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JediTalentAgent posted:guess MIB2 is one example of this: The first film ends with K getting back with his old high school sweetheart and L comes to work for the MIB. I can't say 100%, but I think the actress was annoying to the rest of the cast when making the first one, so they knew early on that they didn't want her back. Given the story has a literal memory wiper, it's not the worst example.
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That could be true. Kevin Smith said she was terrible to work with on Dogma. Actually Kevin Smith bitches about a lot of people.
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Yeah I think that's more on Kevin Smith than her.
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OK Octopus posted:This is the most depressing post I have read in a very long time. You think that's bad? Go back to the 60's or 70's, where the movies give you the impression that brute force is the best form of seduction.
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Dec 4, 2013 01:16
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Yeah, James Bond forces himself on at least one girl in every movie almost right up until the 90s (and I can't remember the Brosnan movies that well).
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Inco posted:Yeah, James Bond forces himself on at least one girl in every movie almost right up until the 90s (and I can't remember the Brosnan movies that well). James uses Vesper's PTSD to cuddle up in Casino Royale. Though it did seem "consensual" at the end.
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Rocky basically rapes Adrian in the first movie.
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Slim Killington posted:It's hard to imagine now, especially depending on what generation you're from, but wooing using persistence was not abnormal or invasive and was even seen as romantic (and encouraged, often) until probably the mid-1980s. I can see how someone young would see it as creepy, but that's not how it was. Ghostbusters has some stuff that really wouldn't fly anymore in an ostensibly "kids" movie. Like how the main characters all smoke or the ghost blow job dream sequence.
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Dec 4, 2013 04:40
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muscles like this? posted:Ghostbusters has some stuff that really wouldn't fly anymore in an ostensibly "kids" movie. Like how the main characters all smoke or the ghost blow job dream sequence. Everyone smoked in 80s movies, that was just one of the great things about the 80s in general. Everyone smoked and nobody was a bitch about it.
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Cowslips Warren posted:And Frozen turns that poo poo around because the handsome prince who totally is in love with one of the princesses, and wants to marry her, and somewhat does, attempts to loving murder her so he can become the king. Hell, the entire reason the movie gets started is because the older sister is aghast her little sister wants to marry someone she met literally an hour or so ago. Okay, now I want to see this movie.
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OK Octopus posted:This is the most depressing post I have read in a very long time. Because of the grammar? Yeah, me too.
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Sorry for posting a conversational run-on sentence to the internet, which I clearly forgot is actually an essay paper. 
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RyokoTK posted:Trying to get into a fuss about "this is sci-fi but that is fantasy" is thin ice to begin with, since unless you're talking really hard science fiction it's basically fantasy in space. Maybe I'm reading this wrong and I'm definitely late to the party, but this is one of my pet peeves. Science fiction is not 'fantasy in space'. Science fiction has nothing to do with space. It is, literally, fiction about science. Many people think of space science fiction when they hear the word because for a long time most science fiction was about space, since that was what interested people. Right now a lot of 'future society' science fiction is popping up, nothing to do with space. But I'm not going to go into the 'Star Wars is fantasy and Star Trek is science fiction'-debate. It's not that much of a pet peeve. Just people who think the only kind of science fiction is space-stories. edit: also, this is not the pet peeve thread. Point still stands, though.
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Eclipse12 posted:14: Who ya gonna call? He-Man! This irritates me. Ghostbusters II came in in 1989...He-Man was practically dead by that point. A better thing for the kids to say would be Transformers, G.I.Joe, or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
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Purple Prophecy posted:Maybe I'm reading this wrong and I'm definitely late to the party, but this is one of my pet peeves. Science fiction is not 'fantasy in space'. Science fiction has nothing to do with space. It is, literally, fiction about science. Many people think of space science fiction when they hear the word because for a long time most science fiction was about space, since that was what interested people. Right now a lot of 'future society' science fiction is popping up, nothing to do with space. I just want you to know I was over-simplifying to make a point.
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Slim Killington posted:It's hard to imagine now, especially depending on what generation you're from, but wooing using persistence was not abnormal or invasive and was even seen as romantic (and encouraged, often) until probably the mid-1980s. I can see how someone young would see it as creepy, but that's not how it was. These days I'm finding this one of the more awkward things about watching older comedy. It's often hard to tell who's meant to be seen as creepy or abusive, and who wasn't intended to be so bad in writing as they look today. As for the smoking thing, I really have to roll my eyes at the PSAs that say filmmakers oh god never would show people smoking if not for the big bags of tobacco money shoved into their hands.  As a lifelong non-smoker, I have to wonder - why are anti-smoking PSAs always so lovely? Other causes might get some lame ads too, but at least they get some winners.Purple Prophecy posted:Maybe I'm reading this wrong and I'm definitely late to the party, but this is one of my pet peeves. Science fiction is not 'fantasy in space'. Science fiction has nothing to do with space. It is, literally, fiction about science. Many people think of space science fiction when they hear the word because for a long time most science fiction was about space, since that was what interested people. Right now a lot of 'future society' science fiction is popping up, nothing to do with space. The shorthand here is clear enough though, and the literal explanation is more cumbersome. If you're going to correct the original statement it would be "science fiction is basically fantasy in space, unless it's hard science fiction in which case it takes more technical knowledge to know why it's fantasy in space" but that's also kinda cumbersome.
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Killer robot posted:As a lifelong non-smoker, I have to wonder - why are anti-smoking PSAs always so lovely? Other causes might get some lame ads too, but at least they get some winners. Because they're made by the tobacco companies, who have every reason not to make them good.
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Lotish posted:One thing that struck me watching the first movie again is how much of a creep Peter comes across as. Dana barely knows him and agrees to a date after he bugs her for one repeatedly--they don't even have that date before she gets mind controlled for the rest of the movie. Once she's back in her right mind it would not surprise me at all if she decided he wasn't really someone she could stick with, even if he did save her life. Well, Venkman DID apparently show up to their date with Thorazine in his pocket. Unless we're to believe he left her to go score some off screen. Some would say that could be construed as creepy.
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Killer robot posted:As a lifelong non-smoker, I have to wonder - why are anti-smoking PSAs always so lovely? Other causes might get some lame ads too, but at least they get some winners. A lot of them are made by tobbaco companies as a result of court order, so it's kind of in their interest to have them be lovely.
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Killer robot posted:
Aren't most anti smoking ads made by tobacco companies? I always liked this one though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmYM3taBVPM
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Tunicate posted:Because they're made by the tobacco companies, who have every reason not to make them good. That's just it. They're paid for by tobacco companies as part of legal settlements, but the design and production is done by separate, anti-smoking organizations wherever I've seen. Beyond that, when they're actually dishonest or misleading rather than just poorly composed it's usually not to the benefit of tobacco companies, so that isn't something they'd have motive to do. Which is doubly baffling since it's not like there isn't genuine misconduct to call out.
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Killer robot posted:That's just it. They're paid for by tobacco companies as part of legal settlements, but the design and production is done by separate, anti-smoking organizations wherever I've seen. Beyond that, when they're actually dishonest or misleading rather than just poorly composed it's usually not to the benefit of tobacco companies, so that isn't something they'd have motive to do. Which is doubly baffling since it's not like there isn't genuine misconduct to call out. This really isn't the thread, but why would you expect anti-tobacco aids mandated by the government but paid for by the tobacco companies to be any better than anti-marijuana ads paid for by the government? "This is your brain on drugs." "I learned it from watching you!" Pro-prohibition propaganda is inherently transparent and weak, regardless of the substance being targeted.
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Killer robot posted:As a lifelong non-smoker, I have to wonder - why are anti-smoking PSAs always so lovely? Cos you live in the wrong country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNI120Fjt4 
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In Ferris Bueller's Day Off, the principal keeps trying to bust him for ditching school. It's a major plot of the movie. However, he had parental permission to stay home so the principal couldn't do dick even if he had caught Ferris red-handed during the course of his day.
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Phanatic posted:This really isn't the thread, but why would you expect anti-tobacco aids mandated by the government but paid for by the tobacco companies to be any better than anti-marijuana ads paid for by the government? "This is your brain on drugs." "I learned it from watching you!" Pro-prohibition propaganda is inherently transparent and weak, regardless of the substance being targeted. Because there are good reasons not to smoke as opposed to bullshit made-up reasons?
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Retail Slave posted:In Ferris Bueller's Day Off, the principal keeps trying to bust him for ditching school. It's a major plot of the movie. However, he had parental permission to stay home so the principal couldn't do dick even if he had caught Ferris red-handed during the course of his day. Its Jeffery Jones and he wants Ferris Bueller for other things.
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I've not watched Revenge of the Nerds in nearly 20 years and I'm almost scared to considering what I remember about the film and its comedy. Home invasion, sexual harassment, installing hidden cameras in a sorority to watch women get naked without their knowledge, something that could be argued as a rape by the main character.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I've not watched Revenge of the Nerds in nearly 20 years and I'm almost scared to considering what I remember about the film and its comedy. It was 100% rape.
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JediTalentAgent posted:something that could be argued as a rape by the main character. I don't think you need to qualify it with "can be argued". It's pretty clear-cut rape.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I've not watched Revenge of the Nerds in nearly 20 years and I'm almost scared to considering what I remember about the film and its comedy. The worst song in recorded history to win a talent contest, featuring the powerful talents of two guys standing there with "science boxes." Also what with the illegal surveillance and the rape, it's easy to look over the ridiculous stereotype they put forward as a gay student.
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I watched the film recently due to a family member and all I could do was think, drat, the Alpha Betas are totally right and the nerds are nothing but bad for the school. Drug use, rape, theft, breaking and entering, voyeurism, and other activities have no place on a modern american campus. Additional irritation, there is a sequel that is structurally even worse and then they somehow crapped out two more of them.
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Animal House is also a terrible movie due to how horrible the Deltas are.
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peer posted:I don't think you need to qualify it with "can be argued". It's pretty clear-cut rape. Is this when he bangs some sorority girl who thinks he's her boyfriend in costume? Even as a little kid I thought that was creepy.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Is this when he bangs some sorority girl who thinks he's her boyfriend in costume? Even as a little kid I thought that was creepy. Don't forget breaking into their house, taking pictures of them naked in the shower without their consent, and then selling said naked pictures. Also irrationally irritating about that movie: the idea that nerds are actually smart, interesting people who will go on to high-paying jobs and are unfairly picked on just because they dress weird and don't like sports. I want them to do a modern remake about a bunch of fat, smelly weirdos on academic probation who rant about friendzoned and end up bouncing from one low-paying job to another because they're so unpleasant to be around.
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Barudak posted:I watched the film recently due to a family member and all I could do was think, drat, the Alpha Betas are totally right and the nerds are nothing but bad for the school. Drug use, rape, theft, breaking and entering, voyeurism, and other activities have no place on a modern american campus. Wasn't there a RotN remake movie that was getting made a couple of years back but got killed very early into filming because the campus they were filming on found the content of the remake too adult?
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People also always forget that one of the nerds is a literal child, which I'm pretty sure makes every single one of their crimes significantly worse in the eyes of the law.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:I want them to do a modern remake about a bunch of fat, smelly weirdos on academic probation who rant about friendzoned and end up bouncing from one low-paying job to another because they're so unpleasant to be around. The Jocks in a modern remake would be a cast of good looking, intelligent, successful academically driven students that look like the Big Bang Theory cast.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Wasn't there a RotN remake movie that was getting made a couple of years back but got killed very early into filming because the campus they were filming on found the content of the remake too adult? It was canned when the studio saw the first batch of footage.
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JediTalentAgent posted:The Jocks in a modern remake would be a cast of good looking, intelligent, successful academically driven students that look like the Big Bang Theory cast. The remake of 21 Jump Street sort of does this. The cool kids are smart and accepting and the old cliches about jocks and nerds are played with. You expect Channing Tatum's character to be popular because he's a great looking guy who acts tough, but he ends up being laughed at while chubby awkward Jonah Hill quickly becomes popular.
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