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Archonex posted:
I stopped being a fan of shotguns in Breakdown, and I'm only on difficulty 3 right now. It used to be fun to run around and shotgun anything you see in the face, but now it's way too easy for things to spiral out of control with such loud weapons. Which is a shame really, as the only 2 really interesting gun specialties (shotgun & revolver) can't be silenced, and are all super loud. All the other specialties are barely worth having. Like Rifles, which literally does nothing on PC.
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Tommofork posted:Is there ever any reason not to use the Alamo as a base? Amen to that. There aren't many bases I don't like (pretty much just the stupid OP'd warehouse, and also I'm not fond of the workshop situation at Kirkman), but the Alamo is definitely the one with the most panache and most awesome action happening constantly.
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Dec 10, 2013 03:23
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It is the best base by far in terms of awesome poo poo going down right outside your door and there's plenty of interesting places to go within walking distance.
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Trustworthy posted:Amen to that. There aren't many bases I don't like (pretty much just the stupid OP'd warehouse, and also I'm not fond of the workshop situation at Kirkman), but the Alamo is definitely the one with the most panache and most awesome action happening constantly. For a lark I altered the loot tables to cheese myself an M16 for every survivor. I think I will set up at the Alamo next, with zero outposts, and begin my re-enactment of Zombinam. I should have brought more military guys in fatigues.
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Dec 10, 2013 05:55
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Why aren't my cars being repaired at Snyder? It has a built-in workshop. I thought at worst without a mechanic the body/tires would get repaired but it doesn't seem like it. Do I keep looking for survivors hoping for a mechanic?
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Dec 10, 2013 06:15
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Knightmare posted:Why aren't my cars being repaired at Snyder? It has a built-in workshop. I thought at worst without a mechanic the body/tires would get repaired but it doesn't seem like it. Do I keep looking for survivors hoping for a mechanic? You're parking them in the spaces, right? I was accidently parking cars in between them and it wouldn't repair.
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Dec 10, 2013 06:24
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Ugly In The Morning posted:You're parking them in the spaces, right? I was accidently parking cars in between them and it wouldn't repair. I'm pretty sure. I feel dumb since I posted here a lot in June helping people out and now I'm stumped.
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Dec 10, 2013 06:41
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Knightmare posted:I'm pretty sure. I feel dumb since I posted here a lot in June helping people out and now I'm stumped. Sometimes Snyder's workshop goes into 'Real' workshop, which only repairs Tires/Body, not engine. This is why you need out Delete Built-In Mods.
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Dec 10, 2013 06:57
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Yeah, Snyder's workshop is randomized. Sometimes you get a fully-upgraded machine shop that will do everything, sometimes you get only a basic workshop. It's honestly pretty dumb, because you can't upgrade it, so if you get shafted by the RNG you're just stuck with a crap facility.
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Dec 10, 2013 07:26
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Does the workshop in Snyders change between levels in breakdown?
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Dec 10, 2013 07:29
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Mister Bates posted:Yeah, Snyder's workshop is randomized. Sometimes you get a fully-upgraded machine shop that will do everything, sometimes you get only a basic workshop. It's honestly pretty dumb, because you can't upgrade it, so if you get shafted by the RNG you're just stuck with a crap facility. I think if you have a Tools Expert in your group when you do the cleanup of the workshop, it gives you the machine shop, and if not, just the workshop. Every time I've gone to Snyders, it's followed this pattern. Doesn't matter if you get the Tools Expert later, has to be when you do the cleanup.
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Dec 10, 2013 11:37
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Dude that was having Snyder workshop issues, can you take a screenshot with the workshop highlighted in your journal? I just want to see the official in game name of the workshop. Also Archonex, you can copy the action below onto the actions section of the built in facility variants to make them destroyable. In game\libs\class3.1\rts\facilities.xml of the breakdownc.pak. Important bits are OutputDelayTime="15m" which makes it take 15 minutes to destroy, and the variables in the input section. I made this example cost 10 materials and 50 influence because why not. I'm considering making destroying all buildings cost materials because I hate fun.  code:
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Dec 10, 2013 12:33
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Skandranon posted:I think if you have a Tools Expert in your group when you do the cleanup of the workshop, it gives you the machine shop, and if not, just the workshop. Every time I've gone to Snyders, it's followed this pattern. Doesn't matter if you get the Tools Expert later, has to be when you do the cleanup. There is a lot of game logic like this that gets misunderstood I feel. It makes sense that a mechanic would be able to turn it into a machine shop, but an electrician wouldn't. Another is the use of ranged weapons by the AI. Ranged should be a last resort due to scarcity of ammo and threat of attracting more zombies with gunfire.
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Dec 10, 2013 16:16
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lunatikfringe posted:There is a lot of game logic like this that gets misunderstood I feel. It makes sense that a mechanic would be able to turn it into a machine shop, but an electrician wouldn't. Another is the use of ranged weapons by the AI. Ranged should be a last resort due to scarcity of ammo and threat of attracting more zombies with gunfire. The problem with the latter thing is that they just don't fire most of the time. You can test the shooting thing out yourself, in fact. Edit the radioptions.xml file to make it so you can summon SWAT backup at any time. Watch as they ignore 95 percent of all zombies and only occasionally pop off a snap shot. Their NPC name in the code is listed as mercenary by the way, if you want to look up the code handling how they shoot. There's a bunch of rules for handling shooting/firing types commented out as well. I need to track all of that stuff down to see if it can be re-enabled. If so that could probably fix that particular issue. Archonex fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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Dec 10, 2013 18:00
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I really hope the next DLC is either A) A couple random new maps to spawn in on Breakdown, or B) An extensive polishing to fix a lot of AI issues like this and perhaps deepen the gameplay a bit.
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Dec 10, 2013 18:21
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Not sure if I'm the only one it's happened to, but after going to next Breakdown level, the default storage at Snyder is labeled as "Alamo storage" or something to that effect. Not really a big deal, just thought I'd let you know.
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Dec 10, 2013 19:53
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Kasonic posted:I really hope the next DLC is either A) A couple random new maps to spawn in on Breakdown, or B) An extensive polishing to fix a lot of AI issues like this and perhaps deepen the gameplay a bit. I hope it's both of those things! Otherwise honestly I won't be too excited to spend more money on the game. Don't get me wrong, the game is great, and I've gotten my money's worth out of it, but the full initial game plus Breakdown is enough for me without having to deal with the same AI bugs and the same broken gameplay quirks as the last 2 iterations. Also, yes even Trumbull County has gotten old for me after about 50 hours of play across 360 and PC.
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Dec 10, 2013 19:55
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Is it just me, or does the difficulty spike way up at level 3? It's not so bad if you've been leveling and stocking up over level 2 to 3, but starting fresh at Level 3, there were loads of runner zombies, hardly any cars, and there were enclaves already squatting in the Church base, and most of the local area had already been looted.
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Dec 10, 2013 20:10
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I had a Wall Repairs, -10 Materials chance card come up imediately after starting the next level, so I had to go loot some materials just to settle whatever house is in the first town. Man that was bullshit.
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Dec 10, 2013 20:28
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This game feels like everything I've always wanted in a survival game. I just got to the point where I can upgrade buildings and I feel like I've barely scratched the surface. I hope this is the leap forward that this genre needed and I hope companies push it forward and build on it.
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Dec 10, 2013 21:51
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Aw man, is the Ranger Station unavailable in Breakdown? It's still marked as a potential base, but having cleared it out I'm still unable to move there (plenty of fame, resources, etc.). I've trying a bunch of things but keep getting a "can't do that" error dialogue. UNNNGH I HAVE A GIMMICK ALAN PLAYTHROUGH READY TO GO HERE!
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Dec 10, 2013 22:06
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Yeah, if I remember correctly the Ranger Station is bugged and impossible to re-settle. Maybe one of the elite hackers in the thread have found something in the code-tangle of this game.
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Dec 10, 2013 23:13
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The Ranger Station has a grand total of two building slots, IIRC, so if it can be settled it would be even smaller than the Alamo and literally the worst home site in the game.
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Dec 10, 2013 23:40
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Mister Bates posted:The Ranger Station has a grand total of two building slots, IIRC, so if it can be settled it would be even smaller than the Alamo and literally the worst home site in the game. Probably not a lot of hordes, though!
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Dec 10, 2013 23:46
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Flame112 posted:Probably not a lot of hordes, though! Every time I go up to the Ranger Station on supply runs I end up in the middle of at least 3 hordes, so I think you'd be unpleasantly surprised.
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Dec 11, 2013 00:04
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Yeah, I almost lost Maya to a shitload of hordes when I went to get that goddamn fish watch for Lily.
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Dec 11, 2013 00:11
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Regarding the Ranger Station in Breakdown, take note that the bridge is not there. I learned this the hard way when I hit the gap with a cop car at full speed. I didn't clear the jump. The ranger station is pretty much a pain to incorporate in a playthrough of breakdown because of the aforementioned bridge situation. No, I don't think I want to drive all the way to the trashed bridge, climb down a cliff, climb up another cliff, and run through the woods on foot for 5 minutes just so I can help you clear out an infestation in some cabin. Basically what I'm saying is if you're an NPC in my game and you're in trouble over by the National Park, you're hosed. quote:Is it just me, or does the difficulty spike way up at level 3? It's not so bad if you've been leveling and stocking up over level 2 to 3, but starting fresh at Level 3, there were loads of runner zombies, hardly any cars, and there were enclaves already squatting in the Church base, and most of the local area had already been looted. I think RNG has a lot to do with it, I really only started feeling the sting of increased difficulty at level 4. About 30 seconds after moving into my first homebase, I got a TOO MANY HORDES message with about 6 hordes all hoofing for Savini House, and not a car in sight. Luckily the 70+ petrol bombs I'd been stockpiling up to that point got some good use.
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Dec 11, 2013 00:17
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Mental Midget posted:Regarding the Ranger Station in Breakdown, take note that the bridge is not there. I learned this the hard way when I hit the gap with a cop car at full speed. I didn't clear the jump. It's actually pretty easy to clear that jump in any car except the lovely blue pickup, as long as you make sure to hit it dead straight. After some experimentation and practice, I have about an 80% success rate clearing it
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Dec 11, 2013 00:31
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Flame112 posted:Probably not a lot of hordes, though! I just got Breakdown on XBox and it's pretty rad so far, I got my rear end kicked right away but my second try is doing fine and I'm about to move to a new safehouse. Survivor Enclaves at the ranger lodge area's very northern edge are The Worst Thing when you don't even have enough loot to build a medical building and everyone sick/tired out of the gate..! This is the SoD I was hoping for. 
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Dec 11, 2013 00:49
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This game hits a weird point in Breakdown, where I've got truckloads of assault rifles, bombs, swords, all the opiates an addict could want, and 15 other survivors sharing the bunks with my A-Team. But I'm still constantly hurting for medicine and materials. The Fairgrounds have 3 rucks full of delicious carpentry accessories parked right by the main entrance, but I'm in Snyder and getting really tied of making that drive  Just feels strange. edit: vvvv The Alamo is a really fun HQ because it's also really busy. You'll be pulling a train of zombies form almost any approach, and hordes pass that intersection all the time. Every supply run you'll be coming home to the wonderful sound of automatic gunfire. The getting attacked while AFK at your supply vault is kind of annoying though Kasonic fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Dec 11, 2013 |
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Dec 11, 2013 01:10
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Archonex posted:It's also got better defensive AI than the Savini residence. I've yet to see more than the guy in the watchtower defend Savini with guns. But the Alamo will, with enough survivors with guns on standby, sometimes set up a straight up zombie style turkey shoot. Is the Alamo the only homesite with AI that works decently? If so I am tempted at another playthrough just to hold the Alamo 
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Dec 11, 2013 01:31
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Karl Sharks posted:Not sure if I'm the only one it's happened to, but after going to next Breakdown level, the default storage at Snyder is labeled as "Alamo storage" or something to that effect. Not really a big deal, just thought I'd let you know. That was an issue with my first take at removable buildings. I posted a fix a bit later after I worked it out. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zfle687i9k4mfs1/DestroyableBuiltInFixed.zip If you were using the fixed version let me know as that shouldn't be happening and wasn't when I was testing.
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Dec 11, 2013 05:22
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Tommofork posted:That was an issue with my first take at removable buildings. I posted a fix a bit later after I worked it out. It's not your mod, I'm getting the same bug on the 360 version, which literally can't be modded.
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Dec 11, 2013 09:35
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Another bug I just came across on the 360 version, Chemical Incendiaries are broken and can't be built. They don't see the Med Lab for some reason.
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Dec 11, 2013 09:46
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Mister Bates posted:It's not your mod, I'm getting the same bug on the 360 version, which literally can't be modded. Huh. Well, ok. Jonny Retro posted:Another bug I just came across on the 360 version, Chemical Incendiaries are broken and can't be built. They don't see the Med Lab for some reason. That's in the PC version too. There's a typo telling the workshop to look for a type of medical building that doesn't exist.
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Dec 11, 2013 10:29
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So I tried the Kirkman residence and it's hilariously good for starting out on when starting out on Breakdown. With six outposts you can pretty much cover the entire city when you use the set traps option, making for really easy powerlooting of everything. Do a minimum amount of upgrading (probably just an infirmary and storage area) and you can stockpile resources and a bunch of weapons before moving on to the Fairgrounds or Warehouse.
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Dec 11, 2013 14:53
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I don't know if it's a problem with Breakdown, a Title Update, or myself, but my "success" in flipping over cars has skyrocketed. Is this happening to anyone else? Also, I made a point to stockpile resources before moving on to Level 3 (since someone said earlier that they carry over), but it didn't seem to have any impact. When Level 3 began, I only had 10x Food, 10x Medicine, 30x Materials, etc... which looked to me like hard-coded values. Is this what other people are experiencing? I kind of hope it is, since resource-hoarding isn't very fun.
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OldMemes posted:Is it just me, or does the difficulty spike way up at level 3? It's not so bad if you've been leveling and stocking up over level 2 to 3, but starting fresh at Level 3, there were loads of runner zombies, hardly any cars, and there were enclaves already squatting in the Church base, and most of the local area had already been looted.  .Atmus posted:I had a Wall Repairs, -10 Materials chance card come up imediately after starting the next level, so I had to go loot some materials just to settle whatever house is in the first town. Man that was bullshit. Kasonic posted:edit: vvvv The Alamo is a really fun HQ because it's also really busy. You'll be pulling a train of zombies form almost any approach, and hordes pass that intersection all the time. Every supply run you'll be coming home to the wonderful sound of automatic gunfire. Tibeerius posted:Also, I made a point to stockpile resources before moving on to Level 3 (since someone said earlier that they carry over), but it didn't seem to have any impact. When Level 3 began, I only had 10x Food, 10x Medicine, 30x Materials, etc... which looked to me like hard-coded values. Is this what other people are experiencing? I kind of hope it is, since resource-hoarding isn't very fun. Also, fun fact that I found out while trying to unlock the grenadier hero: Apparently grenade launchers don't count as explosives! And I went through my entire stash of 60 plus grenades before I realized that  . Stick to nail bombs, folks.Edit: also am I the only one who refuses to ever build medical facilities outside? Like, I get that it makes almost no real difference in actual gameplay but it just seems like sanitation wise you really don't want sick people lying out in the open... InequalityGodzilla fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Dec 11, 2013 |
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Dec 11, 2013 16:04
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Tibeerius posted:I don't know if it's a problem with Breakdown, a Title Update, or myself, but my "success" in flipping over cars has skyrocketed. Is this happening to anyone else? I've been experiencing this too, but I haven't played since June and forgot what it was like back then. All I remember is the car physics have always been a little goofy.
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Dec 11, 2013 16:22
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Does the vanilla game get any harder? Granted, I've played conservatively, and I'm still at the church (gotta go get doc) but zombie hordes are like 10 zombies, and infestations are super underwhelming. Im definitely going to finish the story mode as a way to familiarize myself with the map, but I'm already looking foward to installing the Romero mod, and whatever mod package the pros in this thread eventually put together. I expected serious resource scarcity, a reliance on stealth and proper hordes in my head. Instead I just drive everywhere and run hordes over. Breakdown really sounds like its what I wanted. I am really enjoying the game though, and the resource management is pretty cool. I like the outpost/resources system. I don't have the knowledge to make data/line changes, so please make a copy/paste package or something soon 
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Waroduce posted:I expected serious resource scarcity, a reliance on stealth and proper hordes in my head. This is basically Breakdown word for word.
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