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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:brave new world was more like a commentary on what an actual 'utopia' would necessarily have to be most utopias don't try to address the main challenge of a utopia which is that you need to eliminate 90% of the existing population (with all their hosed up beliefs etc) to get there, BNW at least tries to show the mechanism
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mars trilogy is good for actually showing the mechanism of creating a better society as well.
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Jet Age posted:mars trilogy is good for actually showing the mechanism of creating a better society as well. yeah if u haven't read it then u hosed up and should srsly re-evaluate ur life decisions
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angry_keebler posted:the problem with the culture books is they are essentialy optimistic but reality is nothing but a series of increasingly depressing tragedies and good science fiction should make an effort to describe what the future could plausibly be like so everything in the future should probably just be a post industrial soft police state where nobody but the ultra wealthy get to experience the benefits of technology and ordinary people are menial laborers with no hope of nor capacity to develop the desire for meaningful revolution and yet people say "elysium" was too heavy-handed Jet Age posted:mars trilogy is good for actually showing the mechanism of creating a better society as well. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/12/kim-stanley-robinson-our-greatest-political-novelist.html
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ol qwerty bastard posted:http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/12/kim-stanley-robinson-our-greatest-political-novelist.html good article, I like it when someone way more articulate than me can explain my point of view on my behalf
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ol qwerty bastard posted:and yet people say "elysium" was too heavy-handed put the high tech happy colony in hawaii or a big bubble city in the middle of a desert and when matt damon tries to get help from the smuggler guy it turns out the smuggler is really just a member of the secret police and they arrest and torture matt damon for the entirety of act 2 and then they execute him in a dingy basement in act 3 and then the secret police laugh about it and have some beers and go home to their families where they are happy and rich and cool the end
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angry_keebler posted:put the high tech happy colony in hawaii or a big bubble city in the middle of a desert and when matt damon tries to get help from the smuggler guy it turns out the smuggler is really just a member of the secret police and they arrest and torture matt damon for the entirety of act 2 and then they execute him in a dingy basement in act 3 and then the secret police laugh about it and have some beers and go home to their families where they are happy and rich and cool the end that's not scifi though that's pretty much what illegal immigrants face when they try to enter the states
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angry_keebler posted:put the high tech happy colony in hawaii or a big bubble city in the middle of a desert and when matt damon tries to get help from the smuggler guy it turns out the smuggler is really just a member of the secret police and they arrest and torture matt damon for the entirety of act 2 and then they execute him in a dingy basement in act 3 and then the secret police laugh about it and have some beers and go home to their families where they are happy and rich and cool the end
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is there a sci-fi story where an advanced alien who arrives and starts imposing its will on earth in terrifying and incomprehensible ways turns out to be basically a frat boy going "cow-tipping?" I'm sure its like 4 Star Trek episodes but did I read a short story about this or imagine it?
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Pwnstar posted:is there a sci-fi story where an advanced alien who arrives and starts imposing its will on earth in terrifying and incomprehensible ways turns out to be basically a frat boy going "cow-tipping?" I'm sure its like 4 Star Trek episodes but did I read a short story about this or imagine it?  
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Pwnstar posted:is there a sci-fi story where an advanced alien who arrives and starts imposing its will on earth in terrifying and incomprehensible ways turns out to be basically a frat boy going "cow-tipping?" I'm sure its like 4 Star Trek episodes but did I read a short story about this or imagine it? i think there was an episode of star trek where cue got fired from the god club for that
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Sniep posted:i think there was an episode of star trek where cue got fired from the god club for that Sniep posted:star trek where cue got fired Sniep posted:star trek … cue shameful
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Cocoa Crispies posted:shameful
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sorry then, queue
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Jet Age posted:que? 
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syscall girl posted:unleash the unicorn, stop reading banks and check that out Just keep reading banks, you'll get to the end anyway. 
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inception was not a terrible movie pls dont fall into the cd trap of amazing or poo poo. it could have been better yeah but it was pretty and the practical effects made it rad also yeah some firey loins for cillian murphy
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i liked inception but it really didn't do much with the dream premise besides the spinning room and the one time someone used an impossible staircase
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how about if someone says that a movie is irredeemable crap they also have to give a movie that they think is pretty good in exchange so people can make fun of their lovely taste in cinema
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Glorgnole posted:how about if someone says that a movie is irredeemable crap they also have to give a movie that they think is pretty good in exchange so people can make fun of their lovely taste in cinema "inception is loving garbage, it can't even lick the boots of nightmare on elm street 3: dream warriors"
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how bout we give films awards for participation.
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Jet Age posted:most utopias don't try to address the main challenge of a utopia which is that you need to eliminate 90% of the existing population (with all their hosed up beliefs etc) to get there, BNW at least tries to show the mechanism i believe that stabilizing the human population to 10% of what it is now is the only way human civilization as we know it will survive the next 100 years i also believe there is no way to make this happen in a fair, just, and voluntary fashion so poo poo is going to get real bad (but hopefully not in my lifetime) unless we have a global pandemic or supervolcano or something more likely such as global crop failures due to global warming to make the hard choices for us (again hopefully not in my lifetime) but then that's likely to knock us back into the dark ages rather than stabilizing our population and resource consumption i'm also afraid that powerful individuals leading small but capable groups of people will apply themselves to doing something about this at some point and a scenario like 12 monkeys (sans time travel) or oryx & crake is going to happen
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Cold on a Cob posted:i believe that stabilizing the human population to 10% of what it is now is the only way human civilization as we know it will survive the next 100 years how about we minimize the loss of humanity's knowledge in some future post-megadisaster scenario by gathering a bunch of the smartest and most knowledgeable people into an enclave of civilization where they can maintain our way of life supported by technology and rationality and whatnot. meanwhile all the proles left outside in the barbaric remnants of civilization can be organized, supervised and led by agents of the enlightened tech enclave inserted into positions of power (ensuring that lots of humans are kept alive without requiring too many resources), while something really durable and pervasive (like a synthetic religion) could serve to focus them towards a common goal and make sure they don't starve and such, maybe reinforced by having something really big and miraculous happen every once in a while to keep the believers on their toes, like if a giant flying head came down from the heavens every once in a while to encourage them to keep their population regulated and also to spew guns and ammunition all over the place
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too risky, let's just make cool smart robots that will survive our inevitable extinction 
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Amethyst posted:absolute moron Amethyst posted:unironically recommend zardoz 
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started reading Use of weapons, the opening reads like it was written by a tvtroper.
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Amethyst posted:he would also foist the 9/11 conspiracy documentary loose change on to unsuspecting normies i guess this is on netflix now because my parents watched this a few days ago and were telling me about it  "it's a documentary, it can't be wrong!"
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every so often i remember that nice couple who went home with loose change and feel guilty that i didn't stop them
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Amethyst posted:i once worked in a video store with some absolute moron who would unironically recommend zardoz to innocent folk looking for a nice thriller to watch on a sunday are you sure he just wasnt loving with people because its hilarious?
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Amethyst posted:i once worked in a video store with some absolute moron who would unironically recommend zardoz to innocent folk looking for a nice thriller to watch on a sunday is your name Dante
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Gus Hobbleton posted:are you sure he just wasnt loving with people because its hilarious? definitely not. he was a 39 year old aspiring MMA fighter who spent his days giving his 19 year old co-workers sage advice on how the world really works
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blue stymie's not even supposed to be posting today!!! or ever
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I watched robot and frank. it was pretty good.
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i want a futute where i have a cool robot to drive around in on mars
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I want to be a robot neurosurgeon with the strength of five gorillas
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kicks forts posted:started reading Use of weapons, the opening reads like it was written by a tvtroper. yeah, some of his action stuff is dated like whoa then again, that was published 23 years ago, and he'd written a version of use of weapons as early as 1974
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:brave new world didn't really "gel" as a dystopia. everyone is living pretty happy lives and poo poo is fine thats pretty much the point, its actually a really hosed up place but everyone is happy with it for some reason so theres no change people by nature arent going to bother with change when theyre able to be fat, lazy, and content
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