Battletech's entire economy is based off the equivalent of cell phone minutes.
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DarthXaos posted:Go Huron Warrior! Finish them off! Come to think of it, the widespread adoption of prepaid cell phone minutes as currency is not only not that farfetched, but given the economic situation in some African nations it could actually be considered faintly prophetic. Which is a little scary.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Teach me to use an idiom around you nerds. Sheesh. Only thing is you got it backwards, 50 tons of broken mech in a dropship in space is worth *more* than 50 tons of broken mech stuck down on a hostile planet 
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It's clan water? Twice as hyrdrating at half the weight?
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bunnyofdoom posted:It's clan water? Twice as hyrdrating at half the weight? Clan digestive systems produce twice the urine at the cost of only half the water. Then they use Clan Bullshit Science to recycle that urine into pure potable water and end up with four times as much water as they started with.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I'm at work so I can't check, but I'm pretty sure 1 C-Bill is worth $20 in 1980 money That's about how much Striker Eureka cost so your science checks out.
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Got another request for a delay. Just wanted to keep everyone in the loop.
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According to Mechwarrior Third Edition, 1 C-Bill is equivalent to $3 US in 1999, or about $1.48 in 1980 or $3.93 in 2010 (I think). So a C10m mech would be $14.8m 1980s dollars, or $39.3m 2010 dollars. The US GDP that year was $14.5tn, or 371,053.4 BattleMech Vouchers, and the US military budget was $663.8bn, or 16,890.5 BattleMech Vouchers. Basically I'm saying that BattleTech economics makes no sense.
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Remora posted:Basically I'm saying that BattleTech economics makes no sense.
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Maybe with the myriad of worlds around, that cbills are a low-supply item. This deflationary-style economy would render the true value of a cbill much higher than a simple one to one comparison with a modern inflationary economy. Look at the great depression, for instance. Money was in such low supply that even small denominations were difficult to obtain. I'd argue this would track with comstar as a measure of control; that they'd be more than willing to dry up the monetary supply if it meant ensuring they held the vast proportion of wealth and power.
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Houses issue their own currency, the problem is that the Kroner is the only bill that historically was stable and valuable at the same time, and most of the other states didn't accept it because they were worried if they started taking S-Bills the Lyrans would be able to buy out their resources secretly. Which is why they trusted good old reliable ComStar which would never try to undermine anyone's economy. To be fair to other Houses, the Lyrans did try to do that a couple of times. It's a contributing factor to the failure of the Peace of Money movement in the 2SW.
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Luckily, ComStar fixed the value of the C-Bill to the Bitcoin, so they don't have to worry about pesky fiscal policies or what have you. All the blockchains getting forwarded around really eat up the HPG bandwidth though.
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propatriamori posted:Luckily, ComStar fixed the value of the C-Bill to the Bitcoin, so they don't have to worry about pesky fiscal policies or what have you. And that drives the price up.
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propatriamori posted:All the blockchains getting forwarded around really eat up the HPG bandwidth though.
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Time dilation goes the other way.
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`Mech Design Contest 3: Specialists! Vote! Due to the length of some of the entries, we won’t be seeing their whole fluff pieces. I will be posting one sentence from each design. As usual, a reminder of the Voting rules! Three winners will be chosen by the thread. A fourth Also, due to the large number of disqualified entries, we are also voting for a Best Disqualified `Mech. It won’t get used, but this was a tricky contest so they do deserve a little recognition. Contest Entries Atlas AS8-TH  “A Draconis Suns vehicle hunter, specialized in murdering the utter living crap out of vehicles” Axman AXM-1HG  “First amongst the problems was that the new Heavy Gauss was even bulkier than the Autocannon it replaced, forcing the designers to further offset the engine block to one side of the torso to compensate for the size and weight of the massive weapon.” Crab CRB-27AA  “Brilliance!” Firestarter FS9-APC  “The Firestarter IFV carries a full platoon of Jump Infantry, which can be deployed rapidly from the massive top hatches in its three squad-sized bays.” Griffin GRF-1N-N  “To counteract these advantages, and to capitalize the aggressiveness seen in most Clan commanders, the Sea Griffin is designed to engage in and around water and hopefully bait the enemies' superior battlemechs into an environment where their missiles and autocannons are useless and their armor can be breached by any number of lucky hits.” Helepolis HEP-4R  No Fluff Hoplite HOP-4NS  “A company-level C3 'Mech for teh (sic) Duchy of New Syrtis.” Hunchback HBK-4GH  “I took one of the Hunchback 4-G's from the SSW list that was within the current time frame and then monkeyed around with it until I was able to get jump jets and a hatchet fitted into it.” Hunchback HBK-4II  “Put simply, this mech is designed to hunt down and out maneuver Clan Light BattleMechs” Hunchback HBK-5HS  “Built from designs dating back to the fall of the Star League but never put into production, the Hunchback 5Hs was designed to be an urban assault and defense `mech capable of minimizing collateral damage.” Kintaro KTO-2NW  “By using its speed and mobility, the -2NW can maneuver itself into position (ideally behind an enemy ‘mech) while charging up its PPC.” Ostscout OTT-9R  “The Rim Worlds Republic was not keen on losing the electronic warfare advantage it had maintained after the Helm Memory Core was shared amongst the Successor States, thus the OTT-9R Ostscout was born.” Quickdraw QKD-5A-SDV  No Fluff, red paintjob and head spike not included Schrek Field Bistro  “Rather than hold out and hope they could sell the expensive tanks to another buyer, Aldis decided to go into the restaurant business.” Spider SDR-5K-T  “While "incredibly fun to pilot," the Spider SDR-5K-T quickly earned the nickname "Danger Zone" from its passengers, who noted the highly explosive ammunition bins, break-neck speeds, and the recklessness of its pilots to be more than slightly disconcerting.” Talos TLS-2F  “Using the obsolete TLS-1B as a base, the TLS-2F is designed to chase down lighter foes and take them apart with it's snub-nose PPC.” Trebuchet TBT-3CS  “The Lyrans, it was rumored, made up some hokey thing about fist-fighting with robots being an ancient Steiner battle tradition. If they could get the Clans to buy that, then could they get the Clans to accept a challenge to physical combat against a WarShip?” UrbanMech UMR-62  “The Captain-General's opinion of the design was reportedly mixed, but an enthusiastic reception by some of the more ruthless officials of the Duchy of Andurien have ensured that the design has begun to trickle into garrison forces where the potential for popular uprisings has been deemed unacceptably high.” Vindicator VND-5R  “Sometimes no amount of mustache twirling and sleeping with murder cults can keep those lazy servitors in line.” Thermal Rescue Ignii  "Designed primarily to assist in the rescue and recovery of pilots trapped in overheating mechs during training, the Thermal Rescue Ignis has a variety of features originally intended for roles in the training environment." Disqualified Entries Fafnir FNR-2B  Flea FLE-22  Hunchback HBK-4T  Marauder MAD-1X  Poleaxe PLX-2M  Sabertooth SBR-2T  Vaquero VAQ-5T  Zeus ZEU-9S9  Voting Rules Everyone gets three picks! First Pick – Worth 2 points! Second Pick – Worth 1 point! Disqualified Entry Pick – Worth 1 point! The three `Mechs (and one disqualified entry) with the most points wins, then I make my pick! PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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