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uaciaut posted:QTpie comments on the current state of the challenged NA scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIgp3AwLRfc It'd be hysterical if Velocity got knocked out of LCS by a NA amateur team. Please let this happen.
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Is velocity officially that eg.na lineup now?
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Dec 9, 2013 19:03
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Jackie D posted:Is velocity officially that eg.na lineup now? Nothing confirmed yet. Someone on reddit found some tweets that indicated that roster lock for the promotion tournament is today though, so hopefully we get some confirmation.
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Dec 9, 2013 19:41
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Homura posted:Nothing confirmed yet. Someone on reddit found some tweets that indicated that roster lock for the promotion tournament is today though, so hopefully we get some confirmation. Given that qtpie said that on stream, it got recorded and posted on reddit and krepo replied to it, well it's pretty much confirmed i'd say.
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Dec 9, 2013 21:58
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uaciaut posted:Given that qtpie said that on stream, it got recorded and posted on reddit and krepo replied to it, well it's pretty much confirmed i'd say. Yeah there's no doubt about Velocity's lineup. We just don't know if it's still going to be Velocity, or if it will be EG.NA or something else. But it's those players. I'm confident predicting now that no NALCS teams will get relegated. Oh well, would have been nice to see some new blood.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:08
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Sexpansion posted:I didn't get to watch any of the NA promotional matches. Was Quantic's internet connection really the reason they lost? No. They lost because they played poorly. The casters were calling it as a combination of playing from an internet cafe and going on tilt, but it could have just as well have been plain old nerves/choking.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:19
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Sexpansion posted:Yeah there's no doubt about Velocity's lineup. We just don't know if it's still going to be Velocity, or if it will be EG.NA or something else. But it's those players. It will come down to how well VES/EGNA gels as a team, and whether they actually pull it together. If they have Innox and Pobelter they also have two inconsistent players (especially Innox, who had some real stinker games in the NACL), and if those players haven't worked the inconsistency out of their game (something that can be a bitch to do) that's two lanes that could falter. It also remains to be seen how well the lineup has adapted to 3.14 - especially Snoopeh. We've already seen what happens when Snoopeh fails to apply jungle pressure in EU - and top/mid/jungle synergy is really important. TBD and TWZ looked like they had their teamwork down in the group stages and could exploit issues with VES.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:20
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iSurrender posted:No. That's what I figured - if it were really internet issues you would think there would be much more of an issue being made about it. Thanks!
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Dec 9, 2013 22:22
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Sexpansion posted:That's what I figured - if it were really internet issues you would think there would be much more of an issue being made about it. Thanks!
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Dec 9, 2013 22:25
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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To me I think the larger issue is that if you comb the three teams that face relegation (Coast, Curse, Velocity or New-EG or whatever) plus the three challenger teams TWZ, Cognitive, and TBD. The real issue is that none of those six teams are actually any good regardless of who wins the spots. So the NA LCS is still going to be basically C9, TSM, and XDG running train over the other squads. Dignitas and CLG still sitting on unstable rosters and not really caring much. And then three filler squads for the top teams to beat up on. I feel like NA LCS will actually be both less competitive and lower skilled than the previous split, which I didn't think was possible from watching the previous split.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:31
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I've been watching qtpie and Kiwikid duo queue and I don't understand what the gently caress Dig are thinking with that role change. Kiwikid proved to be a pretty big liability last split and he's even worse at support, I wouldn't be surprised to see them get relegated next year to be honest, they don't look like they're going to improve at all. And yeah the NA LCS will probably be hardly worth watching.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:38
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Libertine posted:I feel like NA LCS will actually be both less competitive and lower skilled than the previous split, which I didn't think was possible from watching the previous split. Meanwhile in Korea, there are easily 6 top teams who are all on equal footing, and even the bottom teams are better than NA.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:39
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Flameingblack posted:Meanwhile in Korea, there are easily 6 top teams who are all on equal footing, and even the bottom teams are better than NA. I'd put good money on any team in NLB to poop all over any team from NA, and that's kinda sad. It's also confusing.. If you look at the amount of money that the top talent in NA pulls in, I don't understand why so few people want it, you know? The rewards for being the top of the heap are so tremendous.. Why isn't there a swath of talent trying to step up?
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Dec 9, 2013 22:46
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Zahki posted:I've been watching qtpie and Kiwikid duo queue and I don't understand what the gently caress Dig are thinking with that role change. Kiwikid proved to be a pretty big liability last split and he's even worse at support, I wouldn't be surprised to see them get relegated next year to be honest, they don't look like they're going to improve at all. And yeah the NA LCS will probably be hardly worth watching. qtpie seems like a really strong mechanical player, and most of the competitive issues he did have were related to early game decision-making. He's probably the strongest mechanical player on Dignitas roster. Their roster right now is a mess though. If qtpie has to go into the LCS Season with Kiwikid as his support Dignitas is basically hosed. If that's seriously their solution they are probably going to lose a lot of games. Cruzerthebruzer is a NA Ladder Diamond 1 Caliber top lane player but that's really all you can say about him. I don't think he's going to be able to succeed given the other issues. I'm not really impressed with scarra or crumbz even though they used to be players I really liked on Dignitas. Just feels like neither of them had a lot of big games in last season.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:48
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Flameingblack posted:Streaming is a higher priority right now than practice in most LCS Players. Who the hell knows why Challenger players aren't as good as any other region, but WildTurtle can get in there 4 times without even struggling. NA is a region of Egos and Personalities, while basically any Asian region is full of hardworking players, and EU is a mix between both. The longer LCS goes on, the less competitive teams it seems like there are, as the top teams get better and everyone that isn't in first or second place slide downwards. Coast isn't even close to being on TSM's level anymore and they placed 2nd in the first LCS season, and Curse dominated most of the first split and may not even make it into LCS this time. The second split was so sad, seeing Cloud9 stomp every other team while TSM slips by with their obligatory second place. The Challenger teams have actually been practicing a lot, so I don't know if its that. (Source: http://www.ongamers.com/articles/watch-the-throne-this-is-what-it-s-like-to-be-a-challenger-tier-player/1100-128/ ). It's pretty weird; it looks like they should be getting better and the matches are seem less throwy than challenger matches used to be, but still. It might just be that things are ramping up and the skill/talent requirement is quite high, so even efforts to catch up aren't quite there.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:53
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Libertine posted:qtpie seems like a really strong mechanical player, and most of the competitive issues he did have were related to early game decision-making. He's probably the strongest mechanical player on Dignitas roster. Their roster right now is a mess though. If qtpie has to go into the LCS Season with Kiwikid as his support Dignitas is basically hosed. If that's seriously their solution they are probably going to lose a lot of games. Cruzerthebruzer is a NA Ladder Diamond 1 Caliber top lane player but that's really all you can say about him. I don't think he's going to be able to succeed given the other issues. I'm not really impressed with scarra or crumbz even though they used to be players I really liked on Dignitas. Just feels like neither of them had a lot of big games in last season. Damiya posted:I'd put good money on any team in NLB to poop all over any team from NA, and that's kinda sad.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:57
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Speaking of Qtpie's mechanics I think he's mechanically challenged at speaking because lmao
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Dec 9, 2013 22:58
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TSM will be a big chance for winning the next LCS I think. Mid was their weakest lane with Reginald, now thats reversed and it's probably their strongest. Bjergsen will destroy most NA mids, that'll make Oddones job much easier since he won't need to camp nearly as much and can support Dyrus and Wildturtle even more. C9 seem to be a little shaken at how easily they got dumped out of worlds too, judging by their performance against Gambit.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:03
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I'm interested to see where C9 is at. I do think that loss at IEM Cologne was less Cloud9 failing and more that this Gambit team is incredible. Gambit also rolled right over Fanatic in the finals. I think the true test will be C9 vs Fanatic at the Atlantic match. Looking forward to that rematch.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:09
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Maybe this time C9 will actually ban Kassadin.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:11
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I don't think NA is actually worse than it was in season 3. Right now we have 3 very skilled teams in C9, TSM and XD.GG (if they've been able to work out that whole "throwing" problem) and I'm pretty sure that those 3 teams are more skilled than old Curse, CLG and TSM. We don't know how any of the challenger teams will turn out in the LCS. It would be difficult for any challenger team to be as bad as Velocity was, and this split CLG will probably be putting an actual jungler in the jungle. Dignitas might be hosed for the split but they might at least put up a fight.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:24
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New Curse is now really exciting me, Quas was a seriously good pickup.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:33
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Don't we still have, like, three months until the season starts? That's plenty of time for dig to kick kiwi in favor of, say, M eye A.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:48
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Frgrbrgr posted:New Curse is now really exciting me, Quas was a seriously good pickup. I dunno about new Curse. Aside from Quas, it hasn't really impressed me.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:48
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Kiwi isn't the permanent support so hopefully if he shits out they'll dump him for one of the challenger supports. Especially because the current roster lock is just for relegations and battle of the Atlantic. I kind of hope XDG do what they were talking about and swap xmithie and zuna positions. And then drop zuna as sub and bring in scubachris as starting junglers because zuna will probably be a liability in the jungle as well.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:48
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Kick Cruzer and Kiwikid for MegaZero and MeyeA.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:54
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curiousCat posted:Don't we still have, like, three months until the season starts? That's plenty of time for dig to kick kiwi in favor of, say, M eye A. I agree (although I'm kinda hoping for Gleebglarbu), I feel like there's no way Dig goes into the season with Kiwi at support. On-stream he looks better with a randomly assigned support than when he's duo'd with Kiwi, and that's night and day when like Doublelift/Aphromoo stream together. If Dig can pick up a good support, I think they'll have a better split gameplay-wise but I'd bet on a fifth-place finish behind the big three and probably CLG.
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Dec 9, 2013 23:57
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Previous Jesus posted:Kick Cruzer and Kiwikid for MegaZero and MeyeA. Nah just get Krepo when Velocity gets defeated  . I actually think Gleeb is the best pick from currently available supports. M Eye A was very reliant on one to two champions and playing aggressively.Edit: Also... MegaZero sucks in competitive play when push comes to shove. He didn't play well at Spring Relegations, he didn't play well last weekend. Dude chokes too hard.
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Dec 10, 2013 00:02
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Cutiepie and Krepo botlane ? That'd make Dig my favorite NA team 
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Dec 10, 2013 00:10
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The problem with Krepo is I want any team he's on to not make it to Championships or Worlds so he can be on the guest panel all the time.
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Studio posted:Edit: Also... MegaZero sucks in competitive play when push comes to shove. He didn't play well at Spring Relegations, he didn't play well last weekend. Dude chokes too hard. He played pretty well at Pax from what I remember, which was a live event in front of a huge crowd for a promotion spot, but I see your point. e: Yeah, if EG.NA or whatever doesn't qualify for LCS (which apparently they probably won't according to qtpie), I'd prefer to see Krepo doing some sort of commentary/analysis. Being on Dig would be cool, too, though.
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Dec 10, 2013 00:26
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I also think Gleeb is the best non-LCS support and I hope one of the LCS teams picks him up. Or when all the roster configurations happen after the teams get settled.
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Dec 10, 2013 00:27
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BrainToad posted:Kiwi isn't the permanent support so hopefully if he shits out they'll dump him for one of the challenger supports. Especially because the current roster lock is just for relegations and battle of the Atlantic. I remember hearing somewhere that they tried switching Xmithie and Zuna and it just didn't work out so they switched back. Also didn't Scubachris retire from competitive LoL forever?
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Dec 10, 2013 01:22
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A Moose posted:I remember hearing somewhere that they tried switching Xmithie and Zuna and it just didn't work out so they switched back. Also didn't Scubachris retire from competitive LoL forever? Didn't Brunch U?
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Dec 10, 2013 01:23
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A Moose posted:I remember hearing somewhere that they tried switching Xmithie and Zuna and it just didn't work out so they switched back. Also didn't Scubachris retire from competitive LoL forever? I think it was always something they were just trying out, but I remember mancloud talking about it on his stream. If XDG gave scubachris the chance to go active roster he'd probably do it. The only reason he is "retired" is because of the drama that happened with NiD
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Dec 10, 2013 01:31
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I'm surprised MegaZero doesn't have stronger nerves, shouldn't he have been toughened up from being shoved in lockers and trash cans all his life?
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Dec 10, 2013 01:46
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Jerkface posted:I'm surprised MegaZero doesn't have stronger nerves, shouldn't he have been toughened up from being shoved in lockers and trash cans all his life? He came off as an entitled baby when he popped off at Marn on reddit over supposed withheld money. Marn went through the expenses that the team insisted on at the time and mentioned how they did a lot of damage to the furnished house they rented, and just how it was ridiculous that MegaZero would talk about withheld money when they didn't take any responsibility for keeping the place in good condition or cleaning up at all when it was time to move out. Granted Marn is a shithead too, but I trust his account of what went down over Mega's.
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Dec 10, 2013 01:56
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Riot wound up paying the ex-MRN players and permabanning Marn from LCS and all related tournaments in any capacity.
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Dec 10, 2013 02:05
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curiousCat posted:Don't we still have, like, three months until the season starts? Last season started 2/7 and that was a couple weeks late from what I remember. I'd fully expect LCS to start up in a month.
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Never trust Marn.
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