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At night, most of Nellis will be asleep in the barracks. Kill them. gently caress ever doing all of that busywork ever again. The last straw was when they refused me medical treatment after I limped out of their goddamned artillery barrage on two useless bloody stumps.
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Raygereio posted:It depends more on the build you're going for. Levelling science early to get Vigilant Recycler could be usefull for an energy weapons build for example.
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Dec 6, 2013 21:28
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Is there a mod that fundamentally changes the lockpick/password mechanisms? I'm looking for less "ooh, you have 49 Lockpick, you can't even try to unlock this Medium lock!" & more of a "You have 20 lockpick, every lock has the tiny sliver of a target zone vanilla Very Hard locks have"/"You have 100 lockpick, every lock has the giant target zone vanilla Very Easy locks have" type of deal. Same thing with passwords: lovely science, long password; good science, shorter password. Seems more realistic that a great lockpicker probably only needs a couple bobby pins and a few moments to open just about anything & a bad lockpicker needs a lot more pins & a lot longer. It'd also open up the skill tree to me when I don't have to commit a dozen levels to boosting lockpick & science just for the privilege of trying to open locked things.
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Dec 6, 2013 23:48
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Yeah, that is not great advice. Seriously, Medicine? The one that makes stimpaks slightly more overpowered and had like four situational skill checks outside of that? Also, for what it's worth, I take Barter over Speech when playing hardcore mode. It has almost as many checks as Speech in the base game and it unlocks the pack-rat perk, which is incredibly useful for hauling ammo around. It only becomes an issue with the DLCs, as each one ends with an incredibly high Speech check that doesn't really have an alternative (like, you can talk down Graham in honest Hearts but not fully reform him, or you can help either God/Dog in Dead Money but not cure his schizophrenia, though it is kind of insane that you could in the first place).
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Dec 6, 2013 23:55
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ChibiSoma posted:The map in NV is already tiny
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Dec 7, 2013 00:13
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SpookyLizard posted:Just suck down a couple of turbos and leg it to the front gate. I have literally done this every single time. Turbo is the best chem
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Dec 7, 2013 00:44
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oldskool posted:Is there a mod that fundamentally changes the lockpick/password mechanisms? I'd love this as well, and just found this lockpick mod: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/47039/ Not tried it yet, though.
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Dec 7, 2013 00:53
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Octo1 posted:I have literally done this every single time. Turbo is the best chem I usually just take some med-x and slam a few dozen stimpaks into my thighs. There should be a dialogue option with the Boomer at the gate reflecting that too. 
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Dec 7, 2013 00:59
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Yeah every time I load up new vegas and travel along the southern roads, I always think to myself, "drat this map is tiny" as I approach hour seven and I'm not even half way to new vegas.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:03
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oldskool posted:Is there a mod that fundamentally changes the lockpick/password mechanisms? This wouldn't really work because then you wouldn't ever need to invest in either skill if you were good at the mini-games.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:05
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Is it the opinion of this thread that a stealthy playthrough is viable? I'm talking about sneaking around every combat zone and getting stealth criticals with melee weapons without alerting their buddies, and spending as little time as possible in open combat. The stealth mechanics in this game seem to me to be spotty at best, but I've never built around pure stealth before either. I'd rather not try it if the mechanic just isn't built well enough to pull off without a ton of frustration. Also, if such a run IS viable, is the Stealth Suit Mk. II worth using? The wiki lists several bugs that would do nothing but add frustration, but I don't know how up-to-date it is. Would I be better off just using actual light armor with a sneak skill bonus instead? Edit: double negative clarification Che Delilas fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Dec 7, 2013 01:09
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Doug Lombardi posted:This wouldn't really work because then you wouldn't ever need to invest in either skill if you were good at the mini-games. That's pretty much exactly how it works in Skyrim (a in you can pick any lock, but the hard ones take tons of picks/patience). I'm not sure why it's a problem that suddenly you don't need to blow bunch of skill points that could be used better elsewhere.
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It's best if you just ignore ChibiSoma's complaints, he's pretty famous for making mountains out of molehills. He's the guy who uninstalled Bastion because it wouldn't work out of the box with his controller, despite the devs offering to buy him a new controller.
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Kimmalah posted:That's pretty much exactly how it works in Skyrim (a in you can pick any lock, but the hard ones take tons of picks/patience). I'm not sure why it's a problem that suddenly you don't need to blow bunch of skill points that could be used better elsewhere. Because it's bad to have an RPG system with useless skills in it. Same reason why you can't use bombs to open safes- because if you have two skills, one of which is "open locks", and the other one being "blow things up, and open locks", why would you ever choose the first one?
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Because it's bad to have an RPG system with useless skills in it. Because the second carries the very real risk of damaging the goods behind the locks. Or at least, it does with competent game design. I belive KOTOR 2 did that.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:40
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i am tim! posted:Because the second carries the very real risk of damaging the goods behind the locks. Or at least, it does with competent game design. I belive KOTOR 2 did that. But now you are putting a hell of a lot of extra factors in the game for a very limited payoff. When designing skills for a game, each skill should be useful and unique. It should also be as simply designed as possible to prevent bugs.
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Dec 7, 2013 02:03
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Kimmalah posted:That's pretty much exactly how it works in Skyrim (a in you can pick any lock, but the hard ones take tons of picks/patience). I'm not sure why it's a problem that suddenly you don't need to blow bunch of skill points that could be used better elsewhere. It's dumb in Skyrim. It would be better if the skill were merged with some broader skill. Some kind of "survival, but for building things" or similar.
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It also implicitly degrades the lockpicking skill- because instead of becoming, mechanically "Get quite a few extra items every map", it becomes "Get a few more items than you would have gotten by just taking Explosives every map". Really, at some points, I think it should have been combined with Sneak and turned into like, "Stealth"? I don't know. They did a good job making the other skills have multiple uses, but there's only so much you can do with "Pick locks".
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These loving invisible walls are really starting to piss me off. Trying to get to Red Rock Canyon. I figure okay, I'll go to Jacobstown. Nope. Mountains have invisible walls. So alright, I'll go to the North Gate and head west. Nope! loving poisonous flies that take 30 shots to kill (here we loving go with this horseshit of nothing being able to damage anything!) and all the mountains are packed with invisible walls. This is the area around Brewer's Beer Bootlegging, for the record. I know I can't just go to Goodsprings and head north. Here there be Deathclaws. And if I can't kill these flies in under a couple dozen shots a pop with anything except the grenade launchers that also cripple me (because they're too fast to shoot and I can't VATS with it!) I sure as hell won't be able to take down a Deathclaw! Doing the achievements in Skyrim was a mistake purely because it spoiled me. Enemies that you could kill (and couldn't see you from a mile away), a bigger world with actual colors other than brown and a slightly lighter shade of brown, and most of all, an open world that was actually loving open world! So I'm stumped! I have no loving idea how to get to where the Khans are. With how Bethesda tries preventing you from exploiting their busted-rear end engine to make travel not take an hour, I'm just naturally assuming the path from the west is off-limits, too. It was like trying to get to the Hoover Dam. I hopped in the lake near where I raised that Bomber and swam over to the nearest beach... nope, all walls. Despite the fact that the terrain is only mildly sloped and you could easily walk up it, it's blocked for noooo loving reason. Ditto trying to trigger the fast travel point by swimming up to the dam. There's a gated off area that you can't jump over. You can get on the barrels, but the Courier suddenly becomes scared of a 3-inch high net in the water.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Really, at some points, I think it should have been combined with Sneak and turned into like, "Stealth"? I don't know. They did a good job making the other skills have multiple uses, but there's only so much you can do with "Pick locks". ChibiSoma posted:So I'm stumped! I have no loving idea how to get to where the Khans are. With how Bethesda tries preventing you from exploiting their busted-rear end engine to make travel not take an hour, I'm just naturally assuming the path from the west is off-limits, too.
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Che Delilas posted:Is it the opinion of this thread that a stealthy playthrough is viable? I'm talking about sneaking around every combat zone and getting stealth criticals with melee weapons without alerting their buddies, and spending as little time as possible in open combat. The stealth mechanics in this game seem to me to be spotty at best, but I've never built around pure stealth before either. I'd rather not try it if the mechanic just isn't built well enough to pull off without a ton of frustration. One of my favorite builds is stealth, energy weapons, and science. Science lets you recycle spent energy cells and (with perks) make supercharged cells that are more likely to one hit kill. At energy weapons 90 you get Meltdown, which makes your energy weapon kills explode like plasma grenades (and if that kills the guy next to him, he explodes too, ultimately killing everyone in the hallway). Many indoor fights are over in 1 shot this way as the chain reaction will kill everyone nearby. After maxing stealth and energy weapons and getting deep enough into science for super ammo, you can sink some points into explosives for Hit The Deck which is obviously pretty important to your survival now, then any other explosive perks to increase damage/radius of the plasma explosions. This will also constantly kill your companions so it's probably best for a loner playthrough. I've never had much luck consistently sneaking into melee range, though. poverty goat fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Head southwest from Vegas and get a better weapon.rope kid posted:This really never gets old.
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ChibiSoma posted:These loving invisible walls are really starting to piss me off. Trying to get to Red Rock Canyon. I figure okay, I'll go to Jacobstown. Nope. Mountains have invisible walls. So alright, I'll go to the North Gate and head west. Nope! loving poisonous flies that take 30 shots to kill (here we loving go with this horseshit of nothing being able to damage anything!) and all the mountains are packed with invisible walls. This is the area around Brewer's Beer Bootlegging, for the record. First of all, Bethesda didn't design this game, so the invisible walls aren't really their fault. If you're on PC there is a mod that can remove the invisible walls. As for getting to the Canyon go to Camp McCarran. Go to the road that goes east/west to the south of it and follow it West. You'll eventually reach a road going north/southwestish along the edge of the mountains. Follow it until you see an open valley to the West with a stone sign that says Red Rock Canyon State Park. Go west until you see a canyon with red rocks to the north. Enter the canyon.
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caleramaen posted:First of all, Bethesda didn't design this game, so the invisible walls aren't really their fault. If you're on PC there is a mod that can remove the invisible walls. As for getting to the Canyon go to Camp McCarran. Go to the road that goes east/west to the south of it and follow it West. You'll eventually reach a road going north/southwestish along the edge of the mountains. Follow it until you see an open valley to the West with a stone sign that says Red Rock Canyon State Park. Go west until you see a canyon with red rocks to the north. Enter the canyon. quote:Doing the achievements in Skyrim was a mistake purely because it spoiled me. Enemies that you could kill (and couldn't see you from a mile away), a bigger world with actual colors other than brown and a slightly lighter shade of brown, and most of all, an open world that was actually loving open world!
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2house2fly posted:That's probably due to the amnesia I assume you have, since you never specified that you don't. Hahaha...I see what you did there.
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gggiiimmmppp posted:One of my favorite builds is stealth, energy weapons, and science. Science lets you recycle spent energy cells and (with perks) make supercharged cells that are more likely to one hit kill. At energy weapons 90 you get Meltdown, which makes your energy weapon kills explode like plasma grenades (and if that kills the guy next to him, he explodes too, ultimately killing everyone in the hallway). Many indoor fights are over in 1 shot this way as the chain reaction will kill everyone nearby. After maxing stealth and energy weapons and getting deep enough into science for super ammo, you can sink some points into explosives for Hit The Deck which is obviously pretty important to your survival now, then any other explosive perks to increase damage/radius of the plasma explosions. This will also constantly kill your companions so it's probably best for a loner playthrough. Yeah I was mostly wanting to play as Sam Fisher, not just a combat character who can open a fight with a super crit. I feel like the game just isn't built for that though. Alas. I have done what you describe with energy weapons and meltdown/explosives perk synergy. It gets pretty crazy. A lot of chaos, unconscious companions, and crippled limbs in that build. It was fun.
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ChibiSoma posted:Doing the achievements in Skyrim was a mistake purely because it spoiled me. Enemies that you could kill (and couldn't see you from a mile away), a bigger world with actual colors other than brown and a slightly lighter shade of brown, and most of all, an open world that was actually loving open world! New Vegas is larger than Skyrim in terms of map size. 128 by 129 cells versus 119 by 94 cells. Also, try using roads like a reasonable person.
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gggiiimmmppp posted:One of my favorite builds is stealth, energy weapons, and science. Science lets you recycle spent energy cells and (with perks) make supercharged cells that are more likely to one hit kill. At energy weapons 90 you get Meltdown, which makes your energy weapon kills explode like plasma grenades (and if that kills the guy next to him, he explodes too, ultimately killing everyone in the hallway). Many indoor fights are over in 1 shot this way as the chain reaction will kill everyone nearby. After maxing stealth and energy weapons and getting deep enough into science for super ammo, you can sink some points into explosives for Hit The Deck which is obviously pretty important to your survival now, then any other explosive perks to increase damage/radius of the plasma explosions. This will also constantly kill your companions so it's probably best for a loner playthrough. Meltdown drops off extremely quickly, because the damage a meltdown does doesn't scale with your weapon so it will barely scratch anything past level 20. Meltdowns inherit any special properties of your weapon however, so you can use a weapon like the Compliance Regulator to stun large groups of enemies with the meltdown.
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Dec 7, 2013 03:25
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Che Delilas posted:Yeah I was mostly wanting to play as Sam Fisher, not just a combat character who can open a fight with a super crit. I feel like the game just isn't built for that though. Alas. You can kind of do that to bypass stuff, but you'll probably need to use some stealthboys to get the cloak effect. There's mods that can make that part of some armor or otherwise enable it without using consumables. Sneak for the win is totally viable lots of times, but the stealth system is pretty rough until you've invested a lot in it, in my experience.
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Doug Lombardi posted:Meltdown drops off extremely quickly, because the damage a meltdown does doesn't scale with your weapon so it will barely scratch anything past level 20. Meltdowns inherit any special properties of your weapon however, so you can use a weapon like the Compliance Regulator to stun large groups of enemies with the meltdown. I've never experienced this and the wiki says otherwise: quote:The damage dealt by meltdown is relative to the damage dealt by the weapon that killed the target. A powerful weapon, such as the Gauss rifle, can trigger a meltdown dealing upwards of 300 damage whereas a flamer's meltdown would be closer to 11. Though sometimes you do need to kill a second guy to get the chain reaction going to kill everyone. I usually roll with the Q-35 and Pew Pew with max charge ammo. poverty goat fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Not sure I've ever followed the road in an open world game. Bethesda really hates people trying to explore. Not sure how to get to the Great Khans Encampment, but it isn't "From the west" or "From the east." South's blocked, so I guess I'll travel somewhere north and try that. Gotta be some direction that doesn't walk me right into Deathclaw territory, right? Man, fast traveling to Goodsprings Cementary and going from there was bad. A colony of Giant Radscorpions, a dozen or so Cazadors, and then Deathclaws that took a page out of XCOM's book and started warping behind me.  I'd used my Antivenom and Stimpaks by then. I was checking around me regularly. You remember that part of Jurassic Park where Muldoon dies because he was tracking one raptor then another came out of nowhere and attacked? That, just with one Deathclaw. The indicator blip was lying or something. I'd be walking towards it, then it'd vanish, and suddenly a Deathclaw was slappin' my back apart.
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If you want to get everywhere in the world easily at level 1 just turn on godmode.
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ChibiSoma posted:Not sure I've ever followed the road in an open world game. Bethesda really hates people trying to explore. Not sure how to get to the Great Khans Encampment, but it isn't "From the west" or "From the east." South's blocked, so I guess I'll travel somewhere north and try that. Gotta be some direction that doesn't walk me right into Deathclaw territory, right? You do realize that the indicator for enemies is only in front of you, and limited in range by your perception, right? First deathclaw probably left your detection range, and the second one was behind you. Also, what's wrong with following the road in an open world game? I did that in JC2. And GTA. And RDR. Turns out roads are pretty awesome for getting places!
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Ugly In The Morning posted:You do realize that the indicator for enemies is only in front of you, and limited in range by your perception, right? First deathclaw probably left your detection range, and the second one was behind you. Also going from the road is high risk high reward exploring you can find some overpowered poo poo if you venture into dangerous places above your level, something sorely missing from Oblivion/Skyrim.
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Yeah, I do like that almost every gun, even the non-unique ones that drop at high levels, have guaranteed spawns if you want to seek out and find them. Always nice to get the 12.7mm SMG, or the Riot Shotgun 15 levels early.
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Sinnlos posted:New Vegas is larger than Skyrim in terms of map size. 128 by 129 cells versus 119 by 94 cells. Skyrim's cells must be a fair size, because no way is the game world physically smaller than New Vegas.
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Dec 7, 2013 04:50
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2house2fly posted:Skyrim's cells must be a fair size, because no way is the game world physically smaller than New Vegas. Skyrim is the same size as Oblivion according to Bethesda, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was smaller.
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ChibiSoma posted:Not sure I've ever followed the road in an open world game. Bethesda really hates people trying to explore. Not sure how to get to the Great Khans Encampment, but it isn't "From the west" or "From the east." South's blocked, so I guess I'll travel somewhere north and try that. Gotta be some direction that doesn't walk me right into Deathclaw territory, right? You are whiny as poo poo. Playing on the PC? Go grab the Invisible Wall Removal mod. Also, for more color, grab fellout which removes the orange filter on the world, makes it more colorful, but also makes nighttime actually dark.
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socialsecurity posted:Also going from the road is high risk high reward exploring you can find some overpowered poo poo if you venture into dangerous places above your level, something sorely missing from Oblivion/Skyrim. You can stumble into areas that will beat you down in Skyrim actually, it scales areas to a certain extent only. Fallout 3 and Morrowind had similar systems. e: Misread your post thought you meant overpowered enemies not items, sorry.
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