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One of the draft experts: Jackson Jeffcoat and Cedric Reed are smashing preseason expectations and dominating backfields. Are there any projections for these guys? (I assume Reed will be entering after this year).
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bhsman posted:If the Jaguars draft McCarron 1st/2nd overall due to moxie I will laugh forever, even if he ends up owning. I hope the Texans draft Manziel #1 overall. 
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PrinceRandom posted:Huh. Walter football has 4 QBs going in the top 10. Are teams really going to be that desperate for Carr or Hundley or Manziel? Hundley moreso than the other two. Don't trust WalterFootball or any projections before the combine, though
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xeria posted:I hope the Texans draft Manziel #1 overall. It would have the same effect on me. 
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PrinceRandom posted:Huh. Walter football has 4 QBs going in the top 10. Are teams really going to be that desperate for Carr or Hundley or Manziel? This time last year Geno Smith and Matt Barkley were still projected first round picks by most people. Projections don't mean much right now.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:This time last year Geno Smith and Matt Barkley were still projected first round picks by most people. Projections don't mean much right now. Agreed, QBs especially get jumbled a whole lot, especially guys who're slated as late firsts early seconds. Most of those guys slide really quickly once the closer looks come into it and they get into the senior bowl.
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I know JFF is a risky pick but if Logan loving Thomas goes before him then why even bother playing the games
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Doctor Candiru posted:McCarron is only an average quarterback at best, and that's when he's absolutely surrounded with incredible talent Doctor Candiru posted:and superb coaching.
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If I was a fan of a team with the hots for A.J. McCarron I'd be much more worried about the spectacular bust rate of Alabama QBs in the NFL.
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:If I was a fan of a team with the hots for A.J. McCarron I'd be much more worried about the spectacular bust rate of Alabama QBs in the NFL. What QB has really been a bust? Or do you mean just sucks poo poo and weren't even drafted?
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:If I was a fan of a team with the hots for A.J. McCarron I'd be much more worried about the spectacular bust rate of Alabama QBs in the NFL. Since 1980 none of them have been taken high enough to really be considered busts, more like wash outs I'd think. The closest would be a third round Brodie Croyle and after that you get into Jay Barker in the 5th who never played that I know, McElroy in the 7th and Dave Shula in the 12th. Unless you're still angry about Richard Todd somehow it looks like Bama QBs are largely ignored by the NFL like they should be. As a side note I believe Brodie is the highest the Chiefs have taken a shot at the QB position in the draft since the immortal Mike Elkins toward the top of the 2nd in 1989.
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Dec 4, 2013 05:19
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And I can't imagine the Chiefs draft a QB anytime soon either. They seem to be satisfied with Alex Smith and he's only 29, so he'll be playing at least another 5-6 years.
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Dec 4, 2013 05:20
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Quest For Glory II posted:And I can't imagine the Chiefs draft a QB anytime soon either. They seem to be satisfied with Alex Smith and he's only 29, so he'll be playing at least another 5-6 years. I can see them taking a flyer on someone like Logan Thomas, not unlike what the Broncos did with Brock Osweiler (except the timeline is much shorter as far as Peyton's career goes).
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Dec 4, 2013 05:23
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Quest For Glory II posted:And I can't imagine the Chiefs draft a QB anytime soon either. They seem to be satisfied with Alex Smith and he's only 29, so he'll be playing at least another 5-6 years. My favorite stat is that the last time a QB drafted by the Chiefs won a game for them was 1987.
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If Smith keeps playing well enough to make me hate the receivers more than him I won't complain (although I don't expect that to happen), but I wasn't really whining. I mean I have and will complain in the future about never taking a shot on someone but in this instance I was just reminded of the Blackledge curse and it's a weird thing.
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More big news: Zach Mettenberger has a torn ACL, will miss the entire draft process. So...good luck trying to evaluate him any further. He's now an even bigger question mark than he already was.
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I was not a fan of Mettenberger because I don't like a QB who cannot improvise, but the ACL won't make him undrafted I don't think. It might make him a third day selection. A third day pick on a QB with good physical tools and frame that you expect to put on IR his first year is not unheard of, I guess.
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Quest For Glory II posted:I was not a fan of Mettenberger because I don't like a QB who cannot improvise, but the ACL won't make him undrafted I don't think. It might make him a third day selection. A third day pick on a QB with good physical tools and frame that you expect to put on IR his first year is not unheard of, I guess. I wasn't trying to imply that this hurts his stock, but it sure as poo poo didn't help it. With the QB class suddenly looking thin, just a halfway-decent Senior Bowl and Combine could have put him in the 2nd-3rd round.
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Christ Pseudoscientist posted:My favorite stat is that the last time a QB drafted by the Chiefs won a game for them was 1987. This isn't so mind blowing. The last time the saints won with a drafted qb was Danny Wuerffel. And that was only because the starter was injured and he won two games before leaving to tear it up in Europe.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:The Texans should draft Clowney and get Jimmy Garoppolo in the 4th or whatever. I have a feeling he's going to sneak up into the 2nd round or so come draft day. Best QB I've seen in college football this year. I know people point to the level of competition he's faced, but he absolutely torched both FBS schools he played this year and that included a game against Northern Illinois in Dekalb. If the Bears have to franchise Cutler, I was hoping they'd draft him as a backup in the middle rounds.
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MJBuddy posted:This isn't so mind blowing. The last time the saints won with a drafted qb was Danny Wuerffel. And that was only because the starter was injured and he won two games before leaving to tear it up in Europe. 11 years later? Goddamnit now I'm going to have to look aren't I? pre:Team Player Year Won Year Drafted New England Tom Brady 2013 2000 Miami Ryan Tannehill 2013 2012 New York J Geno Smith 2013 2013 Buffalo EJ Manuel 2013 2013 Cincinnati Andy Dalton 2013 2011 Baltimore Joe Flacco 2013 2008 Pittsburgh Ben Roethlisberger 2013 2004 Cleveland Brandon Weeden 2012 2012 Indianapolis Andrew Luck 2013 2012 Tennessee Jake Locker 2013 2011 Jacksonville Blaine Gabbert 2012 2011 Houston T.J. Yates 2011 2011 Denver Tim Tebow 2011 2010 Kansas City Todd Blackledge 1989 1983 San Diego* Drew Brees 2005 2001 Oakland* Terrelle Pryor 2013 2011 (supplemental) Philadelphia Nick Foles 2013 2012 Dallas Stephen McGee 2010 2009 New York G* Danny Kanell 1998 1996 Washington Robert Griffin III 2013 2012 Detroit Matthew Stafford 2013 2009 Chicago Kyle Orton 2008 2005 Green Bay Aaron Rodgers 2013 2005 Minnesota Christian Ponder 2013 2011 Carolina Cam Newton 2013 2011 New Orleans Danny Wuerffel 1998 1997 Tampa Bay Mike Glennon 2013 2013 Atlanta Matt Ryan 2013 2008 Seattle Russell Wilson 2013 2012 San Francisco Colin Kaepernick 2013 2011 Arizona Ryan Lindley 2012 2012 St Louis Sam Bradford 2013 2010 Oakland*-If supplemental doesn't count in anyone's mind it would be Jamarcus in 2009, drafted 2007 NYG*-Obviously the reverse of SD's * If anyone's curious the last QB drafted by KC to win any game was Steve Stenstrom, who won one (and only one) game for Chicago in 1998. Congrats, you have the one other real instance of this in the league which was more than a full goddamned decade later than KC, with the draft where he was picked a full 14 years later. Way to loving go, yeah this isn't rare at all. Now I'm whining about KC never taking a chance on anyone. e: Christ all that work and I can't figure out how many years a decade is? I have no idea what I was thinking. Still the point is there. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Dec 4, 2013 |
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Yeah but I mean, does winning a game with Ryan Lindley as quarterback really count?
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Ok if we skip Lindley John Skelton won lots of games! Matt Lienart won many games! John Navarre...ok that never happened. But Josh McCown won games! I don't pretend that the stat is really that important, or honestly important at all. But for MJBuddy to come in who's team is quarterbacked by Drew Brees and say 'it isn't that weird  ' got to me.All I want to do is to either fall in love with a terrible quarterback the Chiefs picked in the first. Or probably really hate the team for wasting a top draft pick on a QB (I originally wrote someone but lord there's enough ammo there in other positions) for once since I was like 5 years old, is that so much to ask? I'd settle for the Chiefs picking up a broken quarterback no one wanted who turned into Drew loving Brees for the record. I'm sure Alex Smith will be there any day.
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Grozz Nuy posted:Yeah but I mean, does winning a game with Ryan Lindley as quarterback really count? The dozens of SDSU fans say yes 
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PrinceRandom posted:Huh. Walter football has 4 QBs going in the top 10. Are teams really going to be that desperate for Carr or Hundley or Manziel? Yes, yes teams will be. Outside of some rumor that walterfootball has been floating around, I don't see anything that would indicate Hundley is going to declare. Elotana posted:I know JFF is a risky pick but if Logan loving Thomas goes before him then why even bother playing the games Logan Thomas best shot at getting drafted would be to agree with a position change. Quest For Glory II posted:And I can't imagine the Chiefs draft a QB anytime soon either. They seem to be satisfied with Alex Smith and he's only 29, so he'll be playing at least another 5-6 years. I'd say the Chiefs passing on a QB is a fair assumption, although I don't think "well we're set with Alex Smith" is the reason. From what I've heard, they are high on Tyler Bray.
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Grittybeard posted:All I want to do is to either fall in love with a terrible quarterback the Chiefs picked in the first. Or probably really hate the team for wasting a top draft pick on a QB (I originally wrote someone but lord there's enough ammo there in other positions) for once since I was like 5 years old, is that so much to ask? I was once like you. Now I have a much deeper appreciation of what Andrew Walter's contributions mean to me.
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Declan MacManus posted:I can see them taking a flyer on someone like Logan Thomas, not unlike what the Broncos did with Brock Osweiler (except the timeline is much shorter as far as Peyton's career goes). Andy Reid is unafraid of taking a back up QB to develop. In his time in Philly he picked up McNabb (1), Kolb (2), Feeley (5), Andy Hall (6), he also brought in Jeff Garcia, helped grow favre after he was traded to Green bay and pretty much reformed Vick into something resembling an effective passer. The dude is good at polishing turds and seems to like doing so. Alex Smith is probably going to be his guy, because one could argue he needs better receivers but I wouldn't be shocked to see Kansas City take a flier on someone in the 2nd or 3rd round if they're there.
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Yeah, look at this. This is every skill position starter for the Raiders the last 2 weeks. QB Matt McGloin - undrafted RB Rashad Jennings - 7th round (FA 13) FB Marcel Reece -- undrafted WR Rod Streater - undrafted WR Andre Holmes - undrafted (FA 13) TE Jeron Mastrud - undrafted (FA 13) TE Mychal Rivera - 6th round Why do I even read this thread.
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How did we lose to that team?! 
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Kirios posted:How did we lose to that team?! I ask myself that about you.
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Our UFA's are just that much better than yours, bro. 
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I will say that Dennis Allen coached circles around us that game. I think he'll be the head coach you guys have been desperately looking for since Gruden.
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BlindSite posted:Andy Reid is unafraid of taking a back up QB to develop. In his time in Philly he picked up McNabb (1), Kolb (2), Feeley (5), Andy Hall (6), he also brought in Jeff Garcia, helped grow favre after he was traded to Green bay and pretty much reformed Vick into something resembling an effective passer. Also drafted Nick Foles a year after giving Vick an extension
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Grittybeard posted:11 years later? Goddamnit now I'm going to have to look aren't I? Yes but if backup QB Wuerffel doesn't come in and win two games in 97/98, the Saints don't have a drafted winner going back to 1986 in Dave "totally the next Archie Manning" Wilson. We fielded like 40 QBs, over those two decades and they all sucked and were not drafted by us. But yeah it's obviously more rare.
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Are we thinking QB will be deep again next year? Or just Mariota/Hundley/then shitstains?
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SteelAngel2000 posted:I ask myself that about you. Incorrectly called penalty on a field goal, wasn't it?
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No Butt Stuff posted:Are we thinking QB will be deep again next year? Or just Mariota/Hundley/then shitstains?
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Quest For Glory II posted:Next year will have Winston, Mariota, possibly Hundley, Bortles, Kevin Hogan. Has Winston said anything about how long he plans to play at FSU? I know he's in some trouble right now, but he's come onto the scene so quickly that I don't recall him saying anything about 2015. EDIT: This years draft class at QB looks to be a ton better than last year, unless a shitload of the juniors stay then that will make 2015's class a monster.
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