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Otisburg posted:I the best praise I could muster was that some of the characters were pretty okay if you try to mentally adjust for the bad writing (Tuvok, Janeway, and Paris mostly), and I think if the writing were less bad and more consistent and the dialogue less wooden they would approach "likable."
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Whalley posted:That's the worst bit of voyager though. It had so much potential and it just hosed up everything. It's the Star Trek equivalent of going to darfur so you can eat hamburgers with your family in front of a group of starving war orphans. I'm that disappointed in voyager loving its potential. It basically became Gilligan's Island in Space.
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A few days ago I had a chance to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture in HD. I watched this movie about a year ago in SD, so it's not like I hadn't seen it. I was so amazed at what a difference the HD makes. It somehow made the movie much more enjoyable. Now I have the first season of the TNG blurays and I've already watched Encounter at Farpoint. It was very enjoyable and I can't believe the difference being remastered makes to the watch-ability. So I guess I'm in for round two of watching all the Star Treks, this time in HD!
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Dec 17, 2013 01:51
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TomR posted:A few days ago I had a chance to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture in HD. I watched this movie about a year ago in SD, so it's not like I hadn't seen it. I was so amazed at what a difference the HD makes. It somehow made the movie much more enjoyable. TNG still hasn't finished being converted to HD (I think season 6 is coming up next?) and no DS9 HD  (or Voyager but who cares)
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Dec 17, 2013 01:55
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Farecoal posted:TNG still hasn't finished being converted to HD (I think season 6 is coming up next?) and no DS9 HD And if the idiots who vote at startrek.com have their way, Voyager will get the BR treatment before DS9.
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Dec 17, 2013 02:05
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Dec 17, 2013 02:10
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TomR posted:I wouldn't be surprised if they just stop after TNG. Yeah, the increased use of CGI in the later shows would dramatically complicate the process, and neither have the general prestige of TNG.
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Dec 17, 2013 02:23
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, the increased use of CGI in the later shows would dramatically complicate the process, and neither have the general prestige of TNG. Apparently the people who did the CGI for DS9 actually kept all of the files: http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/deep-space-nine-in-high-definition-one-step-closer/
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Dec 17, 2013 02:26
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Farecoal posted:Apparently the people who did the CGI for DS9 actually kept all of the files: http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/deep-space-nine-in-high-definition-one-step-closer/ I.... don't think we link or reference that site on here anymore.
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Trickjaw posted:I.... don't think we link or reference that site on here anymore. Sorry it was the only source 
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Farecoal posted:Apparently the people who did the CGI for DS9 actually kept all of the files: http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/deep-space-nine-in-high-definition-one-step-closer/ DemeaninDemon posted:Yeah Voyager would totally forget about the Prophets. Not DS9! They actually explore what it's like to be Space Jesus. Don't get me wrong, DS9 is awesome, but character development, with the exception of Nog and maybe Kira, isn't its strong suit.
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Dec 17, 2013 02:42
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Mogomra posted:I feel like this article is the Star Trek equivalent of medical knowledge gained by Nazi scientists experimenting on humans... The V-2 begat the PGM-11 which begat the Jupiter-C which begat the Mercury-Redstone. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
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Vagabundo posted:Haha, you're IRL mates with Conquistador. Whoa whoa whoa, what the gently caress, Vagabundo? There's being cheeky, then there's this horrific level of libel. Totally uncalled for, you monstrous prick. Jesus Christ in Heaven.
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Mister Kingdom posted:And if the idiots who vote at startrek.com have their way, Voyager will get the BR treatment before DS9. I loving hate Star Trek fans who do the "fandom" thing these days, invariably they'll be so into it that they miss the point of 99% of all the media and just salivate mindlessly at the drat brand name. I never want to be the guy that's all "Well, I love Star Trek! Except for this, this, this, and this-" but I'm almost starting to feel shame for not distancing myself from people who sat through all of Voyager and thought it was an exhilarating experience. Trickjaw posted:I.... don't think we link or reference that site on here anymore. I was hoping they got rid of him over there too, but I haven't been following. I do hope that having the DS9 CG files encourages them to put out that series next for completeness sake; as many dumbasses as there are out there I can't see Voyager encouraging people to buy more Star Trek series on blu-ray. Mogomra posted:I feel like this article is the Star Trek equivalent of medical knowledge gained by Nazi scientists experimenting on humans... There was a Voyager episode about this. It went about as well as you could expect.
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Mogomra posted:An entire series of The Sisko going, "Bah humbug!" and then a handful at the end of, "Holy poo poo! Being Space-Jesus is great!" out of nowhere. *Spoilers for people doing a first watch of DS9* Not exactly out of nowhere, middle of season four he started coming to terms with being the Emissary after the prophets dragged that Bajoran poet out of time who took over for a little while and made it clear to him he actually was the Emissary. Then you have Rapture in season five where he has visions, rediscovers a lost Bajoran city and convinces the Bajorans to delay their entry to Starfleet in order to protect them from the Dominion. Just off the top of my head. *End of Spoilers*
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Tighclops posted:I was hoping they got rid of him over there too, but I haven't been following. Yeah he vanished from their staff page within days of the whole thing blowing up. Trickjaw posted:I.... don't think we link or reference that site on here anymore. If you can't stand to visit someplace Aatrek used to be, what are you doing hanging around here?
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Mogomra posted:I feel like this article is the Star Trek equivalent of medical knowledge gained by Nazi scientists experimenting on humans... What if we created a hologram that contained TrekCore information that we could yell at, even as it helped us?
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The other day I got watching a Bible documentary narrated by the Sisko and he was using The Sisko voice (you know not Captain Sisko  but Captain Sisko  ). it was something else
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jng2058 posted:If you can't stand to visit someplace Aatrek used to be, what are you doing hanging around here?  Farmer Crack-rear end posted:ummmmmmm excuse me but did yyou know that
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Dec 17, 2013 04:58
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Mogomra posted:I feel like this article is the Star Trek equivalent of medical knowledge gained by Nazi scientists experimenting on humans... Eh? Pretty sure character development was pretty decent across the board in DS9. The only one that didn't get any real development was the trill. Maybe Garak, too, but he was perfect from day one. 1's solid arcing but that's no contest. You also need to remember it's Trek. Trek doesn't have that much character development to begin with.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Maybe Garak, too, but he was perfect from day one.  bisexual pragmatic morally grey outcast member of a race of space nazis, there isn't any more "up" left for him to go to
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Whoa whoa whoa, what the gently caress, Vagabundo? There's being cheeky, then there's this horrific level of libel. Totally uncalled for, you monstrous prick. Jesus Christ in Heaven. At least I didn't compare him to Cook's captaincy in the current Ashes series.
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jng2058 posted:If you can't stand to visit someplace Aatrek used to be, what are you doing hanging around here? Well it was a joke, but he never got paid here.
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TomR posted:A few days ago I had a chance to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture in HD. I watched this movie about a year ago in SD, so it's not like I hadn't seen it. I was so amazed at what a difference the HD makes. It somehow made the movie much more enjoyable. gently caress yeah. Last time I was in this thread years ago I posted a pic of getting drunk with a friend, wakling into a JB HiFI (shop with stuff) and dropping like $250 on every TOS movie bluray all in sweet covers that line up on my shelf. They are loving incredible to watch.. TMP starts with the prelude. I've crapped on about it before but I'm going to do it again because it's the best. So the lights are out.. your 5.1 is splayed around you (12" powered separate sub specifically for drum and bass AND the BRAAAAGGGHH of a spaceship flying through shot in a scifi movie), 50" plasma (plasma only kids.. LCD/LED can still suck my balls.. colour reproduction matters) and you hit PLAY. Everything is dark.. so dark you can't see your hands in your lap. Then the music starts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4z2Y1y2Ak I'm pretty sure that's it, haven't watched in some years. It's all around you, the mix for 5.1 on the bluray is incredible. I miss my lounge room 
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That short skirt when you first see it is also a holy poo poo moment. Then the first time you make the connection between V'Ger and Voyager. The first fly through of the Enterprise - when you know all anyone knows of it at this point is the hokey effects from the series. Yeah.. it's a special place. I would never watch it on anything less than a suitably epic setup, it just misses the whole point of the production.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think the main problem with Voyager was how they made the Borg very ineffective at dealing with one small starship. That and the whole dynamic between the Queen who wasn't Alice Krige and Janeway/Seven where for whatever reason the Queen kept putting on kid gloves when dealing with the two of them. She never really threw much of anything at Voyager, despite the ship spending a good chunk of the series in close proximity to Borg space, where you would think they could have two Cubes ready to throw at any problem if they felt like it. They neutered the Borg. I think that was the most unforgivable thing about Voyager. What was once a race that had a dark, overbearing fear that no race could ever hope to defeat, became a group of weak, moronic zombies incapable of even the most simple of tasks. Remember that in TNG and DS9 the Borg were practically invincible - they decimated most of the Federation fleet with one cube! So the Voyager writers - seeing ratings plummet - thought "lets introduce the Borg!" I can only presume that after doing so they went "Well poo poo" when they read the history book and found these guys to be pretty loving invincible. So rather than stick to their guns and "Year of Hell" as a series, they proceed to completely and utterly neutralize any threat the Borg had over anyone. That was the unforgivable aspect of Voyager really. I suppose in the end it was to be expected. The writers just didn't want to commit to the idea of a rolling series of a ship dragging itself back home, getting more and more damaged, injured and destroyed the further it traversed through enemy territory. They wanted TNG Lost in Space.
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WMain00 posted:They neutered the Borg. I think that was the most unforgivable thing about Voyager. What was once a race that had a dark, overbearing fear that no race could ever hope to defeat, became a group of weak, moronic zombies incapable of even the most simple of tasks. Remember that in TNG and DS9 the Borg were practically invincible - they decimated most of the Federation fleet with one cube! I think you are giving the writers of Voyager too much credit. Seriously, it's a whole crew of Marry Sues. I am sure that the thought process was more like "Sure the Borg are invincible, but the Voyager crew is so loving awesome that they beat them anyways, and easier than the TNG crew."
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MikeJF posted:Half of TMP is found in a really good soundsystem, I will admit. Presumably the BWWAAAAAAUUUUMMMMMMMMMM half.
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WMain00 posted:[The producers of Voyager] wanted TNG Lost in Space. But with key differences! Instead of the middle-aged, surly Doctor creepily hanging out with a child all the time, it was the chef and he was dating one for a while until she turned four and realized what a loser he was. Then he moved on to
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Someone in my office has a Vidiian action figure hanging up behind her desk in its original packaging. When she found out that I was watching, she pointed out that a coworker of ours actually looks like Neelix (which, actually, he does). She seems so normal most of the time but is, in fact, a Voyager fan and apologist. I'm in the middle of the Year of Hell now, which I guess would be good if it weren't obvious they were going to do a reset (and not only because the thread has told me; they introduce the mechanics for it with the ship outside of time, so it's pretty obvious it's coming). I just want to get back to DS9 so I can get to the Morn episode or the one where they all get to act out of their makeup.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Eh? Pretty sure character development was pretty decent across the board in DS9. The only one that didn't get any real development was the trill. Maybe Garak, too, but he was perfect from day one. I would say Garak definitely got character development. It may not be as pronounced as other characters, since he started off as such an enigma and there were only a few (really great) episodes that focused on him. I'd say he started off as a lonesome exile who no one really wanted to be around. He spends time with Starfleet members and creates a dialogue discussing Cardassian ideals and Federation ideals, but still clearly thinks that Cardassian society is superior. As the series goes along though, he begins to appreciate different (Federation) ideals that when he ultimately (end of series spoilers) returns to ruined Cardassia, he's ready for it to be reborn as something else. His time among the other cultures of the galaxy has shown him that Cardassia deserved what it got and needed to change..
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My favourite running thread of DS9 was the ongoing book exchange between Bashir and Garak. Hearing Garak's interpretation of A Tale of Two Cities and Boy Who Cried Wolf gave such wonderful insights into the Cardassian mindset. I only wish we'd gotten to see more of Bashir interpreting Cardassian works.
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Writer Cath posted:My favourite running thread of DS9 was the ongoing book exchange between Bashir and Garak. Hearing Garak's interpretation of A Tale of Two Cities and Boy Who Cried Wolf gave such wonderful insights into the Cardassian mindset. I only wish we'd gotten to see more of Bashir interpreting Cardassian works. That would've been neat, but probably would've meant much less to the viewer. When Garak gives a Cardassian interpretation of something we're familiar with, it gives us a new perspective on something we've probably taken for granted. If Bashir were to interpret a Cardassian work, all we're getting out of it is another instance of "Cardassian different from Human". It wouldn't resonate with the viewer, since what Bashir is analyzing is not real to us. I know that all Cardassian culture is fake and any assessment that comes from it doesn't hold much real meaning, but at least when the hypothetical culture examines something real in our lives, it will resonate with us. If anything, Bashir should've made a comment about some "ancient" earth text and how Cardassian it seemed to him.
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Hip-Hoptimus Rhyme posted:I would say Garak definitely got character development. It may not be as pronounced as other characters, since he started off as such an enigma and there were only a few (really great) episodes that focused on him. I'd say he started off as a lonesome exile who no one really wanted to be around. He spends time with Starfleet members and creates a dialogue discussing Cardassian ideals and Federation ideals, but still clearly thinks that Cardassian society is superior. As the series goes along though, he begins to appreciate different (Federation) ideals that when he ultimately (end of series spoilers) returns to ruined Cardassia, he's ready for it to be reborn as something else. His time among the other cultures of the galaxy has shown him that Cardassia deserved what it got and needed to change.. He did certainly flesh out the Cardies as a race of space Nazis. A true patriot until the end.
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Garak is among my favorite characters. quote:Dr. Julian Bashir: It's a children's story, about a young shepherd boy who gets lonely while tending his flock. So he cries out to the villagers that a wolf is attacking the sheep. The people come running, but of course there's no wolf. He claims that it's run away and the villagers praise him for his vigilance. Really Bashir should have stopped trying to put his symbiotic worm in Jadzia and realized Elim Garak was his true love. I "ship" those two all day erry day.
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Otisburg posted:I "ship" those two all day erry day.  also 
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Oh whatever don't act like there wasn't a subtext that they should be spooning lovingly.
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Otisburg posted:Really Bashir should have stopped trying to put his symbiotic worm in Jadzia Pretty much every time I see her I feel the symbiosis. I can't blame Bashir. It says in Memory Alpha that Terry Crews said she regreted leaving Trek as her character was so cool, in comparison to the cook or whatever the gently caress she played on Becker. Talk to the hand Terry, you and Tasha Yar.. you doubted Trek owns and you paid with your characters. edit: Terry Farrell. lol where the gently caress did Terry Crews come from.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6rSrFpl-wE \/\/ I know.. my brain is just a muscle that WARANT READY Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Dec 17, 2013 |
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