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Better would have been Borg assimilated Lore, Lore overpowered the Borg ship through Loreness, Borg cut that ship free, and now there's Lore-Borg trying to expand Lore's consciousness.
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The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions were real bad though, no need for Star Trek to go there.
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Dec 16, 2013 06:57
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Farecoal posted:Also Nechayev was wrong, sorry Nechayev was right, and if Picard would have done what he was supposed to, trillions of lives throughout the galaxy would have been saved. But I guess it's ok for that many people to die so long as you can feel morally superior. But then I'm one of the few people who thinks Adama should have genocided the Cylons too, so I guess I'm a bad person 
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Dec 16, 2013 07:06
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You're the one, aren't you? The one who works for Section 31. You designed the Changeling virus. It was you!!
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Dec 16, 2013 07:10
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counterfeitsaint posted:Nechayev was right, and if Picard would have done what he was supposed to, trillions of lives throughout the galaxy would have been saved. But I guess it's ok for that many people to die so long as you can feel morally superior. For me the Cylons are tougher to genocide from a morality standpoint since they're all individuals and each capable of good and evil, so genociding them is actual genocide. Borg pre-Voyager are just technological locusts that assimilate everything with which they come in contact. So.. Nechayev was right and you're a bad person. 
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Dec 16, 2013 07:11
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hailthefish posted:Borg pre-Voyager are just technological locusts that assimilate everything with which they come in contact. So, Hugh is just a particularly adorable little locust, but 7 of 9 is a special flower of humanity for whom no sacrifice is too great to bring into blossom?
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Dec 16, 2013 07:47
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1st AD posted:The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions were real bad though, no need for Star Trek to go there. One AI trying to take over the whole Matrix for reasons that are never explained wasn't why those movies sucked...
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Dec 16, 2013 07:52
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Nah, after I, Hugh, the Borg needed to update and get hip for the kids. Get Run DMC in as a trio of hip hop Borg whose individuality expresses itself with sick beats and mad rhymes. Hip Hop Borg? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdfuIl4cq_0
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Dec 16, 2013 07:52
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Sash! posted:One AI trying to take over the whole Matrix for reasons that are never explained wasn't why those movies sucked... Yeah but it was an important one.
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Dec 16, 2013 07:53
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A while ago someone posted some shots of the TNG where you could read a load of stuff on ship screens that they obviously never thought would get read. Anyone know where I can find these? They were pretty funny.
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Dec 16, 2013 09:03
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Okudagrams? There's a few here: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/displays1.htm
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Dec 16, 2013 09:20
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Nah, after I, Hugh, the Borg needed to update and get hip for the kids. Get Run DMC in as a trio of hip hop Borg whose individuality expresses itself with sick beats and mad rhymes. Please. If its anyone it would be everyone's favorite intergalactic hip-hop artists traveling back through time from the 31st century: Deltron Zero, The Cantankerous Captain Aptos, and Skiznoid the Boy Wonder. 
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Dec 16, 2013 10:27
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While they're a change in direction, I think that Space Zombie Borg are perfectly fine and really scary. Obviously this does not excuse anything Voyager does with them. I also have some issues with "They aren't interested in you, they are interested in the ship, your technology. Except their technology is far in advance of yours. And actually there are a bit interested in you. Also now they've decided to take your technology they're also going to enslave you for some reason". TNG Borg aren't really a force of nature - they're the ultimate Space Imperialists, grabbing whatever resources take their fancy and overturning entire civilisations without a second thought in order to service their needs. A Borg Cube is like a Gunboat showing up at Zanzibar and saying "Give us all your stuff".
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Dec 16, 2013 11:03
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kelvron posted:Okudagrams? There's a few here: That's the kind of thing I meant, thanks. I saw some more where there was a mixture of nonsense, in jokes and jokes that they obviously thought we'd never read.
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Dec 16, 2013 11:24
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The borg would be a hell of a lot creepier if they maintained some semblance of an individual consciousness after being assimilated. Instead of being shambling automatons, they'd still be vaguely recognizable as who they were before but now really convinced this whole borg thing is the greatest and really adamant that you should try it out (you'll like it). That would imply they either have some insidious way of altering thoughts you think of as your own, or that they're actually right. Both options are a hell of a lot more terrifying than being turned into a mindless drone. It also fits more with their theme of adding your biological and technological distinctiveness to their own, if you actually maintain some sort of distinctiveness.
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Remember the Cybermen from Doctor Who? The Cybermen are a fictional race of cyborgs who are amongst the most persistent enemies of the Doctor in the British science fiction television programme, Doctor Who. Cybermen were originally a wholly organic species of humanoids originating on Earth's twin planet Mondas that began to implant more and more artificial parts into their bodies as a means of self-preservation. This led to the race becoming coldly logical and calculating, with every emotion deleted from their minds. They weren't mindless, just became very cold and single minded in their pursuit of kicking rear end and kicking everyone else's rear end. You had this cool backstory, a bit like that new Dues Ex game, where cybernetics are incorporated into society and the Cybermen are the endgame if there are no restrictions. They are individuals though.. transformed beyond recognition.. but still a society of individuals working in concert to achieve their dark plans. As they are relatively few in number, the Cybermen tend towards covert activity, scheming from hiding and using human pawns or robots to act in their place until they need to appear. They also seek to increase their numbers by converting others into Cybermen (a process known as "cyber-conversion" or "robotisation" in the older episodes and "upgrading" in the newer episodes), an often painful process as body parts are removed and replaced with a cybernetic replacement. There is not even that many of them, certainly not the zerg rush approach of the Borg and hence the whole thing has an angle of subversion and complexity requiring developed individual minds rather than SWARM THEIR BASE.
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Dec 16, 2013 12:42
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Tony Montana posted:Remember the Cybermen from Doctor Who? And then the Doctor beat them that one time by giving them back their human emotions and the pain of being a robot made their heads explode. Which was kind of a dick move.
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Dec 16, 2013 14:08
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crazyvanman posted:A while ago someone posted some shots of the TNG where you could read a load of stuff on ship screens that they obviously never thought would get read. Anyone know where I can find these? They were pretty funny. Just spend some time surfing Memory Alpha because for some ridiculous reason the editors there have decided all that stuff is canon because it appeared on screen. For example, did you know daffyduckium is an element?
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Jeez Quark looks weird in the pilot. I haven't watched it since the first time, so I thought I'd visit haired-but-not-bearded-Sisko. edit: odo and dukat look different too, but it's not as jarring. edit^2: does Kira have brow-ridges in addition to her nose wrinkle? 
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Dec 16, 2013 14:55
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If I remember rightly Quark's nose wasn't quite ready for the pilot so they used a different prosthesis compared to the normal one, I think it's actually Rom's regular nose.
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:If I remember rightly Quark's nose wasn't quite ready for the pilot so they used a different prosthesis compared to the normal one, I think it's actually Rom's regular nose. I think you're right. Rom was in the background running a dabo wheel, but yeah, Quark has rom's nose. The only person who looks exactly the same is Morn!
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Dec 16, 2013 15:21
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Also, in the pilot they did not fire a shotgun full of eyeshadow into Quark's face, so his eyes look really weird.
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Trent posted:Jeez Quark looks weird in the pilot. I love haired-but-not-bearded-Sisko, if you put him next to beard-but-not-haired-Sisko they are like polar opposites and it makes me really happy for some reason.
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Shoehead posted:I love haired-but-not-bearded-Sisko, if you put him next to beard-but-not-haired-Sisko they are like polar opposites and it makes me really happy for some reason. Over the course of the series, he turns into his own evil twin.
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Dec 16, 2013 16:56
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The wrong Ben Sisko came back from the Mirror Universe that one time.
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Dec 16, 2013 16:59
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:The wrong Ben Sisko came back from the Mirror Universe that one time. Psych! The Mirror and OG Sisko were actually the same all along!
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I finally got to the part of DS9 where Odo is so busy having weird changeling sex that everyone's plans go completely to poo poo until the last minute, when an almost literal deus ex machina is called out of the wormhole to clean everything up. It was a really fun run of episodes at the beginning of season 6, but I can't help but feel the ending was just a bit of a copout to get everything back to business as usual. We'll see, I guess.
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Hey this episode had a very cold start... Riker just suddenly snagged his leg and...oh no this is it isn't it?!
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Bicyclops posted:I finally got to the part of DS9 where Odo is so busy having weird changeling sex that everyone's plans go completely to poo poo until the last minute, when an almost literal deus ex machina is called out of the wormhole to clean everything up. If you were watching Voyager, you'd be right. But you're watching DS9.
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Bicyclops posted:I finally got to the part of DS9 where Odo is so busy having weird changeling sex that everyone's plans go completely to poo poo until the last minute, when an almost literal deus ex machina is called out of the wormhole to clean everything up. It felt like a cop-out to me the first time I saw it but when you think about it it simply had to be part of a larger overall arc. Rom succeeded, just a second too late. It would have been even simpler to have Rom finish his sabotage on time. Plus the Prophets are at least an established part, if not a well developed part, of the series. I don't think they pulled it off as well as they could have, mostly because of the Prophets being fairly bit players for the entire series, but it couldn't have been something to get the writers out of a corner because there were more than a few other ways to get out of the "corner."
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Dec 16, 2013 23:13
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Hey remember how I said earlier that I wanted to watch all the Bad Trek as well as the Good Trek. Skipping this clipshow would be cheating!
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Dec 16, 2013 23:31
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Shoehead posted:Hey this episode had a very cold start... Riker just suddenly snagged his leg and...oh no this is it isn't it?! I'm not going to lie you are in for some serious bij right now.
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Dec 16, 2013 23:42
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Shoehead, I am going to lie to you. Listen carefully. This statement is a lie.
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Dec 16, 2013 23:43
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Shoehead, I am going to lie to you. Listen carefully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuYbDP2kDfg
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Dec 16, 2013 23:45
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Shoehead posted:Hey remember how I said earlier that I wanted to watch all the Bad Trek as well as the Good Trek. Skipping this clipshow would be cheating! I made this decision and after a few more episodes of voyager, skipped to see what the pilot of enterprise was like. Then I fell in love with enterprise and am going to have to finish voyager (I'm up to late season five) before I reward myself with TOS. It's the worst
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Shoehead posted:Hey remember how I said earlier that I wanted to watch all the Bad Trek as well as the Good Trek. Skipping this clipshow would be cheating! 
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I have a dear friend who is an ardent Voyager apologist. He even posts on these forums. I will not name and shame. I tried to give it a fair shake for his sake, but the best praise I could muster was that some of the characters were pretty okay if you try to mentally adjust for the bad writing (Tuvok, Janeway, and Paris mostly), and I think if the writing were less bad and more consistent and the dialogue less wooden they would approach "likable."
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Dec 17, 2013 00:37
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Haha, you're IRL mates with Conquistador.
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Alchenar posted:While they're a change in direction, I think that Space Zombie Borg are perfectly fine and really scary. Obviously this does not excuse anything Voyager does with them.
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Hip-Hoptimus Rhyme posted:If you were watching Voyager, you'd be right. But you're watching DS9. Yeah Voyager would totally forget about the Prophets. Not DS9! They actually explore what it's like to be Space Jesus.
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