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I am a racist and:fade5 posted:
edit: oh crap, this post sounds vaguely racist. italics added to clarify.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Is "natural born citizen" actually an unsettled bit of constitutional law? I always took it to mean you had to be born in a US territory. It's just a fancy way of saying "white"
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Dec 15, 2013 05:15
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And of course it should be clarified that the term "white" really just means "one of the good ones."
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Dec 15, 2013 06:14
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The_Rob posted:It just baffles me that the Highest rated news channel is a white supremacy channel. There's a bit from the documentary, "Blood in the Face" where they've got a meeting from various white separatist spokesmen and one of them discusses about how they'll never get their own channel on TV, but to get the message out they're to use a tactic of exchanging their video tapes between themselves to share with friends and family to bring them on board. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a844g6dz_x0 (8m10s mark) There's one thing in all that that gives me the chills, and that's the guy who is giving the advice on bringing your friends into it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYg_9U1_9oE (50 second mark)
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Dec 15, 2013 06:43
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Thanks to whoever linked the Jamie Johnson wealth documentaries. I'm surprised I hadn't seen them or heard of him before, but I just spent the morning riveted by both. I'll link both again since I think the second one wasn't linked. Born Rich: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xhuSxyHWRw The One Percent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmlX3fLQrEc pentyne posted:The guy who created the documentary, Jamie Johnson, is the only person who in either of his films manages to come across as someone genuinely bothered by his wealth and confused as how to deal with it. He talks about how his 18th birthday was spent with him signing massive amounts of legal documents, drawing up a will, forming trusts and various accounts, etc. He ended up giving up on school and worked on an oil rig for 6 months before going back to resuming his wealthy life. The Condé-Nast guy didn't seem so insane, and seemed to be pretty reasonable. It also made me like Ivanka Trump more than I did before. It's really easy to just look at her on The Apprentice, and not really think about the trauma she's been through in terms of having Donald Trump as her father. The cardinal sin of that doc is just that most everyone in it is so young that it's hard to get a read on what pieces of them being a lovely human being would persist and which they'd grow out of. In the second doc, the interview with Friedman was really good even if Jamie is in over his head in terms of economics. It really exposes Friedman as a useful Yes-man for the rich when he calls returning to a more progressive tax structure socialism. The thing that surprised me was what a dick Warren Buffett turned out to be. There's been some anti-Buffett posts here and there in D&D recently, and those + the second Jamie Johnson doc definitely made me rethink how I feel about him and the Gates Foundation. Instead of seeming like an ultra-progressive, it seems to me like Buffett is just one of the rare guys who actually believes in some of the bootstraps social theory without exempting himself or his family. It seems like the most important thing for him is not ultimately where his money goes, but that he doesn't want his kids to be soft. I sympathize with that considering how hosed up the people were in Born Rich, but it was real crazy to see his granddaughter disowned for practicing what he was ultimately preaching. Hilarious side note, rich people sure get uncomfortable when you start talking about money in any sense other than them getting to keep what they inherited. It's hilarious.
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Dec 15, 2013 07:10
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fade5 posted:On the white Jesus part, the first thing that popped into my mind was Huey Freeman: I have never understood the black jesus thing, he was an arabic looking dude from the middle east.
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Dec 15, 2013 08:06
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Do you understand the white Jesus thing?
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Dec 15, 2013 08:37
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Maybe Jesus can be another color?
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Dec 15, 2013 08:41
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pd187 posted:Do you understand the white Jesus thing? 
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Dec 15, 2013 09:15
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ErIog posted:The thing that surprised me was what a dick Warren Buffett turned out to be. There's been some anti-Buffett posts here and there in D&D recently, and those + the second Jamie Johnson doc definitely made me rethink how I feel about him and the Gates Foundation. Instead of seeming like an ultra-progressive, it seems to me like Buffett is just one of the rare guys who actually believes in some of the bootstraps social theory without exempting himself or his family. It seems like the most important thing for him is not ultimately where his money goes, but that he doesn't want his kids to be soft. I sympathize with that considering how hosed up the people were in Born Rich, but it was real crazy to see his granddaughter disowned for practicing what he was ultimately preaching. My brother-in-law is very rich, mostly from working connections that he has in the oil states of Africa and the ME as well as the government of India. He and my sister have three kids now and even though they're very young he spends a lot of time worrying that they'll turn out as bad as some of the children of the people that he knows and works with. I pointed to Buffett as an example of what he might want to consider doing, telling his kids that he'll provide for and help them get into any field that they want to, but that they shouldn't expect an inheritance. He hasn't said what he's planning, but his kids are a pair of newborns and a three year old, and he's still in "conquer the world" mode, so he probably hasn't made a lot of concrete plans.
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Dec 15, 2013 10:03
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Zeroisanumber posted:My brother-in-law is very rich, mostly from working connections that he has in the oil states of Africa and the ME as well as the government of India. He and my sister have three kids now and even though they're very young he spends a lot of time worrying that they'll turn out as bad as some of the children of the people that he knows and works with. I pointed to Buffett as an example of what he might want to consider doing, telling his kids that he'll provide for and help them get into any field that they want to, but that they shouldn't expect an inheritance. He hasn't said what he's planning, but his kids are a pair of newborns and a three year old, and he's still in "conquer the world" mode, so he probably hasn't made a lot of concrete plans. Well, a big problem with the kids in that movie seemed to be that their parents kept them completely isolated from the "common folk" and it warped their idea of what normal is and how to properly behave and treat other people. I don't think the kids were necessarily spoiled by being handed all the money they could ever need, but rather the way in which they were raised. Buffett is the kind of man who doesn't believe he is better than anyone because of his wealth, and so his children didn't grow up believing that either. I think his reaction to the Johnson documentary had more to do with what he felt was his privacy being invaded than anything else. My mom's dirt poor giant Catholic family went to a normal, public high school with Warren Buffett's kids, and from everything I've heard they were all-around good people. My uncle was actually really good friends with his daughter Susie and would go over to their house all the time and she even came to his funeral. The money thing is a factor, but I think it's more the environment they grow up in and the moral lessons they are taught that shape who they are as people. E: Another anecdote. I worked at Nebraska Furniture Mart for years, a company that is owned by Buffett's company Berkshire Hathaway, and I once personally loaded a desk chair into the back of his wife's several year old Ford Explorer. I don't know what he drove but I recall hearing it was some relatively modest Cadillac. They are not the kind of people who let their wealth affect their values. mr. mephistopheles fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Dec 15, 2013 |
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Dec 15, 2013 10:21
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Guilty Spork posted:Admittedly I only saw the clips as they were presented on the Daily Show and Colbert Report, but Kelly came off as extremely serious and non-jokey when she said that. If she did in fact mean it as a joke, as far as I can tell she managed a wholly un-joke-like delivery, to a degree that would be hard to manage on purpose. I can see how it happened. You have to get people emotionally engaged. So every year you do the war on christmas, and every year you have to make it bigger you have to be bigger cause you competing with people in your own organization, who might shout louder than you. This was in response to something a black woman wrote about how she felt left out growing up cause all the major figures are white. So you have war on christmas + race issues, remember the knock out game was just being pushed. So you get angry to get your viewers angry and you tell them your drawing the line cause not compromising is a sign of character and STATE JESUS AND SANTA ARE WHITE. which I think is stupid. I think O riley would have calmly and smoothy bent issue alot better. The race angle could be played as "I really feel for this woman and agree that the African American Community does have a problem. They have a lack of good role models for children to look up to. blah blah. I think its wrong to blame Santa for it blah blah" In fact I am amazed she back peddled I thought the whole point of her being combative is draw the line the sand and defend christmas. Baiting people to call you out on it would be great way to validate the narrative that your under attack
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Dec 15, 2013 11:57
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max4me posted:I can see how it happened. You have to get people emotionally engaged. So every year you do the war on christmas, and every year you have to make it bigger you have to be bigger cause you competing with people in your own organization, who might shout louder than you. Give Kelly a chance, she's only recently been wading around the kiddie pool off punditry. She'll find the right balance of ignorance and arrogance that made stars of hannity and oriley
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Dec 15, 2013 14:22
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pentyne posted:He ended up giving up on school and worked on an oil rig for 6 months before going back to resuming his wealthy life. That was the Vanderbilt-Whitney kid, and it was two years in oil fields in Texas. He was still somewhat vacuous, and yeah, he went back to his wealthy life afterwards, but he was the most sympathetic and self-aware of the group.
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Dec 15, 2013 14:47
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My Q-Face posted:That was the Vanderbilt-Whitney kid, and it was two years in oil fields in Texas. He was still somewhat vacuous, and yeah, he went back to his wealthy life afterwards, but he was the most sympathetic and self-aware of the group. I watched that video, and as someone who married into wealth through my mother, all those kids are shitheads and I recognize each of those kids from the brief time I spent with my mother and her husbands friends' kids. They are mentally and socially deranged and for the most part, solidify into huge dickbags after they go through their "liberal youth" where they question if it's fair that they get infinite resources and pleasure at the expense of others. e: gahh I just dredged up memories of going out to dinner with some of these cretins and basically being so loving embarrassed at the way they treated "the help". I'm pissing bile out of my eyes thinking about them. e: also if another multiple mansion owner tells me that some working class guy is "richer than he is" because of his huge debt, I'm going to erupt into flames. Rexicon1 fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Dec 15, 2013 |
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Dec 15, 2013 15:18
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Rexicon1 posted:Give Kelly a chance, she's only recently been wading around the kiddie pool off punditry. She'll find the right balance of ignorance and arrogance that made stars of hannity and oriley Hasn't she had a show there forever, but just the evening show is the new one? She knew what she was saying, there's not a ton of ways you can think you'll be taken when you say 'santa is what he is, white, and Jesus was a white man too'. Like, that's an objective statement of what you believe.
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Dec 15, 2013 15:56
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Hasn't she had a show there forever, but just the evening show is the new one? Reddit's top voted comment, on this story cited a bunch of wikipedia links and biotruths to prove her correct.
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Dec 15, 2013 16:14
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max4me posted:I can see how it happened. You have to get people emotionally engaged. So every year you do the war on christmas, and every year you have to make it bigger you have to be bigger cause you competing with people in your own organization, who might shout louder than you. She backpedaled because the whole schtick at Fox is plausibly deniable racism, and saying "Jesus and Santa are white, kids, just deal with it" isn't plausibly deniable, it's just plain old racist.
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Dec 15, 2013 17:19
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:She backpedaled because the whole schtick at Fox is plausibly deniable racism, and saying "Jesus and Santa are white, kids, just deal with it" isn't plausibly deniable, it's just plain old racist. How is that racist? Sounds like liberals are the real racists for thinking it's better to be one race than another 
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Dec 15, 2013 17:23
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Rexicon1 posted:I watched that video, and as someone who married into wealth through my mother, all those kids are shitheads and I recognize each of those kids from the brief time I spent with my mother and her husbands friends' kids. They are mentally and socially deranged and for the most part, solidify into huge dickbags after they go through their "liberal youth" where they question if it's fair that they get infinite resources and pleasure at the expense of others. I didn't mean to suggest he wasn't a shithead, just that he came off as less of one than the rest of them did. quote:e: also if another multiple mansion owner tells me that some working class guy is "richer than he is" because of his huge debt, I'm going to erupt into flames. Yeah, I just watched "The One Percent", interesting that his father took a stand against Apartheid, however long ago it was, and it seems he's genuinely concerned with the wealth gap and lack of social support for the neediest, but then he has that guy near the end talking about how rich he is on the inside. Seriously, some of the looks he gave when he got the reaction or the line he wanted from his interview subjects were just so
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Dec 15, 2013 17:26
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:How is that racist? Sounds like liberals are the real racists for thinking it's better to be one race than another I think its bad that I see a million ways to say what she said and not sound like poo poo heel. You lead into by explain what the lady was talking about regarding lack of black Christmas characters. You use this to insult the black community. You explain that the true meaning of christmas is about Christianity and you cant make Jesus black cause he was white. (though I think he is black in the Caribbean) The beloved tradition of the fictional character of santa clause well you cant just make him black he is white as well, thought its a shame the lack of inclusive black Christmas characters, this is still part of the war on christmas. Oh why cant the black community have the good role models and leaders it needs. But cant they admit this with out being so racist. Why do they need a role model that has a certain skin color blah blah. honestly this poo poo writes itself Once the backlash start just say your critics are the real racists rise and repeat.
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Dec 15, 2013 20:01
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Zeroisanumber posted:My brother-in-law is very rich, mostly from working connections that he has in the oil states of Africa and the ME as well as the government of India. He and my sister have three kids now and even though they're very young he spends a lot of time worrying that they'll turn out as bad as some of the children of the people that he knows and works with. I pointed to Buffett as an example of what he might want to consider doing, telling his kids that he'll provide for and help them get into any field that they want to, but that they shouldn't expect an inheritance. He hasn't said what he's planning, but his kids are a pair of newborns and a three year old, and he's still in "conquer the world" mode, so he probably hasn't made a lot of concrete plans. Tell the guy to just send them to public school. Ideally one that isn't the public school in the richest part of town. Honestly, it's not so much that having rich parents leads to shithead kids, its the social environment they grow up in. If they grow up in a toxic environment, such as a private school full of kids who's parents are constantly playing golden dick-waving games at the local country club or looking down on the poor, chances are the kid will grow up to be a toxic shithead. If a kid grows up around other kids his age from a relatively wide variety of social/economic situations, he's gonna end up being more well balanced and less of a toxic shithead.
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Dec 15, 2013 20:28
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beatlegs posted:She's FOX's brightest star. I see this and all I can think of is Basic Instict  She is going to kill us!max4me posted:I think its bad that I see a million ways to say what she said and not sound like poo poo heel. I had a friend literally say it was just 'leftists misinterpreting what she said'. 
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Dec 15, 2013 20:29
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Alkydere posted:Tell the guy to just send them to public school. Ideally one that isn't the public school in the richest part of town. There are plenty of high performing public schools, and public 'magnet' schools, that are generally better then any private schools. Private schools are generally either expensive boarding schools for children of elites to rub noses, or catholic schools that have varying levels of quality. "Waiting for Superman" was a b.s fake film that argued that private schools were inherently superior to public schools when every study ever conducted has found that at best they are equal but most likely worse given they don't have to follow the same laws as public schools.
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Dec 15, 2013 20:37
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Remulak posted:My understanding is that most of Trump's failed businesses only lose other investor's money. And all that explains why he's running a crazy, trolling twitter account, pandering to the lowest common denominator, and fake-running for President - because it gets his name in the news, and creates the illusion that he matters and that he's a mover and shaker and not some has-been eighties leftover, which is absolutely essential to him if he's going to keep paying his bills.
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Dec 15, 2013 20:50
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CommieGIR posted:I had a friend literally say it was just 'leftists misinterpreting what she said'. It should be a rule that when someone claims that someone was taken out of context, they should be forced to explain what the correct context was actually supposed to be.
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Dec 15, 2013 21:21
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pentyne posted:"Waiting for Superman" was a b.s fake film that argued that private schools were inherently superior to public schools when every study ever conducted has found that at best they are equal but most likely worse given they don't have to follow the same laws as public schools. And if private schools do rate better, it is because they have the freedom to just expel under-performing students for any reason at all. And I would be very surprised is all private schools averaged out equal to public schools given that the vast majority of private schools are hooked to churches as an income source and sold to parents based on the things they won't teach (evolution, sex ed, etc).
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Dec 15, 2013 22:53
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:And if private schools do rate better, it is because they have the freedom to just expel under-performing students for any reason at all. The top performing catholic schools are some of the best in the country, but the rest are just poorly managed institutions and exploit the poo poo out of teachers, pay terrible wages, and expel students come standardized testing time and overall offer much less then any public school can. The conservative fetish for breaking teacher's unions and demonizing public schools is astounding until you realize that the US public school system is the only thing allowing countless disadvantaged children (especially minorities) the chance to get an education.
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Dec 15, 2013 23:10
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The best private/charter school stories are the ones where they shut down overnight and all the students are screwed for that schoolyear. A wonderful lesson in the Free Market.
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Dec 15, 2013 23:20
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Maybe the problem conservatives have with dark-skinned Jesus is they would have to admit that either a) God is dark skinned (cause he's J's dad) or b) God chose a dark-skinned woman over a white woman to have his baby. These are the stupid arguments you get into when taking myths & fables literally.
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Dec 15, 2013 23:22
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pentyne posted:The top performing catholic schools are some of the best in the country, but the rest are just poorly managed institutions and exploit the poo poo out of teachers, pay terrible wages, and expel students come standardized testing time and overall offer much less then any public school can. For every Notre Dame of private primary schools, there are dozens Liberty/Bob Jones University analogs 
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Dec 15, 2013 23:57
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:And if private schools do rate better, it is because they have the freedom to just expel under-performing students for any reason at all. The other problem with charter/private schools is that they are self-selecting. It takes a certain level of knowledge and effort to get your child enrolled in these schools v. public school. The children from horribly poor, uneducated households are much less likely to enroll in these schools. The charter school kids are the ones whose parents will take an active interest in their education and make sure they do homework and such. They're also more likely to have sent their kids to preschool, read to them, and more likely to foster reading and study habits.
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Dec 16, 2013 01:07
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Full Sail Primary School
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Dec 16, 2013 01:10
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ShortStack posted:Full Sail Primary School University of Phoenix K-"MBA" No credit check student loans! (Please don't check our accreditation).
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Dec 16, 2013 01:13
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Nonsense posted:Reddit's top voted comment, on this story cited a bunch of wikipedia links and biotruths to prove her correct. Can you link to this?
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nm posted:The other problem with charter/private schools is that they are self-selecting. It takes a certain level of knowledge and effort to get your child enrolled in these schools v. public school. The children from horribly poor, uneducated households are much less likely to enroll in these schools. The charter school kids are the ones whose parents will take an active interest in their education and make sure they do homework and such. They're also more likely to have sent their kids to preschool, read to them, and more likely to foster reading and study habits.
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Dec 16, 2013 01:23
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quote:Francis said many places in the world were seeing a "serious rise" in inequality between people living side by side. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/12/us-pope-economy-idUSBRE9BB0EH20131212?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews This dude's gonna be the first Pope in history to get ex-communicated if he doesn't shut up.
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Mr Interweb posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/12/us-pope-economy-idUSBRE9BB0EH20131212?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews The Roman and Orthodox Churches excommunicated each other in 1054. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Schism
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Armyman25 posted:The Roman and Orthodox Churches excommunicated each other in 1054. That wasn't supposed to be an actual question! 
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